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[QUOTE=Steel Inquisitor;4851207]The objection was that they wanted Sanders to [COLOR="#0000CD"]die[/COLOR], Knight, not retire. We know he's a 80 year old man who's had heart attack, that's not enough to question his health? What do you think Sanders is going to all day in the White House?
This conversation definitely has confirmed many things people have suspected, just not what you're assuming.
Your candidate is on a roll winning states, why aren't you happy? If I didn't know the context I'd have thought Sanders was losing badly from these reactions to the primaries.[/QUOTE]
Here’s just the reality. You are either getting Sanders in his 70’s, Biden in his 70’s, Bloomberg in his 70’s or Warren in his 70’s and they will face Trump in his 70’s. Let’s be real, his health was brought up by then because they want him gone. There isn’t some altruistic motive.
Oh and I’m having a blast. It’s really funny watching the people who I always knew were going to act this way, in fact lose their veil of civility at the smallest amount resistance. It’s no secret the anti Sanders propaganda on this thread amplified once he started leading.
If this happened when Hillary was running, people would have ran them off the board
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[URL="https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-election-mischief-by-florida-republicans-20200221-btw42xcy2vbdtpnfoz4qz7vf2i-story.html"]Florida Republicans quietly stir up more election mischief | Steve Bousquet[/URL]
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They can’t help themselves.
Republicans in Tallahassee have an insatiable desire to tamper with Florida election laws — especially when President Trump is desperate to win the nation’s largest swing state again. An elections bill moving through the Senate has received almost no attention, which is the way lawmakers like it.
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Senate Bill 1372 makes some housekeeping changes that election supervisors want. But then it goes beyond what they requested by allowing political parties to assign poll watchers to monitor voting at the polls, no matter where they live in Florida. Current law restricts poll watchers to the county where they vote.
This is an obvious attempt to make it easier to recruit a lot more poll watchers — many of them lawyers — who can legally challenge any voter’s eligibility to cast a ballot.
“We want to make sure that attorneys and other people within the state of Florida can be poll watchers in different jurisdictions, to ensure that the process be done in a fair and transparent manner,” the bill sponsor, Sen. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, told the Sun Sentinel. “Especially recognizing you have small counties. For both parties, this is a very important election.”
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With Sanders' rise, betting markets are giving better odds to Republicans winning a second term in the White House.
[QUOTE=Billy Batson;4851303][B][I]They omitted "contested primary"[/I][/B][/QUOTE] The 2000 and 2004 Democratic primaries were contested.
Gore faced former Senator Bill Bradley.
Kerry faced Senator Edwards, House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, Governor Howard Dean, General Wesley Clark and the mighty Dennis Kucinich.
[QUOTE=Theleviathan;4851309]The point you bring up is a legitimate concern going forward. A Bernie nomination over, say, Biden WILL cause a portion of the electorate to push to not vote or vote Trump. The key for Sanders is driving out other voters to replace/exceed that exodus. Nevada had good numbers on that front but still worrisome.[/QUOTE]It is a big gamble for Democrats.
It's possible Sanders will do well persuading voters who are otherwise not active (or might have even become active for Trump.)
It's also possible he'll scare away most voters close to the center.
[QUOTE=PwrdOn;4851355]Bruh, this is desperate. Republicans always win the turnout game, the point is not to try and depress their turnout by running an uninspiring moderate simp, but to boost turnout on our side.[/QUOTE]
Last time, three percent of voters went for a libertarian ticket headed by two former Republican Governors. If enough of them go for Trump, that makes the election much tougher for Democrats.
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[QUOTE]The President of the United States just shared a video from a supporter about his upcoming visit to India that shows him slaughtering a bunch of brown people.
Happy Saturday![/QUOTE] [URL="https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1231356953101848577?s=20"]Twitter Link and Video[/URL]
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[QUOTE=SquirrelMan;4851278]I wish people weren't as gullible. Facebook is a huge problem.[/QUOTE]
That is not why Sanders is popular:
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/23/bernie-sanders-is-the-front-runner-because-of-how-we-raised-our-kids.html[/url]
Sanders is popular because the Third Way has failed to counter Republican extremism and allowed a decayed status quo to remain that has left a lot of people behind.
The problem with Anti Sanders people is they are usually against something rather than for something.
They want Not Trump and Not Sanders, but you bring up flaws of someone Biden or Buttiege, they just seem to shrug. Warren is the only option I like outside of Bernie and she is far behind at the moment.
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Personally I was more on Warren's side, though I'd be happy if a Democratic candidate can pull away from the pack and gain real momentum going into the general. If that's Bernie, I'll happily vote for him and hope he can bring a good turnout.
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[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage"]Trump’s Efforts to Remove the Disloyal Heightens Unease Across His Administration[/URL]
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON — In some of the most critical corners of the Trump administration, officials show up for work now never entirely sure who will be there by the end of the evening — themselves included.
Even for an administration that has been a revolving door since Day 1, this has become a season of turmoil. At a moment when first-term presidents are typically seeking a stable team to focus on their re-election, President Trump has embarked on a systematic attempt to sweep out officials perceived to be disloyal.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.
And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tazirai;4850797]He WON all three states in the beginning of this Primary. IOWA is still not called. After some numbers-crunching he's only .8 SDES behind boot edgedge.
He won every popular vote so far, but a good chunk of voters. So I have no clue what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
He won every one of these with a plurality of the vote. Before Nevada, he was averaging 26%, hardly a strong position. Yes, he is gaining traction, but all it would take for Sanders' to be in second place in upcoming Primaries is for a couple of moderates to drop out of the race and have their supporters to switch to another moderate candidate.
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With Bernie in the lead at the moment, perhaps the Anti Bernie people will have to make a choice:
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-isnt-the-lefts-trump.amp.html[/url]
What is more important to you? Not Trump or Not Bernie?
[QUOTE=4saken1;4851493]He won every one of these with a plurality of the vote. Yes, he is gaining traction, but all it would take for Sanders' to be in second place in upcoming Primaries is for a couple of moderates to drop out of the race and have their supporters to switch to another moderate candidate.[/QUOTE]
Except none of them are dropping out yet. The problem is there is a lane with 2 people in it and lane with everyone else. That is how Trump won his primary, everyone else stayed in too long and he came up the middle.
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[QUOTE=Tendrin;4851242]There was a net two seat gain for the Democrats. [B]Trump is, after all, uniquely repulsive.[/B] So, yeah. Your argument doesn't hold when moderates lead the gains in 2016, and in 2018 to boot. XD
Please don't mistake this for a love of American moderates. It's not.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I can believe that anymore. Not after seeing all the people who've oozed out of the woodwork to join his administration.
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[QUOTE=4saken1;4851493]He won every one of these with a plurality of the vote. Yes, he is gaining traction, but all it would take for Sanders' to be in second place in upcoming Primaries is for a couple of moderates to drop out of the race and have their supporters to switch to another moderate candidate.[/QUOTE]
[B][I]With many "moderate" voters Bernie is often the second or third choice.[/I][/B]
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[QUOTE=PaulBullion;4851050]With 50% of precincts reporting, the only thing that can save us now is that both Trump and Sanders are in failing health. Which will give out first: Trump's remaining brain tissue, or Sanders' remaining cardiac tissue?
What a dark time to be alive.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't worry about it. Trump doesn't need a functioning brain to continue being Trump.
And there's a Weekend at Bernie's joke in there that I just decided I don't want to make *shrug*
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[QUOTE=4saken1;4851493]He won every one of these with a plurality of the vote. Before Nevada, he was averaging 26%, hardly a strong position. Yes, he is gaining traction, but all it would take for Sanders' to be in second place in upcoming Primaries is for a couple of moderates to drop out of the race and have their supporters to switch to another moderate candidate.[/QUOTE]
Reminder: Sanders lost Iowa to Buttigieg. He did NOT win all three, his supporters are using a meter that is not part of the caucus rules to pretend he won Iowa.
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[QUOTE=PaulBullion;4851504]Reminder: Sanders lost Iowa to Buttigieg. He did NOT win all three, his supporters are using a meter that is not part of the caucus rules to pretend he won Iowa.[/QUOTE]
He lost that one by a slim margin and won the other 2. At this point who has better momentum than Bernie?