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Already looking forward to this. RobinDick. The original DD together again.
This was pretty much a filler issue that could have been done in five pages instead of wasting a full issue.
Pretty disappointing after the previous arc and easily skippable.
[QUOTE=Rise;3884926]This was pretty much a filler issue that could have been done in five pages instead of wasting a full issue.[/QUOTE]So basically like most other issues of Kings run?
That is what I heard too, a filler Nastalgic issue that says nice things about Dick Grayson before the obvious fridging which will be him getting shot in the head. I wish Mark Doyle didn’t get pushed out as editor. EVERY Original Batman & Robin story is a sentimental rehash that doesn’t live up to its in universe message.
Beautiful issue, a glance of humor in a depressed Batman is always welcomed, and if it comes thanks to Nightwing, doubly welcomed. I must admit a certain curiosity over how Brennan Wagner's colors looked before he was changed (in a not polite way) in favor of Moreau, who did a good job anyways. Matt Wagner did a pretty good job, he was just as suited as always for a story that dwells in the past with a look similar to classic stories. The script was heart moving and funny. Recently I read again Batman Year Three and it's interesting to contrast that story with this issue, they both deal with a Bruce who has been hurt and Nightwing as the one who wants to help, but in two different ways, while remaining true to the characters. The flashback depicted a Dick closer to the one in Dark Victory, that showed that he wasn't okay with living in Wayne Manor right away, and it works pretty well in this story, especially thank to the last panel that makes it all come together. It seems the Freeze case isn't done with yet, which I like and expect to see more about
This was....nice...ish? I guess?
I mean, I always love seeing Robin Dick so I had to have this one. It was essentially a contrast story going back and forth between a time when Dick was first brought to the Manor, an angry and difficult child that Bruce was really trying to get through to, and the present day where the tables have turned and Dick is now trying to get through to Bruce through his tough exterior of 'break up' woes. Of course by the end, you guessed it, each one truly appreciates the way the other put up with them and cared, its nice, though even as I write I get the feeling I'm making the comic come off perhaps better than it was. The thought behind it was nice but the execution fell a bit short, coming off as kinda shallow, but its got some sweet moments. An okay filler by any means, especially if you wanna see young DG, but good god that cucumber sandwich 'metaphor' line at the end was [I]sooo lazy/cheesy.[/I]
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(Seeing Dick break the chandelier was pretty cute though, so was the 'committed' line from Bruce :D)[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=DGraysonWorldsGreatestSpy;3885202]I wish Mark Doyle didn’t get pushed out as editor. EVERY Original Batman & Robin story is a sentimental rehash that doesn’t live up to its in universe message.[/QUOTE]
I feel out of the loop, when and why was Doyle pushed out as editor?
[QUOTE=Chubistian;3885239]Beautiful issue, a glance of humor in a depressed Batman is always welcomed, and if it comes thanks to Nightwing, doubly welcomed. I must admit a certain curiosity over how Brennan Wagner's colors looked before he was changed (in a not polite way) in favor of Moreau, who did a good job anyways. Matt Wagner did a pretty good job, he was just as suited as always for a story that dwells in the past with a look similar to classic stories. The script was heart moving and funny. Recently I read again Batman Year Three and it's interesting to contrast that story with this issue, they both deal with a Bruce who has been hurt and Nightwing as the one who wants to help, but in two different ways, while remaining true to the characters. The flashback depicted a Dick closer to the one in Dark Victory, that showed that he wasn't okay with living in Wayne Manor right away, and it works pretty well in this story, especially thank to the last panel that makes it all come together. It seems the Freeze case isn't done with yet, which I like and expect to see more about[/QUOTE]
The fallen chandelier immediately reminded me of Dark Victory. ;)
It's a heartwarming and nostalgic issue. Not as great as Grayson: Futures End,but it's really good.
[QUOTE=RedBird;3885253]I feel out of the loop, when and why was Doyle pushed out as editor?[/QUOTE]
About a year ago by Tom King who wanted Finch to do the proposal instead of the one Doyle picked and Tom won because of the hype he has right now
[QUOTE=DGraysonWorldsGreatestSpy;3885278]About a year ago by Tom King who wanted Finch to do the proposal instead of the one Doyle picked and Tom won because of the hype he has right now[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see, thanks, and damn that harsh for Doyle.
The calm before the storm, but this was sweet.
This was ok. I like reading about Dick and Bruce's father and son relationship. I liked that old status is back to when Bruce fostered Dick has a child. the n52 origin made no sense to me, normally the law would not let you adopt 16 year olds. well except Gotham has a different one. then again it's fiction.
I still have problems on how King writes the dialogues it take away from what could have been a great story. as always great ideas badly executed.
It was forgettable. I understood the sentiment toward it but I don't think the emotional moments really landed too well. It did feel like filler.
Also why did Dick start talking like a valley girl randomly?
[QUOTE=Badou;3885703]It was forgettable. I understood the sentiment toward it but I don't think the emotional moments really landed too well. It did feel like filler.
Also why did Dick start talking like a valley girl randomly?[/QUOTE]
I only skimmed through the book, but there WERE a lot of 'likes' in his speech weren't there?
It was good as an introspect into Dick’s and Bruce’s relationship and I always welcome that, but there is really not a lot more to it.
The art was alright, the transitions really good. I do like that Dick has a longer history as Robin again, the chandelier of course and the cucumber sandwich is pretty nice as well, fits right with the Earl Grey Dick appearently likes to drink.
But as far as more recent stuff goes I'd sooner reread NW vs Hush, The first Raptor arc or even NW#30 to get my fix.
Pretty meh issue, I laughed at the penny joke but otherwise there really wasn't much here. Pure filler.
Given what we know is going to happen I’m not sure it’s fair to call this filler. It’s emotional setup.
This was actually good! There's a lack of the classic BS that you can expect from the title to go straight to the point and create an interesting and appropriate parallel between Bruce and Dick that hits all the right notes.
Solid art as well. Not sure if I should be optimistic about what's coming next though.
I don't know what some of y'all want out of your comics. Must every issue upend the status quo? We know change is coming soon enough for Nightwing and Batman. It's nice to be able to enjoy nice character stories while the seas are calm once in a while. Like, in the grand scheme of things, did the entirety of say Endgame change the Batman mythos more than this story? No. The majority of comics fail to provide lasting status quo changes, so its nice to enjoy character moments every once in a while between bombastic events.
It's a good breather issue and I liked the use of crazy quilt and the condiment king.
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Solid art as well. Not sure if I should be optimistic about what's coming next though.[/QUOTE]
SOME of the art was good. It was literally ALL over the place throughout the book. BUT... this (kind of) made me feel like the old issues of Batman where you had multiple-short stories in each issue. (even though this story took up the entire book).. Im tired of every issue trying to be the next chapter in the "world is ending" storylines that flood damn near every comic these days.. Still though.. IF its a setup or just filler.. They did something a little different and.. I like that.. want to see MORE of that.. Its like Batman 49.. a pullback from the action..which,.. if done correctly.. is a great thing!
Overall.. I liked the book.. (now if they would just return to legacy numbering and revert to the old/original Batman logo and ditch that cheap ass ugly photoshopped texture'd logo.. (and put UPC boxes on the BACK cover for variants) things would really be on the right track.. :)
[QUOTE=kevinbruns;3886980]SOME of the art was good. It was literally ALL over the place throughout the book. BUT... this (kind of) made me feel like the old issues of Batman where you had multiple-short stories in each issue. (even though this story took up the entire book).. Im tired of every issue trying to be the next chapter in the "world is ending" storylines that flood damn near every comic these days.. Still though.. IF its a setup or just filler.. They did something a little different and.. I like that.. want to see MORE of that.. Its like Batman 49.. a pullback from the action..which,.. if done correctly.. is a great thing![/QUOTE]But the problem with Kings run is, that there is to much setup/filler and hardly any story. I mean did we have the last time a normal story in this run or an issue that wasn't ultra slow paced?
[QUOTE=Godlike13;3886080]Given what we know is going to happen I’m not sure it’s fair to call this filler. It’s emotional setup.[/QUOTE]
The wedding story didn't even get a conclusion, so why is King setting up new stuff? The next logical story beat for King's overall arc would be to confront Catwoman and/or Bane, but instead we get a court case and now this issue. In the context of the greater story, they're filler because they don't move it forward.
[QUOTE=blunt_eastwood;3887200]The wedding story didn't even get a conclusion, so why is King setting up new stuff? The next logical story beat for King's overall arc would be to confront Catwoman and/or Bane, but instead we get a court case and now this issue. In the context of the greater story, they're filler because they don't move it forward.[/QUOTE]
This IS a followup to the wedding. Both stories show how Bruce deals with the falling out of the wedding, first by lashing out in anger and then Dick lending out support. Bruce may not be strong enough to confront Catwoman, but he will seek the support of his friends. And he still has no idea that Bane is behind this yet.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;3887204]This IS a followup to the wedding. Both stories show how Bruce deals with the falling out of the wedding, first by lashing out in anger and then Dick lending out support. Bruce may not be strong enough to confront Catwoman, but he will seek the support of his friends. And he still has no idea that Bane is behind this yet.[/QUOTE]
It's not really. Showing Bruce's reaction to what happened should be about one issue's worth of story. The next story beat should, as I said, be about Bruce confronting Catwoman and whatever the next part of Bane's plan is. Either of those should move us closer to the resolution of the story.
Here's an interesting theory someone just posted on reddit regarding the future of King's batman: [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/9dkqb2/theory_on_batman_75_and_catwoman_3/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/9dkqb2/theory_on_batman_75_and_catwoman_3/[/URL]
Well-thought out theory, but I'd hate it. Catwoman having Helena from someone other than Bruce didn't work the first time around. No reason for me to think it would work the next time around. If you're not going to bring Helena Wayne into main continuity as the child of Selina and Bruce, then you don't bring Helena Wayne into the main continuity. You leave her to an alternate Earth be it Earth-2 or another one. Is it possible though? Yeah, I could see it.
[QUOTE=Mateo3000;3887718]Here's an interesting theory someone just posted on reddit regarding the future of King's batman: [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/9dkqb2/theory_on_batman_75_and_catwoman_3/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/9dkqb2/theory_on_batman_75_and_catwoman_3/[/URL][/QUOTE]
That chart is really interesting because it seems to imply a common thread in all of these. The connection to Bane with Batman, Nightwing, and Catwoman is clear, so it makes me wonder if this will hold true for the others on the graphic. We know that Red Hood will be appearing in Batman soon, so it will be easy enough for King to connect Bane there. And it may be possible that Bane is Robin's secret mentor in Teen Titans.
His son working with Bane would actually make for a pretty big gut-punch too.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;3887738]That chart is really interesting because it seems to imply a common thread in all of these. The connection to Bane with Batman, Nightwing, and Catwoman is clear, so it makes me wonder if this will hold true for the others on the graphic.[B] We know that Red Hood will[/B] be appearing in Batman soon, so it will be easy enough for King to connect Bane there. And it may be possible that Bane is Robin's secret mentor in Teen Titans.[/QUOTE]
We do? And how you explain Batgirl? And lol at Bane being Helena's father. Thank God Damian is in the clear.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;3887743]His son working with Bane would actually make for a pretty big gut-punch too.[/QUOTE]
I think Bane will kill Bruce. No time travel, no amnesia, no back breaking. That's the gut punch.
[QUOTE=the illustrious mr. kenway;3886548]It's a good breather issue and I liked the use of crazy quilt and the condiment king.[/QUOTE]The thing with Crazy Quilt was imo odd, origianlly he as a villain that had an extreme hatred for Robin (he blamed him for getting blinded again) so Dick should know who he is and whats is deal is. And wasn't he the guy who reattached Alfred's hand, that he lost in Endgame? So why is he a villain again?
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;3887732]Well-thought out theory, but I'd hate it. Catwoman having Helena from someone other than Bruce didn't work the first time around. No reason for me to think it would work the next time around. If you're not going to bring Helena Wayne into main continuity as the child of Selina and Bruce, then you don't bring Helena Wayne into the main continuity. You leave her to an alternate Earth be it Earth-2 or another one. Is it possible though? Yeah, I could see it.[/QUOTE]
My mind would be blown if this theory came true in King's Batman run but I wouldn't put it past King to get this crazy considering he has claimed that he's taking Batman places he's never been before and that this is a wholly unique story. What I found really interesting about this theory was their point on why Selina fled to Villa Hermosa of all places. That wasn't just random, there's definitely a reason why Selina returned there and we all know it's not just a coincidence.
[QUOTE=Armor of God;3887837]We do? And how you explain Batgirl? And lol at Bane being Helena's father. Thank God Damian is in the clear.[/QUOTE]
Yea thankfully Damian is in the clear. Bane being Helena's father would blow my mind. We'll find out next week which of Selina's family members is showing up but if it's Helena I might have to take this theory more seriously.
I think making Helena Bane's daughter would be absolutely ridiculous and I see no merit in the theory whatsoever. If it does happen then it'll be down to King doing what King wants for shock value.
This reminded how much I liked Dick Grayson as Robin and how I miss it.
I want more of this. Bruce and Dick.
I haven't enjoyed a BATMAN issue this much in quite a long time.
The fact that I'm hoping King doesn't do what this theory says already says something man.
I wonder what kind of coloring they were going for before it's replaced, but seeing the pages I feel like the line art will fit Robin Year One coloring better than the modern/digital/in-house look. Flat shading, maybe yellowish or sephia tone, old-school type of coloring.
The feeling I get now is like how they recolor Neal Adam's work in digital. Adams old school lineart doesn't really gel with the digital soft shading, and that's what this issue looks like to me.
Good, if not classic, issue. Would have been more interesting had there been an actual conflict and resolution rather than a bunch of reminiscing interspersed by punching of lame bad guys. But the overall message that Dick Grayson and Bruce Wayne have a very close bond was a good one. Alfred looked a little jealous to me.