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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5092507]i'm not wild about yet more human GLs in general so I'm not familiar with this series or character.
But how is her mere existence as being a non-white male pushing a leftist agenda?[/QUOTE]
It’s not her race, gender, or sexual orientation I have a problem with. It’s how writers use them to prop up her character.
One of the first posts in this thread is someone calling the series fantastic, which you wouldn't get without a good story. Ultimately, stories are in the eye of the beholder and people come to stories and series for different reasons, so while you miht not like it, others certainly do.
Also, it's not cool to cast suspicions on writers. Very few writers don't want to tell a good story and just care about clout. I'm not going to dismiss the idea some do- humanity consistently disappoints me- but no one gets into comics for clout or money.
[QUOTE=Adset;5092496]I guess I’ve never understood why writing a character one way is fine, but writing a character another way is trying to conform to someone’s agenda. If Jo Mullein was Joe Morgan, straight white dude, this thread doesn’t exist. Why is one form standard, and the other an ‘agenda’?
EDIT: I can’t spell.[/QUOTE]
You're right. If this was a straight white dude, this thread probably wouldn't exist, because I doubt the initial core backstory of this character would be about getting fired from the racist crooked NYPD. I'm sure it would be a different story that has nothing to do with what's happening in real life.
[QUOTE=OptimusPrime114;5092480]Which thread was this?[/QUOTE]
I would have to go and find it.
[QUOTE=Jody Garland;5092530]One of the first posts in this thread is someone calling the series fantastic, which you wouldn't get without a good story. Ultimately, stories are in the eye of the beholder and people come to stories and series for different reasons, so while you miht not like it, others certainly do.
Also, it's not cool to cast suspicions on writers. Very few writers don't want to tell a good story and just care about clout. I'm not going to dismiss the idea some do- humanity consistently disappoints me- but no one gets into comics for clout or money.[/QUOTE]
Try telling that to Brian Michael Bendis.
[QUOTE=OptimusPrime114;5092501]Because comic writers care more about earning woke points than telling good stories.[/QUOTE]
Except the story is very good.
[QUOTE=OptimusPrime114;5092532]Try telling that to Brian Michael Bendis.[/QUOTE]
What does that mean?
Maybe I’m making too big a deal about this. Sorry I was a jackass.
You know that symbol on Superman's chest? It IS an S, and it stands for SJW.
The first appearance of Superman had him battling slum landlords, fighting abusive husbands, corrupt senators. Superman is an immigrant with more power than anyone and who uses that power to help the weak. He's the ultimate SJW and it's why he's so fantastic. I especially liked when Greg Pak had him fight for those being oppressed by the police.
Wonder Woman was created in direct opposition to the sheer maleness of superhero comics, advocating love over violence. Freeing women from oppression. Battling for justice, socially.
The X-men is basically one massive allegory for social justice issues - take your pick.
If you believed in these characters and the messages they bring us, the lessons they teach, then you'd be an "SJW" too.
And quite honestly, I could stand to see a leftist agenda pushed a little more.
[QUOTE=greatmetropolitan;5092547]You know that symbol on Superman's chest? It IS an S, and it stands for SJW.
The first appearance of Superman had him battling slum landlords, fighting abusive husbands, corrupt senators. Superman is an immigrant with more power than anyone and who uses that power to help the weak. He's the ultimate SJW and it's why he's so fantastic. I especially liked when Greg Pak had him fight for those being oppressed by the police.
Wonder Woman was created in direct opposition to the sheer maleness of superhero comics, advocating love over violence. Freeing women from oppression. Battling for justice, socially.
The X-men is basically one massive allegory for social justice issues - take your pick.
If you believed in these characters and the messages they bring us, the lessons they teach, then you'd be an "SJW" too.
And quite honestly, I could stand to see a leftist agenda pushed a little more.[/QUOTE]
That’s it. I’m shutting it down.
[QUOTE=greatmetropolitan;5092547]You know that symbol on Superman's chest? It IS an S, and it stands for SJW.
The first appearance of Superman had him battling slum landlords, fighting abusive husbands, corrupt senators. Superman is an immigrant with more power than anyone and who uses that power to help the weak. He's the ultimate SJW and it's why he's so fantastic. I especially liked when Greg Pak had him fight for those being oppressed by the police.
Wonder Woman was created in direct opposition to the sheer maleness of superhero comics, advocating love over violence. Freeing women from oppression. Battling for justice, socially.
The X-men is basically one massive allegory for social justice issues - take your pick.
If you believed in these characters and the messages they bring us, the lessons they teach, then you'd be an "SJW" too.
And quite honestly, I could stand to see a leftist agenda pushed a little more.[/QUOTE]
Very well said....and also what's so wrong with Social Justice Warriors? Since when is that a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Hol;5092556]Very well said....and also what's so wrong with Social Justice Warriors? Since when is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
Preach, Hol!
[QUOTE=OptimusPrime114;5092438]Fine.
I’m all for diverse characters, but I don’t like how these writers are pushing her sexuality and race as if those are the only things that makes her an interesting characters[/QUOTE]
Her sexuality and race are barely relevant to the story.