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Dark Phoenix
Since there is a Gifted thread in this section.
[quote]In DARK PHOENIX, the X-MEN face their most formidable and powerful foe: one of their own, Jean Grey. During a rescue mission in space, Jean is nearly killed when she is hit by a mysterious cosmic force. Once she returns home, this force not only makes her infinitely more powerful, but far more unstable. Wrestling with this entity inside her, Jean unleashes her powers in ways she can neither comprehend nor contain. With Jean spiraling out of control, and hurting the ones she loves most, she begins to unravel the very fabric that holds the X-Men together. Now, with this family falling apart, they must find a way to unite -- not only to save Jean's soul, but to save our very planet from aliens who wish to weaponize this force and rule the galaxy.[/quote]
Story sounds like an amalgamation of the two Phoenix stories in Claremont’s run. And after rereading the Phoenix arc I think I know who Jessica Chastain’s character is.
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I think what has been shown to us so far, it does look DP is mirroring X-3, although I Hope not. There may be some parrallels, but I want them to be very minor and portrayed differently. I am looking for a new film, a new, better, accurate one based on the comic story this time!
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I'm guessing that the Jessica Chastain character (Lilandra? Cassandra Nova?) plays a role similar to Mastermind in the original storyline; not so much the creating weird illusions (something the films already did with X2 anyway), but twisting Jean's mind somehow.
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[QUOTE=ChrisIII;3963774]I'm guessing that the Jessica Chastain character (Lilandra? Cassandra Nova?) plays a role similar to Mastermind in the original storyline; not so much the creating weird illusions (something the films already did with X2 anyway), but twisting Jean's mind somehow.[/QUOTE]
Rumors say that she is a gray skrull-like shapeshifter. There is actually a character like that in the first Phoenix arc who was part of the Imperial Guard.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobgoblin_(Imperial_Guard)[/url]
So I’m guessing that Jessica’s character is someone D’Ken set to manipulate Jean to use to his own ends. Basically it’s the Phoenix Saga but they replaced the M'Kraan Crystal with the Phoenix Force as the macguffin.
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Maybe Chastain is the Skrull Empress? She was shown in the DP Saga.
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;3965350]Maybe Chastain is the Skrull Empress? She was shown in the DP Saga.[/QUOTE]
Doubt it. A Chameleoid seems more likely at this point.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3963785]Rumors say that she is a gray skrull-like shapeshifter. There is actually a character like that in the first Phoenix arc who was part of the Imperial Guard.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobgoblin_(Imperial_Guard)[/url]
So I’m guessing that Jessica’s character is someone D’Ken set to manipulate Jean to use to his own ends. Basically it’s the Phoenix Saga but they replaced the M'Kraan Crystal with the Phoenix Force as the macguffin.[/QUOTE]
Just a point of clarification that neither of those things are mcguffins
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;3968803]Just a point of clarification that neither of those things are mcguffins[/QUOTE]
Seems to fit the definition of a macguffin.
[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MacGuffin[/url]
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3968813]Seems to fit the definition of a macguffin.
[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MacGuffin[/url][/QUOTE]
No because those things serve a purpose. The briefcase in Ronin was a mcguffin.
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alexandra Shipp behind scene
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/Y0YccBHx/Storm.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;3968858]No because those things serve a purpose. The briefcase in Ronin was a mcguffin.[/QUOTE]
Never seen Ronin but the filmmakers of Days of Future Past labeled Mystique as a macguffin.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3974430]Never seen Ronin but the filmmakers of Days of Future Past labeled Mystique as a macguffin.[/QUOTE]
In Ronin the entire plot was driven by several groups wanting a briefcase and its contents. We never knew what was in the case or why it was desired, or how anyone would gain from it. No plot point was resolved by taking possession of it, and none was unresolved by not having possession of it. It was a thing that served absolutely no purpose except to drive the story.
That's the definition of a mcguffin.
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;3974579]In Ronin the entire plot was driven by several groups wanting a briefcase and its contents. We never knew what was in the case or why it was desired, or how anyone would gain from it. No plot point was resolved by taking possession of it, and none was unresolved by not having possession of it. It was a thing that served absolutely no purpose except to drive the story.
That's the definition of a mcguffin.[/QUOTE]
Two other notable examples are the briefcase from Pulp Fiction and the Maltese Falcon.
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Plot Twist: Dark Phoenix is Pennywise in disguise.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LNXeqkA.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3977276]Plot Twist: Dark Phoenix is Pennywise in disguise.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LNXeqkA.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I don't really get the joke ya the lighting is kinda the same but other than that nothing......
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[QUOTE=choptop;3977438]I don't really get the joke ya the lighting is kinda the same but other than that nothing......[/QUOTE]
Both have glowing yellow eyes in addition to the lighting.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3977458]Both have glowing yellow eyes in addition to the lighting.[/QUOTE]
Still I don't see a lot in common.
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I seriously doubt this is true, but it kept popping up yesterday: [URL="https://screenrant.com/dark-phoenix-disney-x-men-movie/"]Dark Phoenix Could Be Disney's First X-Men Movie[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MaddieGrey;3977887]I seriously doubt this is true, but it kept popping up yesterday: [URL="https://screenrant.com/dark-phoenix-disney-x-men-movie/"]Dark Phoenix Could Be Disney's First X-Men Movie[/URL][/QUOTE]
They are speaking technically. Dark Phoenix could be the first X-Men movie [I]released under Disney[/I]. Not the first X-Men movie [i]made by them[/i].
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[QUOTE=SpiderClops;3977893]They are speaking technically. Dark Phoenix could be the first X-Men movie [I]released under Disney[/I]. Not the first X-Men movie [i]made by them[/i].[/QUOTE]
I get that. I was more skeptical of the [theatrical] release part under Disney, especially if headlines will read 'Disney's First X-men Movie'. I'm being cynical, sorry.
edit: How do I post this as a video instead of a url?
[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1053383797385904128[/url]
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[QUOTE=MaddieGrey;3977931]I get that. I was more skeptical of the [theatrical] release part under Disney, especially if headlines will read 'Disney's First X-men Movie'. I'm being cynical, sorry.
edit: How do I post this as a video instead of a url?
[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1053383797385904128[/url][/QUOTE]
I don’t see why they would do that. It’s guaranteed to make hundreds of millions at the Box Office.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3977969]I don’t see why they would do that. It’s guaranteed to make hundreds of millions at the Box Office.[/QUOTE]
If they want to quietly end the Fox made X-Properties films they could sell it for streaming on Netflix for a guarantee profit like Paramount did with Annihilation or WB with Mowgli. Or they could use Dark Phoenix since PG-13 as an incentive film for Disney Streaming.
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[QUOTE=MaddieGrey;3977931]I get that. I was more skeptical of the [theatrical] release part under Disney, especially if headlines will read 'Disney's First X-men Movie'. I'm being cynical, sorry.
edit: How do I post this as a video instead of a url?
[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1053383797385904128[/url][/QUOTE]
See that film symbol when posting? Click on that, copy paste url.
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[QUOTE=SpiderClops;3977989]See that film symbol when posting? Click on that, copy paste url.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I tried that first and it didn't work.
[video]https://twitter.com/i/status/1053383797385904128[/video]
There's probably a way to fix this...
[video=youtube;X6HHmSN5hvE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HHmSN5hvE&list=WL&t=0s&index=5[/video]
[QUOTE=The Shape;3977969]I don’t see why they would do that. It’s guaranteed to make hundreds of millions at the Box Office.[/QUOTE]
I can see this falling victim to a cost-risk analysis by Disney, ie will it cost them more to shevel it on streaming and lose movie revenue? Or Would it hurt the brand to send products to theatres that they didn't create, lose the First Disney X-headline, possibly delay IP integration and lose an opportunity to advance their streaming service?
Time will tell, but I want to see this on the big screen:
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[quote]And when she lets go with what we call Dark Phoenix, it’s a release for her. She finally stops and lets go and [B]is euphoric[/B] and she becomes what this cosmic force wants her to be.[/quote]
[url]https://www.newsweek.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-sophie-turner-nycc-2018-1156848[/url]
Glad they are making the Phoenix Force like an ecstacy drug, as Claremont depicted it.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iF9tR5a.jpg[/IMG]
Which Sophie knows all about in real life. So this role might be perfect for her. lol
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3978632][url]https://www.newsweek.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-sophie-turner-nycc-2018-1156848[/url]
Glad they are making the Phoenix Force like an ecstacy drug, as Claremont depicted it.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iF9tR5a.jpg[/IMG]
Which Sophie knows all about in real life. So this role might be perfect for her. lol[/QUOTE]
I love, love, love how Jean as Phoenix was depicted in that above pic/book!! Really wild, long hair, white eyes, red complexion and energy aura around her.
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I still want to see some really intense battles against villain teams.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3978632][url]https://www.newsweek.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-sophie-turner-nycc-2018-1156848[/url]
Glad they are making the Phoenix Force like an ecstacy drug, as Claremont depicted it.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iF9tR5a.jpg[/IMG]
Which Sophie knows all about in real life. So this role might be perfect for her. lol[/QUOTE]
LOL. She certainly seems to be really happy she got the role. I think it's really important for an actor to like the character that they're playing.
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I can see this falling victim to a cost-risk analysis by Disney, ie will it cost them more to shevel it on streaming and lose movie revenue? Or Would it hurt the brand to send products to theatres that they didn't create, lose the First Disney X-headline, possibly delay IP integration and lose an opportunity to advance their streaming service?
Time will tell, but I want to see this on the big screen:
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This just came up about the Fox films under Disney.
[quote]Disney only released eight films last year, whereas Fox released fourteen. The latter’s output has already begun winding down but it’s not yet clear how many films from the various Fox brands Disney will release theatrically going forward beyond sure bets like the new “Avatar” and “Kingsman” sequels along with [B]“X-Men” and “Deadpool” properties which will be output via Marvel Studios.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-fox-begin-shuffling-their-slates/[/url]
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;3978995]LOL. She certainly seems to be really happy she got the role. I think it's really important for an actor to like the character that they're playing.[/QUOTE]
Probably founds Jean relatable.
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[QUOTE=MaddieGrey;3977887]I seriously doubt this is true, but it kept popping up yesterday: [URL="https://screenrant.com/dark-phoenix-disney-x-men-movie/"]Dark Phoenix Could Be Disney's First X-Men Movie[/URL][/QUOTE]
I saw that too, but I don't think it really changes anything. It might just be a technicality because the movie will likely come out after the Disney/Fox merger is finalized.
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[QUOTE=MaddieGrey;3978168]I can see this falling victim to a cost-risk analysis by Disney, ie will it cost them more to shevel it on streaming and lose movie revenue? Or Would it hurt the brand to send products to theatres that they didn't create, lose the First Disney X-headline, possibly delay IP integration and lose an opportunity to advance their streaming service?
Time will tell, but I want to see this on the big screen:
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The whole rumor that Disney won't release Dark Phoenix is just that. A rumor. And it has been debunked. This isn't a cheap Roger Corman movie that can be easily buried. This is a $200 million movie with A-list actors and actresses. Canceling the movie or dumping it on a streaming service will cost a lot more in the long run because it won't recoup anything at the box office and the actors will likely sue the studio. Given all the time and effort that Fox has put into this movie, it makes no sense to throw it away. If anything, Disney has even more incentive to see it succeed because a successful Dark Phoenix movie reinvigorates the X-men brand. And increasing the value of a brand is a big part of Disney's business model.
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[QUOTE=MarvelMaster616;3980659]The whole rumor that Disney won't release Dark Phoenix is just that. A rumor. And it has been debunked. This isn't a cheap Roger Corman movie that can be easily buried. This is a $200 million movie with A-list actors and actresses. Canceling the movie or dumping it on a streaming service will cost a lot more in the long run because it won't recoup anything at the box office and the actors will likely sue the studio. Given all the time and effort that Fox has put into this movie, it makes no sense to throw it away. If anything, Disney has even more incentive to see it succeed because a successful Dark Phoenix movie reinvigorates the X-men brand. And increasing the value of a brand is a big part of Disney's business model.[/QUOTE]
One word Mowgli
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[QUOTE=Jokerz79;3980741]One word Mowgli[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that if the budget really is around $200 M, then it needs to make something like $500 M to even break even.
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I just don't see Disney putting a mainline X-Men movie on streaming. [I]New Mutants[/I], being a spinoff project, I could totally see, but not [I]Dark Phoenix[/I].
In regards to the budget and making money back, [I]Apocalypse [/I]cost around $200M to make, and they recouped that cost. Not by a huge amount, but they did. And that was [B]with [/B]three weeks worth of mediocre-to-bad reviews being released beforehand. If this movie's good and gets good word of mouth, it'll easily beat [I]Apocalypse[/I] and make its money back. I also think it's gonna be pretty damn good, too.
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[QUOTE=Sam Robards, Comic Fan;3980812]I just don't see Disney putting a mainline X-Men movie on streaming. New Mutants, being a spinoff project, I could totally see, but not [I]Dark Phoenix[/I].
In regards to the budget and making money back, [I]Apocalypse [/I]cost around $200M to make, and they recouped that cost. Not by a huge amount, but they did. And that was [B]with [/B]three weeks worth of mediocre-to-bad reviews being released beforehand. If this movie's good and gets good word of mouth, it'll easily beat [I]Apocalypse[/I] and make its money back. I also think it's gonna be pretty damn good, too.[/QUOTE]
Bad reviews are much much less worrying than mostly indifference from general audience.
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[QUOTE=Jokerz79;3980741]One word Mowgli[/QUOTE]
What was the budget on that? I suspect they did it because they thought it was going to bomb due to the Disney version being released not to long ago.
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[QUOTE=The Shape;3980912]What was the budget on that? I suspect they did it because they thought it was going to bomb due to the Disney version being released not to long ago.[/QUOTE]
No clue the budget is no where online but given the cast and it's at least 50% motion cap and CGI this wasn't cheap. Yes they were afraid it wouldn't do well do to Jungle Book comparisons but also they saved a ton on marketing by selling to Netflix.
Dark Phoenix if it could hurt their plans for the X-Men going forward by either not being good or even they simply want to move on to a MCU reboot they could very likely bury it on streaming either selling it to Netflix an automatic profit and no cost for marketing which can cost almost as much as the film itself in some big releases. Also there is the option of using it to promote their streaming service while simultaneously burying it. Mandolorian the Star Wars series is going to cost 100 million for 10 episodes and I doubt the Live Action Lady and the Tramp is cheap this isn't a service to dump low cost items so Dark Phoenix isn't an automatic no due to its budget. Also how many would get the service to see the last Fox X-Men (Main Team) film if it ends up the case?
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Does this mean that Disney is going to delay the movie premiere yet again??
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[QUOTE=Jokerz79;3981003]No clue the budget is no where online but given the cast and it's at least 50% motion cap and CGI this wasn't cheap. Yes they were afraid it wouldn't do well do to Jungle Book comparisons but also they saved a ton on marketing by selling to Netflix.
Dark Phoenix if it could hurt their plans for the X-Men going forward by either not being good or even they simply want to move on to a MCU reboot they could very likely bury it on streaming either selling it to Netflix an automatic profit and no cost for marketing which can cost almost as much as the film itself in some big releases. Also there is the option of using it to promote their streaming service while simultaneously burying it. Mandolorian the Star Wars series is going to cost 100 million for 10 episodes and I doubt the Live Action Lady and the Tramp is cheap this isn't a service to dump low cost items so Dark Phoenix isn't an automatic no due to its budget. Also how many would get the service to see the last Fox X-Men (Main Team) film if it ends up the case?[/QUOTE]
The merger is expected to be completed in summer of 2019 around the time movie comes out. So it would be Fox that would be marketing the film.