With the changes, this Superman is now less a pre-flashpoint Superman and more a new Superman. What does it mean for Convergence, did that happen at all
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With the changes, this Superman is now less a pre-flashpoint Superman and more a new Superman. What does it mean for Convergence, did that happen at all
[QUOTE=adamishere1;2809204]With the changes, this Superman is now less a pre-flashpoint Superman and more a new Superman. What does it mean for Convergence, did that happen at all[/QUOTE]
Clark made mention that his memories of his pre-Flashpoint life were fading in the two-parter "The New World", so in a roundabout way, it still happened, and there are other dimensional characters who will remember that it did, like Oz, Mxyzptlk and Manhattan...but the main heroes of the DC world will not recollect it, the Kents and Jon included.
Come to think of it...I wonder if Tim still remembers the pre-Reborn universe since he is an Oz prisoner?
[QUOTE=adamishere1;2809204]With the changes, this Superman is now less a pre-flashpoint Superman and more a new Superman. What does it mean for Convergence, did that happen at all[/QUOTE]
Nothing in Convergence happened, from Lois and Clark being able to give birth because of the bottled city and superman without powers to Jon being born in a bat cave, all of that is out continuity now.
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;2809313]Nothing in Convergence happened, from Lois and Clark being able to give birth because of the bottled city and superman without powers to Jon being born in a bat cave, [B]all of that is out continuity now[/B].[/QUOTE]
As far as some characters are concerned, yes, but not all necessarily.
Read my post above.
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;2809313]Nothing in Convergence happened, from Lois and Clark being able to give birth because of the bottled city and superman without powers to Jon being born in a bat cave, all of that is out continuity now.[/QUOTE]I think it falls into that hazy "[B][COLOR="#0000CD"][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Yes, it did happen, but now has been altered so that it isn't remembered as happening the way we originally read it[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]" zone. Parts of it still happened, but with revisions, and it may be a while before we know the final way things are changed (or not).
[SIZE=1]((Also may take a while before enough "revision-contradictions" pile up that may require DC to consider another [B][I][URL="http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2010/08/review-zero-hour-crisis-in-time-trade.html"]Zero Hour[/URL] 2.0[/I][/B].))[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=Miles To Go;2809348]As far as some characters are concerned, yes, but not all necessarily.
Read my post above.[/QUOTE]
No, they made it clear none of that happened. Lois didn't give birth twice in the bat cave and in the ice fortress. They were never stuck in a bottled city. While the lois and clark mini happened, none of that convergence 2 parter would make sense in continuity now.
JMO everything happened.
Now the Golden Age stories were decided to have happened on Earth-2 to Kal-L back in the day so that's where they happened but all of Earth-1 Pre-Crisis, all of Post-Crisis, all of New 52, and all of Convergence happened.
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is a nice Elseworld or Imaginary Tale but it's a Parallel Earth to me because it was pretty obvious at the end of Crisis of the Infinite Earths Earth-1 Superman was the Superman of New Earth but time was also still adjusting to the new timeline and his timeline altered with it creating the Post-Crisis version of him and during Flashpoint somehow him and Lois were split into two creating the Convergence Superdad and New 52 Nuperman who are now merged back together. But yes IMO all version happened just the timeline has been changed at times changing them. I also think there is some credence to this Flash and Batman saw the Silver Age formation of the League and they said they didn't think it was an alternate earth but the past. So yes all eras are canon IMO how Superman and the DCU remembers the past is what changes.
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;2809681]No, they made it clear none of that happened. Lois didn't give birth twice in the bat cave and in the ice fortress. They were never stuck in a bottled city. While the lois and clark mini happened, none of that convergence 2 parter would make sense in continuity now.[/QUOTE]
Yup. No way Convergence fits in any way shape or form on the Superman side of things. Its all gone. L&C was fit in via the "it happened but in a different way" deal, but Convergence was replaced outright. At least from the point of view of Superman, Lois, and Jon, and Earth-0 denizens. Perhaps other beings not native to the main Earth recall it, but as far as the aforementioned are concerned, it never happened.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;2809765]At least from the point of view of Superman, Lois, and Jon, and Earth-0 denizens. Perhaps other beings not native to the main Earth recall it.[/QUOTE]
That was my point. Mxy, Oz, maybe even Tim because he's an Oz prisoner, will recall the previous reality. Funny how it went over everyone's head.
Woops, missed those clarifications. I admit I just skimmed the thread, shouldn't have done that.
Pre-flashpoint/Convergence Superman showed up in the new 52 universe and then reality changed around him to make him fit. If you view reality as malleable, you can trace a direct line from Convergence to the current comics, but it makes no sense based on the way continuity is set up currently.
[QUOTE=Miles To Go;2809854]That was my point. Mxy, Oz, maybe even Tim because he's an Oz prisoner, will recall the previous reality. Funny how it went over everyone's head.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, people like Mxy,Oz and Manhattan wil of course remember things like that. But they also probably remember past crisis events and the animated series and red son etc. Not much to be said about that.