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[QUOTE=Mister Mets;3724873]Your hostility to the policy does raise the question of what it is that you want. What is the best immigration policy? Should the United States, as a nation, increase incentives to lie when seeking citizenship by offering no penalties for it?[/QUOTE]
We both know it's largely not going to be people who [B]look[/B] like you that have their citizenship revoked, Mets.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the concept; I just realize how it will be enforced and by whom.
Do you practice being oblivious?
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;3724741]Tried and found guilty. Then he can be pardoned. Trump pardoned that sheriff before sentencing. First time for a modern POTUS.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! That's why I got confused...the Sheriff Joe case wasn't didn't reach that stage
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[QUOTE=Mister Mets;3724873]
So, taking citizenship away from people who lied on documentation to obtain citizenship is equivalent to the Nazis?[/QUOTE]
As #30 would say: your words, not mine.
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[URL="https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/new-york-lawsuit-trump-foundation/index.html"]The New York Attorney General is suing the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors: The President, Donald Trump, Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump[/URL]
"persistent illegal conduct"
hasthag: #familycell
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[QUOTE=PaulBullion;3726687][URL="https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/new-york-lawsuit-trump-foundation/index.html"]The New York Attorney General is suing the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors: The President, Donald Trump, Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump[/URL]
"persistent illegal conduct"
hasthag: #familycell[/QUOTE]
One of his cons has came home to roost. This investigation has been ongoing since 2014.
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Trump saluted a North Korean general. [URL="https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1007276670875774977"]Video here. [/URL]
Remember when Obama got into trouble for bowing? At this point, Trump curtsied to despotic sheikhs and saluted the general of a murderous dictatorship.
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[QUOTE=PaulBullion;3726719]Trump saluted a North Korean general. [URL="https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1007276670875774977"]Video here. [/URL]
Remember when Obama got into trouble for bowing? At this point, Trump curtsied to despotic sheikhs and saluted the general of a murderous dictatorship.[/QUOTE]
Presidents in general tend to bump shoulders with foreign tyrants at some point (whether in full view of the public or not). Diplomacy ain’t always easy, so I’m not going to play favorites on this. And besides, isn’t there tons of other crap to scrutinize Trump over anyways (particularly on the domestic side of things)?
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[QUOTE=Ragged Maw;3726782]Presidents in general tend to bump shoulders with foreign tyrants at some point (whether in full view of the public or not). Diplomacy ain’t always easy, so I’m not going to play favorites on this. And besides, isn’t there tons of other crap to scrutinize Trump over anyways?[/QUOTE]
I think it's more directed at past reactions from his propaganda team rather than specifically the man himself.
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Maybe I should go easier on folks here who feel that Hillary was a "flawed candidate" or "had too many problems".
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Lord knows even some of our best media did their best to brainwash people into thinking just that.
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[QUOTE=Ragged Maw;3726782]Presidents in general tend to bump shoulders with foreign tyrants at some point (whether in full view of the public or not). Diplomacy ain’t always easy, so I’m not going to play favorites on this. And besides, isn’t there tons of other crap to scrutinize Trump over anyways (particularly on the domestic side of things)?[/QUOTE]
We are talking about one of easily the top 3 worst human rights abusing governments in the world. One should salute them as little as one would have the Nazis. This is straight from the "DO NOT CONGRATULATE" column.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3726784]I think it's more directed at past reactions from his propaganda team rather than specifically the man himself.[/QUOTE]Still, I can assure you that if you or I became POTUS, there would come a time when we’d have to shake hands and get friendly with “Glorious Leader Kitten-Puncher McChucklefuck” for the sake of shit not hitting the fan on an international scale.
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[QUOTE=Ragged Maw;3726814]Still, I can assure you that if you or I became POTUS, there would come a time when we’d have to shake hands and get friendly with “Glorious Leader Kitten-Puncher McChucklefuck” for the sake of shit not hitting the fan on an international scale.[/QUOTE]
Obama did not salute the Revolutionary Guard in Iran. No president would have done something like that. This is not like sitting down with a despot and be professional because you want him to cooperate on something.
Also, Trump was asked about the human rights abuses committed by Kim, and he basically brushed them off as "ah, he is a tough guy who had to run a country at a young age." Trump does not care if people are monsters. He envies their power and wants to be like them.
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[QUOTE=Ragged Maw;3726814]Still, I can assure you that if you or I became POTUS, there would come a time when we’d have to shake hands and get friendly with “Glorious Leader Kitten-Puncher McChucklefuck” for the sake of shit not hitting the fan on an international scale.[/QUOTE]
Probably, but I wouldn't go out of my way to praise that person after the fact.
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[URL="http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-absorb-new-lesson-cross-president-trump-at-their-peril/ar-AAyBSTs?li=BBnbfcL"]Republicans Absorb New Lesson: Cross President Trump at Their Peril[/URL]
[QUOTE]President Trump wasn’t on the ballot or even stateside for Tuesday’s primary elections in Virginia and South Carolina. But he loomed over both states, just as he has in nearly every nominating contest this year, underscoring how the Republican Party has become the party of Trump and that its politicians cross him at their peril.
As Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina found out the hard way, in his surprise primary defeat, having a conservative voting record is less important than demonstrating total loyalty to Mr. Trump, who now enjoys higher approval ratings in his own party than any modern president except George W. Bush following the attacks of Sept. 11. And in Virginia, a far-right candidate, Corey Stewart, won the Republican Senate nomination after waging an incendiary campaign and portraying himself as a disciple of Mr. Trump.
The president’s transformation of the G.O.P. — its policies, its tone, even the fate of its candidates — has never been so evident. A party that once championed free trade has now largely turned to protectionism under Mr. Trump. Sermons about inclusivity have been replaced with demagogic attacks on immigrants and black athletes. A trust-but-verify approach to foreign policy has given way to a seat-of-the-pants style in which rogue regimes like North Korea are elevated and democratic allies like Canada are belittled.
Mr. Trump’s harsh attacks, including describing the news media as “the country’s biggest enemy” Tuesday, draw muted responses or silence from most Republicans these days. The party’s lawmakers have seen what he can do to their campaigns, having witnessed how Senators Jeff Flake of Arizona and Bob Corker of Tennessee saw their standing with conservative voters plummet after they tangled with him. Neither is seeking re-election.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]That means Republican lawmakers are going to be further bound to Mr. Trump in the midterm elections, less likely to raise doubts about his impulsive policymaking and, perhaps most consequential for a president facing scrutiny by a special counsel, more inclined to refrain from criticizing his personal conduct and use of executive power.
“This will have a further chilling effect,” said Mr. Flake, adding, “If you want to do well in a primary, you’ve got to act accordingly.”
In addition to Mr. Flake, Mr. Trump has helped push Mr. Corker into retirement and played a part in Speaker Paul D. Ryan and 39 other House members leaving Congress, [B]the most House Republicans not to seek re-election for at least 90 years[/B].
Mr. Sanford had voted for much of Mr. Trump’s agenda, but repeatedly lamented what he called the “cult of personality” gripping the party. His opponent, State Representative Katie Arrington, used those critiques against him to great effect, casting the primary as a loyalty test and defeating Mr. Sanford by four percentage points.
A week earlier in Alabama, Representative Martha Roby, who withdrew her support from Mr. Trump in 2016 after the “Access Hollywood” video was released, faced fierce attacks for her disloyalty and will have to compete in a July runoff because she fell short of winning a majority in the primary.
Mr. Sanford’s loss also came on the same night that Mr. Stewart, a local Virginia official who has drawn attention for targeting immigrants and defending the Confederacy, claimed the Senate nomination in what was an unmistakable victory for the sort of racially tinged politics that Mr. Trump embraced in 2016.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In Congress, Senate Republicans will likely not challenge Mr. Trump over trade and tariffs, with leaders blocking a vote Mr. Corker is pushing to require congressional approval for tariffs implemented on national security grounds.
And on the immigration debate, House Republican leaders repelled an effort by moderate party members to force a vote on bipartisan measures to protect young immigrants because the president opposed them. Instead, the House will vote next week on two tougher measures that the White House is helping write to accommodate Mr. Trump.
“We are in a strange place,” said Mr. Corker, who has alternately been one of Mr. Trump’s closest allies and loudest critics. Referring to Republican fealty to Mr. Trump, he added, “[B]It’s becoming a cultish thing[/B].”
To Mr. Trump’s supporters, though, the fealty to Mr. Trump simply reflects the devotion he now enjoys from the party’s grass roots.
“His base is loyal and support is strong, giving him the leverage to move votes — at the ballot box and the legislative chamber,” said Brian O. Walsh, who runs the president’s main super PAC. “[B]There’s room for negotiation, but obstruction will end careers[/B].”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]“The Grand Old Party under Trump is no more,” said Mr. Ramadan, bemoaning the Republican reorientation.
“What principles are we operating on today?” he asked. “Free trade? Family values when we’re taking children from their parents? No taxes when we are putting up tariffs? [B]What are the principles of the Republican Party today? Whatever Trump wants to do when he gets up[/B].”[/QUOTE]
But hey, her emails....!
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[SIZE=1]In both [URL="http://republicinsanity.tumblr.com/post/121524253348/john-mccain"]2015[/URL], [URL="https://republicinsanity.tumblr.com/post/145914364128/john-mccain-2016-update"]2016[/URL], as well as [URL="https://republicinsanity.tumblr.com/post/161811414283/john-mccain-2017-update"]2017[/URL], "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" published profiles of the U.S. Senator from Arizona, John McCain, who is now serving in his sixth term in office. We ran an exhaustive timeline on, doing our best to give the man his due where he could, before we raked him over the coals, going all the way back to his earliest days serving in the House, when he found himself a member of the Keating Five. We covered his prolific flip-flopping on issues, whether changing his mind over the Confederate flag flying on state grounds within 72 hours, or reversing position on same sex marriage on Hardball with Chris Matthews within 11 MINUTES of coming out in favor of it. While those reversals were jaw-dropping in their suddenness, Sen. McCain’s reversal on immigration policy from a would-be reformer in 2006, to his “[I]Fix the Danged Fence[/I]” ad in 2010 make more sense, when you consider he changes positions out of convenience depending on which party looks like they’ll do better in that election year. McCain was pilloried during the 2008 presidential campaign for voting for the Iraq War, which back in 2002, he described the upcoming conflict would be “[I]easy[/I]” (so easy it went on for about a decade and we’re still fighting ISIS there fifteen years later). His hawkish nature knows no bounds, as he spoke in New Hampshire in 2008 about keeping our troops in Iraq for up to a “[I]hundred[/I]” years, and it would be fine because there were “[I]no casualties there[/I]” (when they were approaching four thousand) and he gleefully discussed conflict with Iran by way of singing a parody of the Beach Boys tune “Barbara Ann”. McCain immediately called for the United States to send our armed forces to both Syria, and then Ukraine at the first sign of diplomatic strife within a few months of each other in 2014. Shockingly, McCain voted against banning “[I]enhanced interrogation[/I]” techniques in 2008, as well, in spite of having endured torture himself. He has proven clueless on any number of issues, being stumped by reporters when asked if condoms or other contraceptives could help prevent HIV (which might explain why he joined the rest of the GOP in trying to defund Planned Parenthood in 2015), and declaring the “[I]fundamentals of our economy are strong[/I]” in the midst of the 2008 Wall Street meltdown. In recent years, he has whined about the Obama administration “[I]politicizing the death of Osama bin Laden[/I]” while, simultaneously claiming that the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya was “[I]a worse scandal than Watergate[/I]”. He’s become so bitter that he even voted against the nomination of former Republican senator and fellow Vietnam veteran Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense, calling him an “[I]unimpressive candidate[/I]”, and called President Obama a “[I]lame duck[/I]” with a full year left in his term when it came time to find a new Supreme Court Justice to replace Antonin Scalia. Oh, yeah, he also picked Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008, foisting her upon the American consciousness. That’s something he’ll definitely never live down.
To his credit, McCain himself is one of the Republicans over the past three years twisting themselves in knots over Donald Trump, at one minute reversing his stance on torture (again) to explain why Drumpf’s suggestions on the subject are “disappointing”, but then turning around and telling folks that Trump could be a “capable leader” if elected president. Which is amazing, considering Trump attacked McCain’s reputation as a war hero because “[I]he was captured[/I]”. McCain openly chastised Trump for his attacks upon Khzir and Ghazala Khan, a Gold Star family, adding that Humayan Khan was “[I]an example of American greatness[/I]” and that we are a greater country because of them and after the Access Hollywood footage of Donald Trump bragging about committing sexual assault emerges, Sen. McCain unendorsed Trump for president. McCain joined Lindsey Graham to criticize Donald Trump’s Muslim Travel Ban, calling it “[I]a self-inflicted wound[/I]” in our war on terror and responded to Donald Trump calling the American media “[I]the enemy of the people[/I]”, saying that such talk is “[I]how dictators get started[/I]”. Out of respect for Sen. McCain and his battle with brain cancer, we’re going to lay off and move on and start profiling a different wacky Republican on this date instead. (Current crazy/stupid scoreboard, is now 678-30, since this was established in July 2014.)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=5]Bill Fawell[/SIZE]
Welcome to the 678th original “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profile, where today, we’ll be profiling [B]Bill Fawell[/B], who in November, is [URL="https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois%27_17th_Congressional_District_election,_2018"]the Republican challenger vying to unseat incumbent Democratic Congresswoman Cheri Bustos[/URL], who represents Illinois’ 17th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives. Falwell ran as a Libertarian write-in candidate in 2014, [URL="http://www.saukvalley.com/2017/09/07/galena-man-launches-17th-district-run-against-bustos/axy7r0p/"]earning himself a whopping 16 votes[/URL], and instead decided to give his latest Congressional run as a Republican in September of 2017. His only obstacle in the GOP Primary was [URL="http://www.pjstar.com/news/20180117/galesburgs-mark-kleine-withdraws-from-congressional-race"]Mark Kleine[/URL], who withdrew from the race in January of 2018, leaving Fawell alone to clash with Rep. Bustos in November.
And then… CNN’s K-File did some research about Bill Fawell, and learned interesting details like that [URL="https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/conspiracy-theorist-bill-fawell-running-for-illinois-house-seat.html"]he’s a 9-11 Truther, and that on his blog a few years back, he called on people to boycott watching the Super Bowl because Beyonce would be the halftime show performer, and that she had ties to the Illuminati[/URL].
That should be enough to make him un-electable, but we’ll add he also theorized that former First Lady Michelle Obama was a man, Hillary Clinton campaign operative Tony Podesta wore red shoes, and is therefore a Satanist, and that the Deep State would destroy all of New York City in a false flag operation as justification to go to war. Fawell also has stated his belief that Donald Trump can “[I]restore the Judeo-Christian ethos of Western Civilization to America[/I].” (which is an amazing thought about one of the most immoral people alive), and after CNN reported on all this and asked him for commen, Fawell stood by his theories and added that Taylor Swift also espoused support for the Illuminati in her videos.