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[QUOTE=The Darknight Detective;4264069]Two things, though: 1) the average person outside of our hobby is not really that familiar with Nightwing and 2) there's a difference between being an iconic superhero than an iconic sidekick. :)[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the first one, though. Yes, non-comics readers are unaware of Nightwing by-and-large, but it still doesn't explain why DC can move beyond that iconic status in the comics. for Dick but not Bruce. If the argument is that Bruce is iconic in large part because Joe Average knows Bruce Wayne and Batman, then the same applies to Grayson and Robin. If the argument is that the general public not knowing about Nightwing or the other the other Robins makes them associating Grayson with Robin a non-issue, then why would making Grayson (or Todd/Drake/Azrael/etc) Batman be any different?
As it stands now the general concept of both Dick Grayson and Robin is different for comic readers and the general public. It could be the same for any hero. The comics could phase out Bruce, Clark, Diana, etc and slowly introduce these new concepts in other media.
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[QUOTE=Jon Clark;4264103]I don't know about the first one, though. Yes, non-comics readers are unaware of Nightwing by-and-large, but it still doesn't explain why DC can move beyond that iconic status in the comics. for Dick but not Bruce.[/quote]
Because Dick was given a promotion, while Bruce would be sidelined. Simple as that.
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DC allowed Vic Sage, Morpheus and Jack Knight story to end because they respected the writers involved and their wishes regarding to character.
Doomsday Clock like the Watchmen Prequel is pretty much a middle finger to Alan Moore since all the Watchmen characters got the Jack Knight treatment until relatively recently.
Jack Kirby was one of the hardest acts in the industry to follow and yet DC keeps trying with 4th World.
So even if DC made such a policy, they'd never adhere to it. Management can always change its mind and all bets
would be off.
The argument for stories to end is actually a ownership issue.
Since, if Denny O'Neil owned the classic Azreal he could have made sure that DC never brought him back if he didn't want it to happen.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;4264356]DC allowed Vic Sage, Morpheus and Jack Knight story to end because they respected the writers involved and their wishes regarding to character.
Doomsday Clock like the Watchmen Prequel is pretty much a middle finger to Alan Moore since all the Watchmen characters got the Jack Knight treatment until relatively recently.
Jack Kirby was one of the hardest acts in the industry to follow and yet DC keeps trying with 4th World.
So even if DC made such a policy, they'd never adhere to it. Management can always change its mind and all bets
would be off.
The argument for stories to end is actually a ownership issue.
Since, if Denny O'Neil owned the classic Azreal he could have made sure that DC never brought him back if he didn't want it to happen.[/QUOTE]
I get your point, but just because the odds are unlikely doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. History favors the bold.
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[QUOTE=Timothy Hunter;4264975]I get your point, but just because the odds are unlikely doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. History favors the bold.[/QUOTE]
But comic book history favors the Brave and the Bold.
