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[QUOTE=Nik Hasta;5833459]Huh, I didn't know that. I heard OG Kraven had come back as immortal, with some stipulation that he could only be killed by a spider(-man) and then Kaine killed him and then restarted his heart to break the immortality curse.
How did he die permanently?[/QUOTE]
Loophole abuse.
He becomes the Spider again, like in Kraven's Last Hunt, and his clone killed him thinking that he was Spider-man. That way he circumvented the whole "The Hunter has to kill the Spider or the Spider has to kill the Hunter" thing.
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[center]For what it's worth, I enjoyed their last get-together from [URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America_Vol_1_697"]Captain America #697[/URL] (XD)
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Cap wins this one. Kraven is no slouch but Cap is smarter and more skilled.
Brains over brawn.
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[QUOTE=hareluyafan1;5836187]Cap wins this one. Kraven is no slouch but Cap is smarter and more skilled.
Brains over brawn.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the reasons given above your post show that Cap js stomped here.
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[QUOTE=hareluyafan1;5836187]Cap wins this one. Kraven is no slouch but Cap is smarter and more skilled.
Brains over brawn.[/QUOTE]
This is what the Leader tells himself about the Hulk every morning while he is trimming his pencil mustache.
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[QUOTE=Cody;5836238]I'd say the reasons given above your post show that Cap js stomped here.[/QUOTE]
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. The reasons given above my post basically amount to "Kraven is physically stronger/tougher." Cap has beaten tons of guys who were physically stronger/tougher than him.
[QUOTE=Cody;5836238]This is what the Leader tells himself about the Hulk every morning while he is trimming his pencil mustache.[/QUOTE]
The Leader loses because he's hampered by his ego. A problem Cap doesn't have.
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[QUOTE=hareluyafan1;5836365]You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. The reasons given above my post basically amount to "Kraven is physically stronger/tougher." Cap has beaten tons of guys who were physically stronger/tougher than him.
The Leader loses because he's hampered by his ego. A problem Cap doesn't have.[/QUOTE]
Given Kraven is highly skilled himself (being a guy who hits comic book pressure points on all kinds of people - Parker, Hank McCoy, Tigra), at least as fast as Cap if not faster (Peter's clone comments on just how fast Kraven is), stronger than Cap, and takes hits from a guy who is, conservatively, 5+ times stronger than Cap when that guy is absolutely enraged, I don’t see how Cap is winning this.
As an example, let’s say Peter Parker - absolutely enraged - hauls off and punches Cap in the face. What happens? I’m betting it’s a whole lot more than what happens with Kraven, who is strong and tough enough to eat the hit, spit a little blood, then grin.
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[QUOTE=Cody;5833474]
Oh, so he's Kraven the Iron-Man Hunter now eh?[/QUOTE]
Now? It's hardly a new trick.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dtBzlhH.jpg?1[/img]
At various times over the years (and with some thanks to inconsistent writing) Kraven has swapped it back and forth between paralyzing rays, lightning bolts, and lasers.
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[QUOTE=Cody;5833474]Wait.... Is that special potion the same type that Black Panther drank to become CBPH?
Oh, so he's Kraven the Iron-Man Hunter now eh?[/QUOTE]
Edit: He had that since the start, actually, though I'm not sure if it was originally a laser or an electric blast. But Alan just ninja'd me and answered that.
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I think that Kraven's costume deserves its own origin story. Ballet slippers and leopard skin tights? A vest made to look like a lion's head with Kraven's head bursting out from the top? Energy blaster nipples made to look like lion eyes? Kraven must have OD'd on the jungle drugs the night he made his costume.
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[QUOTE=Alan2099;5839956]Now? It's hardly a new trick.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dtBzlhH.jpg?1[/img]
At various times over the years (and with some thanks to inconsistent writing) Kraven has swapped it back and forth between paralyzing rays, lightning bolts, and lasers.[/QUOTE]
Huh, I've never noticed that little ears before on the fur parts. That's a weird detail he's got going there.
Has it ever shot out gas instead of beams or am I just imagning that?
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[QUOTE=Dark Soul # 7;5840448]Huh, I've never noticed that little ears before on the fur parts. That's a weird detail he's got going there.
Has it ever shot out gas instead of beams or am I just imagning that?[/QUOTE]
Yes, he has. He also carries dart things that he throws that have paralytics on them.
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[QUOTE=hareluyafan1;5836365]You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. The reasons given above my post basically amount to "Kraven is physically stronger/tougher." Cap has beaten tons of guys who were physically stronger/tougher than him.
The Leader loses because he's hampered by his ego. A problem Cap doesn't have.[/QUOTE]
Just addressing the point, not the person who posted it. Since banned, that would be rude.
But I think he's falling into the "It happened in a comic" mentality. Cap wins over Kraven in a comic because Cap is the hero and Kraven is the villain, not because it makes sense. Cap has beaten all sorts of people he should have no chance to beat just as many other CBPHs have done, because they are the hero of the story. But to apply that to Rumbles would be to just say the hero always beats the villain as a default result.
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I think even pissed off, Peter holds back to some extent. But Kraven has always been able to keep up with Spider-Man to an extent. A man who has super strength, agility and precog. Cap should be nothing to him.
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[QUOTE=Alan2099;5839956]Now? It's hardly a new trick.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dtBzlhH.jpg?1[/img]
At various times over the years (and with some thanks to inconsistent writing) Kraven has swapped it back and forth between paralyzing rays, lightning bolts, and lasers.[/QUOTE]
Nipple rays, nobody expects nipple rays.