In one of the fan arts Iīve posted, people have been talking about how thereīs few black guys and white girls romance, and how it always (or almost always) it ends bad for any reasons, and Iīm wondering: how many black guys and white women relationship there is it in DC? There is an iconic one, as Marvel has like Jessica Jones with Luke Cage or Carol Danvers with James Rhodes?
I guess that not that many. From the top of my head we had Power Girl and Mr Terrific at the start of the New 52, an "almost happened" between Wallace and Raven, the JL cartoon had Green LAntern (John Stewart) and HawkWoman and, if we count WildStorm, there's Jackson King and Cristine Trelane.
Maybe there are a few more, but I don't recall right now.
Bronze Tiger and Gypsy
Why does it matter?
The closest one to being "iconic" is Green Lantern and Hawkgirl, but that's from the JL cartoon and the comics won't let that happen ;)
There aren't any iconic ones in the actual comic books.
If Ric Grayson continues for another year or so you could prob add Ric and Bea into that.
[QUOTE=Darkcrusade25;4616845]If Ric Grayson continues for another year or so you could prob add Ric and Bea into that.[/QUOTE]
o__O
Did they turn Dick Grayson into a black guy!? I don't keep up with the character, but I know his fans have been complaining a lot about what DC has done with him lately.
A recent Rucka re-read at least reminded me of Mister Terrific and Sasha Bordeaux. If he goes near either of those characters you could probably expect to see that revisited, but they don't appear to be an item anymore. (If they even remember working together in this continuity).
Steel and Lana Lang I presume are still an item. Luke Fox recently dated Batgirl, but it was brief and didn't get serious. He was also dating a Russian girl I can't recall the name of. Duke Thomas, Signal, is ... still dating Izzy Izquierdo (a Latina girl) in his stories but has this Gotham Girl thing going on in the King Batman books, maybe? And it's way toxic and probably not a great example since it's like 16 years ago and super-villains, but Aqualad's parents are Black Manta and Mera's sister from Xebel, Siren.
Killer Croc was recently pretty serious in a relationship with June Moone, the Enchantress. Diggle and Lyla are pretty great on Arrow.
Why it doesnīt?
Trevor Barnes and Diana, though it only lasted for a short while until his heroic sacrifice.
[QUOTE=TheManhunterfromMars;4616856]Why it doesnīt?[/QUOTE]
Not that it doesn't, but you seem very focused on interracial relationships more than anything else. And now I'm curious why you are focusing on black men and white women in particular. It's kinda specific. Your fan art threads were about black men with white and asian women and now this. I am genuinely curious to know why you seem fixated on this.
[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4616933]Not that it doesn't, but you seem very focused on interracial relationships more than anything else. And now I'm curious why you are focusing on black men and white women in particular. It's kinda specific. Your fan art threads were about black men with white and asian women and now this. I am genuinely curious to know why you seem fixated on this.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, like myself, he/she has a black father and white mother, or maybe is a black guy who fancies a white lady, and wants to know if there are examples of representation.
The situation is sort of taboo, specially in American Media. The very fact that it's so rare is indicative of that.
Well, King teased a Duke Thomas/Gotham-Girl pairing early on, but it went nowhere in his run and, quite frankly, Gotham-Girl has devolved in such an atrocious character that I don't want Duke anywhere close to her (Duke or any other character, really. That poor girl's best fate is death followed by Limbo, in that order).
Now, Duke is with a Latina (Isabella Ortiz, if I remember her name right) so it's definitively interracial and Black Guy/Latina Gal, but I don't know if it counts here.
[QUOTE=Vampire Savior;4616849]o__O
Did they turn Dick Grayson into a black guy!? I don't keep up with the character, but I know his fans have been complaining a lot about what DC has done with him lately.[/QUOTE]
They gave him a black girlfriend.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;4616854] And it's way toxic and probably not a great example since it's like 16 years ago and super-villains, but Aqualad's parents are Black Manta and Mera's sister from Xebel, Siren.
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If I'm not mistaken, Manta had his son with a Black Xebelian, now.
DC is not a place to look for relationships right now. The current regime doesn't like them, even the historically strong ones.
That said, currently I can't think of any and while yes they don't work out, it's not just that specific pairing. Generally, superhero relationships go on for a while then die until someone gets nostalgic. Clark and Lois are me the exception than rule.
For Mr. Terrific specifically, I don't know that he's built to have one. Other than being the third smartest man and tech, he's a widower and atheist. That's it. I'm oversimplifying, but he has no rogues or supporting cast of his own so developing him in a relationship actually ends up making him more generic because he loses an element and gains very little. Sasha was a good direction if I recall because she was a natural fit in his universe (over on Checkmate), their skillets put them in places where he could shine, and he could grow.
He's doing well over in the Terrifics and I'm hoping he's coming back to the JSA as well, but I don't know if a relationship will ever work with him.
Power Girl is a common factor between Val and Michael but both times it seemed like they had no idea what to do with either and nobody was well served. The PG characterization most tend to respond to is the sassy lady who takes no shit, and stoic doesn't pair well with that, so perhaps that's why these failed outside poor execution. I imagine she needs a more dynamic love interest. They usually try to hook her up with more series heroes, maybe someone more upbeat would land. I don't know.
Watch Justice League for DC's best relationship of that nature, but speaking frankly, superhero comics are a bad place to see relationships work out. Even the evergreen ones (Ollie/Dinah, Arthur/Mera) get separated all the time. Hell, even Lois and Clark do from time to time.
Steel and Lana Lang are the only interracial couple I can think of, we haven't seen them since Bendis took over.
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;4616993]Steel and Lana Lang are the only interracial couple I can think of, we haven't seen them since Bendis took over.[/QUOTE]
Even before that. They only appeared in Superwoman and that book was gutted by Superman Reborn and cancelled soon after. I don't think they even appeared anywhere after that, save Metal for Steele.
But so far, it seems that New 52 Lana Lang has simply ceased to exist, with everything great from that era.
[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4616933]Not that it doesn't, but you seem very focused on interracial relationships more than anything else. And now I'm curious why you are focusing on black men and white women in particular. It's kinda specific. Your fan art threads were about black men with white and asian women and now this. I am genuinely curious to know why you seem fixated on this.[/QUOTE]
Why should they have to justify that, though? I think the thing to think about is if they were drawing all white characters in those situations, would you have said anything like this? A black man gets in the mix, and all of a sudden, it's like, "Explain yourself!" As if they should be ashamed of it, or keep it on the down low, or something.
Just food for thought.
Personally, I think it's cool that they're drawing at all, and interracial superhero pairings are as valid an inspiration as any, and something that people who like that stuff/relate to it in some way probably don't see/get enough of.
[QUOTE=Vampire Savior;4617151]....[/QUOTE]
No need to make him appear like a "racist"
He didn't tell him to "justify" his reasons, he simply asked him why so fixed on this. OP can either answer or not because no one is forcing him here.
I think it looks cool and normal white pairings are too mainstream (I donīt hate it, I like it too, I wasnīt always into interracial matters) there isnīt much science about this "fixated" thing. Itīs a fetish, or personal taste if you prefer it, for example: guy likes brunnetes women, his other friends prefer redheads, his best friend prefer blondes, a girl like martial arts but his brother prefers geek stuff. There isnīt always a reason to everything, some times things just are random.
Fetishes turn people into objects.
[QUOTE=Korath;4616961]If I'm not mistaken, Manta had his son with a Black Xebelian, now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, both are black in Rebirth
So before that, it's with Siren huh? Villain pairing. I kinda like it. That's kinda rare too, isn't it? Was it good or bad?
[QUOTE=Vampire Savior;4617151]Why should they have to justify that, though? I think the thing to think about is if they were drawing all white characters in those situations, would you have said anything like this? A black man gets in the mix, and all of a sudden, it's like, "Explain yourself!" As if they should be ashamed of it, or keep it on the down low, or something.
Just food for thought.
Personally, I think it's cool that they're drawing at all, and interracial superhero pairings are as valid an inspiration as any, and something that people who like that stuff/relate to it in some way probably don't see/get enough of.[/QUOTE]
No need to get defensive. Firstly, s/he's posted a bunch of them recently. Nothing wrong with it, but the OP specifically draws attention to their race - not just that these are couples s/he would like to see. (if someone posted a bunch of threads titled, "white couples I'd like to see", wouldn't that jump out at you a little? It would to me) There's nothing shameful about it and and I don't need him/her to "justify" anything. As I said, I was genuinely curious about his/her emphasis on race.
[QUOTE=TheManhunterfromMars;4617275]I think it looks cool and normal white pairings are too mainstream (I donīt hate it, I like it too, I wasnīt always into interracial matters) there isnīt much science about this "fixated" thing. Itīs a fetish, or personal taste if you prefer it, for example: guy likes brunnetes women, his other friends prefer redheads, his best friend prefer blondes, a girl like martial arts but his brother prefers geek stuff. There isnīt always a reason to everything, some times things just are random.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for responding. Cool - I appreciate it. I am glad you didn't take offense at the question.
maybe check out a porn site besides comic books?? I don't remember being so fascinated with skin color when I was growing up. People were just people.
Yeah, the whole "people were just people" never happened in our lifetimes.
It may seem that it did for those allowed to be just people - and nothing wrong with that, at all - but it was never not even a little tiny bit real.
[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4618487]No need to get defensive. Firstly, s/he's posted a bunch of them recently. Nothing wrong with it, but the OP specifically draws attention to their race - not just that these are couples s/he would like to see. (if someone posted a bunch of threads titled, "white couples I'd like to see", wouldn't that jump out at you a little? It would to me) There's nothing shameful about it and and I need him/her to "justify" anything. As I said, I was genuinely curious about his/her emphasis on race.
Thank you for responding. Cool - I appreciate it. I am glad you didn't take offense at the question.[/QUOTE]
I am not being defensive. If you're taking it that way, you're putting some inflection on my comment yourself.
The emphasis on race is clearly due to their preference being something that is not totally normalized or especially very common in comics. White relationships are normal and common in superhero comics, and have been for 80 or so years. There is no need to specify them. They're the norm, unless you get into something more specific like white gay relationships.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4617449]Yeah, both are black in Rebirth
So before that, it's with Siren huh? Villain pairing. I kinda like it. That's kinda rare too, isn't it? Was it good or bad?[/QUOTE]
Siren wasn't Jackson's mother pre-Flashpoint. In the Young Justice animated series, Kaldur's mother is white (this idea was apparently in place before Kaldur was integrated into the comics) but she isn't Hila.
Dawn Allen and Jeven Ognats...