Rumblers League Round 12: The MunchKing vs Jcogginsa

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[B]Team MunchKING[/B]
Sun Wukong (The Monkey King Trilogy) 10
Darth Vader (Star Wars) 5 w/ Xilien Mothership w/ Monsters (Godzilla: Final Wars) 10
Rita Repulsa (MMPR) 7 w/ Sentinel (X-Men: DoFP) 7, Box of Gavrok (Buffyverse) 7, Paul Tibbets Binoculars (7)
Tommy Oliver (Power Rangers) 4, Radioactive Spider Bite (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy) 6, Captain America's Vibranium Shield (MCU) 2
Basilisk (Harry Potter) 9 w/ Enlarged by Rita Repulsa's Wand (Power Rangers) 8
Magneto (X-Men Movies: Young) 8 w/ Star Blade (Smallville) 9, Real World Gun of Choice (Real World) 1, Emotional Duplication (Misfits) 10
T-800 (Terminator Movies) 2 w/, Pistol with Adamantium Bullets (X-Men Movies) 4, Darkest Timeline Paintball Gun (Community) 5
Godzilla (2000) 9 w/ House Party Protocol Iron Man Armours (MCU) 9, J.A.R.V.I.S. (MCU) 2
Superman (Superman and Lois) 10 w/ Plastic Gun with Mutant Cure Darts(3)


[B]Team Jcogginsa: [/B]
Jean Grey (X-Men Movies - Young) 10 + Shocked by Genetically Altered Eels (The Amazing Spider-Man 2) 7 Staff of Devosynn, The (Buffyverse) 2, Symbol of Anyanka (3)
Flash (DCEU) 9 + Mimetic Polyalloy Upgrade (Terminator Genysis) 6 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Joey Gutierrez (MCU) 4 + TVA Baton (8)
Cyborg (DCEU) 7 + Mutari Generator, The (Buffyverse) 3 + Protection Amulet (Charmed) 5 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Yo-Yo (MCU) 5 +Sarcophagus Crystal (Buffyverse) 2, Medusa Head in a Bag(9)
Adam Monroe (Heroes) 2 + Draconian Katra (Buffyverse) 2
Hal Jordan (Green Lantern Movie) 9 + Band of Blacknil (Buffyverse) 2 + Neuralyser(6)
Ares (DCEU) 8 + Soul Stone, The (MCU) 4 + Sling Ring (3)
Godzilla (Final Wars) 10
Purity (9) w/Power Sucking Athame (6)
Daphne Milbrook (7) w/Kungai Demons Tak Horn (2) & Colt (Supernatural

[CENTER][SIZE=6]Kaiju for Life-u[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Time for Monkeying Around[/SIZE]
Sun Wukong (The Monkey King Trilogy) 10

[SIZE=4]Have You seen my New TIE?: [/SIZE]
Darth Vader (Star Wars) 5
-- Xilien Mothership w/ Monsters (Godzilla: Final Wars) 10

[SIZE=4]Rita Their Rights!:[/SIZE]
Rita Repulsa (MMPR) 7
--Sentinel(X-Men: DoFP) 7
-- Box of Gavrok (Buffyverse) 7
-- Paul Tibbet's Binoculars (Warehouse 13) 7

[SIZE=4]It's So Evil Being Green[/SIZE]
Tommy Oliver (Power Rangers) 4
-- Radioactive Spider Bite (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy) 6
-- Captain America's Vibranium Shield (MCU) 2

[SIZE=4]All Serpents Great and Small[/SIZE]
Basilisk (Harry Potter) 9
-- Enlarged by Rita Repulsa's Wand (Power Rangers) 8

[SIZE=4]Master of Mortars[/SIZE]
Magneto (X-Men Movies: Young) 8
-- Star Blade(Smallville) 9
-- Real World Gun of Choice (Real World) 1
-- Emotional Duplication (Misfits) 10

[SIZE=4]Termination of ALL Life Forms[/SIZE]
T-800 (Terminator Movies) 2
-- Pistol with Adamantium Bullets (X-Men Movies) 4
-- Darkest Timeline Paintball Gun(Community) 5

[SIZE=4]Ain't No Party Like a Godzilla Party![/SIZE]
Godzilla(2000) 9
-- House Party Protocol Iron Man Armours[(MCU) 9
— J.A.R.V.I.S. (MCU) 2

[SIZE=4]The Last Gun of Krypton![/SIZE]
Superman (Superman and Lois) 10
-- Plastic Gun w/ Mutant Cure Darts (X-Men: The Last Stand) 3

Vs.


THE BASIC BASTARDS!

Jean Grey (X-Men Movies - Young) 10 + Shocked by Genetically Altered Eels (The Amazing Spider-Man 2) 7 Staff of Devosynn, The (Buffyverse) 2 + Symbol of Anyanka 3

Flash (DCEU) 9 + Mimetic Polyalloy Upgrade (Terminator Genysis) 6 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Joey Gutierrez (MCU) 4 +TVA Baton 8

Cyborg (DCEU) 7 + Mutari Generator, The (Buffyverse) 3 + Protection Amulet (Charmed) 5 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Yo-Yo (MCU) 5 +Sarcophagus Crystal (Buffyverse) 2 + Medusa's Head w/ Bag (Clash of the Titans Original) 9

Adam Monroe (Heroes) 2 + Draconian Katra (Buffyverse) 2

Hal Jordan (Green Lantern Movie) 9 + Band of Blacknil (Buffyverse) 2 + Neuralyzer (Men in Black) 6

Ares (DCEU) 8 + Soul Stone, The (MCU) 4 + Sling Ring (MCU) 3

Godzilla (Final Wars) 10

Purity (Supergirl) 9 + Power-Sucking Athame (Charmed) 6

Daphne Millbrook 7 + Kungai Demon's Tak Horn (Buffyverse) 2 + The Colt (Supernatural) 5[/Center]


Ahead of the battle, Magneto surveys the battlefield. Look at those... Wakandians. So proud of their tech, so sure in their little laser shields. And yet he could destroy it all with a wave of his hand. Truely none of their worthless little human lives were worth anything comapred to [I]Homo Superior[/i]. ANd these one were even more priamative than most, with their cloaks and spears for fighting. It is to laugh. [b]Super Rac... I mean "Speciest" Magneto[/b] has joined the fight.

A thing I would like to point out is Jean Grey is now a Vengance demon. SO when the battle starts, she will hear a plea from a woman most greviously in NEED of Vengance. A woman who has had scorn, deresion, and violence heaped on her and her position for years by the men in her life. A plea so passionate, so PURE in it's call for Vengance against her oppressors, Jean will have no choice but to grant it! That wish will echo through out the Ages.

"Give me the Power to CRUSH those foolish Power Rangers Once and For ALL!!"

Given that we're not only talking about Evil winning on a Sentai show, but overcoming several prophecies here, that's a LOT of power Rita's asking for. But she spent TEN THOUSAND YEARS stuck in a trash can with Goldar and the other three idiots, growing ever more vengeful and angry. She will not let this opportunity pass. Of course the power to beat the Power Rangers so hard they can never come back from it is more than enough to beat a bunch of Basic Bastards hard enough to get a win.


Daphne at the start of the battle suddenly shoots 4 of her team mates in the back, and then in greif at what she's done turns her gun on herself and shoots herself in the head. Surely that's what happened, it totally isn't SS Magneto floating over the team killing Humans with her Colt in the most needlessly Sadistic way he can, is it?


Regular Magneto can also fly over the top and trash Cyborg with his magnetic powers. Cyborg doesn't have enough biologiacal bits to live if the machise were surgically removed from him, lets alone if the were ripped out and used to shred him.

Also if Flash gets near either of the Magnetos they can show him why being a man of metal is a bad idea against a Master of Magnetism. Then that Magento can take the the TVA baton off of Flash's splatter and use it to erase the other team.

Ares is probably going to try to open up a hundred portals with the sling ring to do shenanigans with the shield or some such silliness. So we're going to send a deicidal monley over there to turn Ares into an angry frog or something. On the plus side that leaves his SLing Ring available for stealing and without that, banishing Ares to an alternate dimension should keep him there.

Last time Jcog claimed his Godzilla could beat my Godzilla AND all the other Godzilla monsters simulataneously, because winning a 3 on 1 automatically means you'll win a 12+ on 1. So this time we'll explictly send a Basilisk big enough to look Godzilla in the eyes overe there to do that. And venom bite him if Godzilla tries to blind-fight.

My Godzilla can blast Purity with Atomic Energy and keep fighting her until he wins. The Iron Man suits can also gang up on her. Even if they don't do loads of damage they can keep her overwhelmed and keep her pinned down.

Superman can fly over and fill Jean with Cure. It'll cancel out all that Psychic Mutant stuff, while leaving her still capable of granting wishes to my team. If the other team tries to make wishes, it would be easy for Superman to grab the gem and crush it, which breaks all the wishes already granted. After sdealing with Jean he can move on to fighting Purity who will be so wrecked fighting all the Iron Men and maybe Godzilla, that she won't notice Superman to use her Kryptonian busting Sonic Screams.


Tommy can teleport over to Hal Jordan. If Hal doesn't die from getting shot in the brain by his teammate, Tommy can wreck Hal in CQC with the Captain America Shield.

Terminator will take forever (from a subjective perspective) to walk around the perimiter of the shield, but if anyone is left, or anyone tries to come get him, the Terminator can shoot them with his time-line displacement gun for an instant win.

Of course as they say, No Plan survives contact with the enemy, and my team are experienced fighters that can adapt on the fly. Once they take down their inital targets they can move on to mop up the rest of the Basic Bastards.

[B]Team Jcogginsa Stratagy[/B]

The Munch King Must Die!

[B]Opening moves[/B]

All of these moves occur simultaneously

- Jean eneters Cyborg, and then psychically paralyzes anyone on the enemy team without psychic defenses.

- Ares uses a ling ring portal to bring the entire team sans Godzilla underneath the Wakandan Energy Shield.

- Cyborg uses his technopathy to take control of the Xillien ship, and uses it to imprison the Basilisk as well as any other enlarged monsters created by Rita

- Barry ramps up his speed.

- Daphne grabs the TVA Baton

- Godzilla will blast apart the Xillian ship and any other giganized targets

[B]Follow Up Moves[/B]

- Ares opens up a sling ring portal in front of Magnet, which Purity and Hal go through to restrain him on the ground long enough for the Team Speedsters to act. Flash will melt his Helmet using his metal control, and Daphne will strike him with the TVA baton.

- Cyborg will take control of the Terminator, and Sentinel, paralyzing them

- Daphne will then go after the Sentinel, striking it with the TVA Baton.

- Flash will track down the Terminator, melting it. He will then melt the House party suits

- If the enemy team is all paralyzed, they will be pruned by the Baton. If they are not, the following actions will be taken against them.

- My Godzilla will begin fighting fighting Munch’s inferior Godzilla

- Daphne will shoot Rita and Tommy with the Colt

- Purity will engage with Superman, using her Anti-Kryptonian Sonic scream to soften him up and then kill him

- Hal will use the Neuralyzer to mindwipe Sun Wukong, then tell him he came here to defeat some terrible villain. The villain in question will be any member of Wukong’s team that is still causing them problems. If none of them are still there, Hal will tell Wukong that there’s this dude named Thanos who everybody hates, and if Wukong defeats him, everyone in the universe will throw him a huge party.


[B]Contingencies[/B]

- Jean will play psychic defense, and should the opportunity arise, will grant her wish powers to dump the enemy team in another dimension.

- Ares will use the sling ring to rescue anyone caught in another dimension

- If the Wakandans interrupt my team, Adam Monroe will talk them into siding with us instead of the enemy team.
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- If Vader survives Godzilla’s attempt to blast the Xillien ship, Ares will open a sling ring portal and Blast him.

[QUOTE=Darth Drizzle;5728347][CENTER][SIZE=6]Kaiju for Life-u[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Time for Monkeying Around[/SIZE]
Sun Wukong (The Monkey King Trilogy) 10

[SIZE=4]Have You seen my New TIE?: [/SIZE]
Darth Vader (Star Wars) 5
-- Xilien Mothership w/ Monsters (Godzilla: Final Wars) 10

[SIZE=4]Rita Their Rights!:[/SIZE]
Rita Repulsa (MMPR) 7
--Sentinel(X-Men: DoFP) 7
-- Box of Gavrok (Buffyverse) 7
-- Paul Tibbet's Binoculars (Warehouse 13) 7

[SIZE=4]It's So Evil Being Green[/SIZE]
Tommy Oliver (Power Rangers) 4
-- Radioactive Spider Bite (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy) 6
-- Captain America's Vibranium Shield (MCU) 2

[SIZE=4]All Serpents Great and Small[/SIZE]
Basilisk (Harry Potter) 9
-- Enlarged by Rita Repulsa's Wand (Power Rangers) 8

[SIZE=4]Master of Mortars[/SIZE]
Magneto (X-Men Movies: Young) 8
-- Star Blade(Smallville) 9
-- Real World Gun of Choice (Real World) 1
-- Emotional Duplication (Misfits) 10

[SIZE=4]Termination of ALL Life Forms[/SIZE]
T-800 (Terminator Movies) 2
-- Pistol with Adamantium Bullets (X-Men Movies) 4
-- Darkest Timeline Paintball Gun(Community) 5

[SIZE=4]Ain't No Party Like a Godzilla Party![/SIZE]
Godzilla(2000) 9
-- House Party Protocol Iron Man Armours[(MCU) 9
— J.A.R.V.I.S. (MCU) 2

[SIZE=4]The Last Gun of Krypton![/SIZE]
Superman (Superman and Lois) 10
-- Plastic Gun w/ Mutant Cure Darts (X-Men: The Last Stand) 3

Vs.


THE BASIC BASTARDS!

Jean Grey (X-Men Movies - Young) 10 + Shocked by Genetically Altered Eels (The Amazing Spider-Man 2) 7 Staff of Devosynn, The (Buffyverse) 2 + Symbol of Anyanka 3

Flash (DCEU) 9 + Mimetic Polyalloy Upgrade (Terminator Genysis) 6 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Joey Gutierrez (MCU) 4 +TVA Baton 8

Cyborg (DCEU) 7 + Mutari Generator, The (Buffyverse) 3 + Protection Amulet (Charmed) 5 + Terrigenesis upgrade, Yo-Yo (MCU) 5 +Sarcophagus Crystal (Buffyverse) 2 + Medusa's Head w/ Bag (Clash of the Titans Original) 9

Adam Monroe (Heroes) 2 + Draconian Katra (Buffyverse) 2

Hal Jordan (Green Lantern Movie) 9 + Band of Blacknil (Buffyverse) 2 + Neuralyzer (Men in Black) 6

Ares (DCEU) 8 + Soul Stone, The (MCU) 4 + Sling Ring (MCU) 3

Godzilla (Final Wars) 10

Purity (Supergirl) 9 + Power-Sucking Athame (Charmed) 6

Daphne Millbrook 7 + Kungai Demon's Tak Horn (Buffyverse) 2 + The Colt (Supernatural) 5[/Center]


Ahead of the battle, Magneto surveys the battlefield. Look at those... Wakandians. So proud of their tech, so sure in their little laser shields. And yet he could destroy it all with a wave of his hand. Truely none of their worthless little human lives were worth anything comapred to [I]Homo Superior[/i]. ANd these one were even more priamative than most, with their cloaks and spears for fighting. It is to laugh. [b]Super Rac... I mean "Speciest" Magneto[/b] has joined the fight.

A thing I would like to point out is Jean Grey is now a Vengance demon. SO when the battle starts, she will hear a plea from a woman most greviously in NEED of Vengance. A woman who has had scorn, deresion, and violence heaped on her and her position for years by the men in her life. A plea so passionate, so PURE in it's call for Vengance against her oppressors, Jean will have no choice but to grant it! That wish will echo through out the Ages.

"Give me the Power to CRUSH those foolish Power Rangers Once and For ALL!!"

Given that we're not only talking about Evil winning on a Sentai show, but overcoming several prophecies here, that's a LOT of power Rita's asking for. But she spent TEN THOUSAND YEARS stuck in a trash can with Goldar and the other three idiots, growing ever more vengeful and angry. She will not let this opportunity pass. Of course the power to beat the Power Rangers so hard they can never come back from it is more than enough to beat a bunch of Basic Bastards hard enough to get a win.


Daphne at the start of the battle suddenly shoots 4 of her team mates in the back, and then in greif at what she's done turns her gun on herself and shoots herself in the head. Surely that's what happened, it totally isn't SS Magneto floating over the team killing Humans with her Colt in the most needlessly Sadistic way he can, is it?


Regular Magneto can also fly over the top and trash Cyborg with his magnetic powers. Cyborg doesn't have enough biologiacal bits to live if the machise were surgically removed from him, lets alone if the were ripped out and used to shred him.

Also if Flash gets near either of the Magnetos they can show him why being a man of metal is a bad idea against a Master of Magnetism. Then that Magento can take the the TVA baton off of Flash's splatter and use it to erase the other team.

Ares is probably going to try to open up a hundred portals with the sling ring to do shenanigans with the shield or some such silliness. So we're going to send a deicidal monley over there to turn Ares into an angry frog or something. On the plus side that leaves his SLing Ring available for stealing and without that, banishing Ares to an alternate dimension should keep him there.

Last time Jcog claimed his Godzilla could beat my Godzilla AND all the other Godzilla monsters simulataneously, because winning a 3 on 1 automatically means you'll win a 12+ on 1. So this time we'll explictly send a Basilisk big enough to look Godzilla in the eyes overe there to do that. And venom bite him if Godzilla tries to blind-fight.

My Godzilla can blast Purity with Atomic Energy and keep fighting her until he wins. The Iron Man suits can also gang up on her. Even if they don't do loads of damage they can keep her overwhelmed and keep her pinned down.

Superman can fly over and fill Jean with Cure. It'll cancel out all that Psychic Mutant stuff, while leaving her still capable of granting wishes to my team. If the other team tries to make wishes, it would be easy for Superman to grab the gem and crush it, which breaks all the wishes already granted. After sdealing with Jean he can move on to fighting Purity who will be so wrecked fighting all the Iron Men and maybe Godzilla, that she won't notice Superman to use her Kryptonian busting Sonic Screams.


Tommy can teleport over to Hal Jordan. If Hal doesn't die from getting shot in the brain by his teammate, Tommy can wreck Hal in CQC with the Captain America Shield.

Terminator will take forever (from a subjective perspective) to walk around the perimiter of the shield, but if anyone is left, or anyone tries to come get him, the Terminator can shoot them with his time-line displacement gun for an instant win.

Of course as they say, No Plan survives contact with the enemy, and my team are experienced fighters that can adapt on the fly. Once they take down their inital targets they can move on to mop up the rest of the Basic Bastards.[/QUOTE]

Reply 1/8

1. You don't get pre-fight preptime, so none of the "Ahead of the battle" nonsense. Your Magneto will be wasting his time getting pissed at the Wakandans during the start of this whole affair, which means he'll be getting taken out before he can do much of anything

2. In order for Rita to make a wish, she's gonna need to get within hearing distance of Jean, and doing that will make her within range for my team to kill. Further more, Jean's under no obligation to grant her wishes. Even if Jean were under obligation to do so, she has complete discretion in how to grant that wish. So Jean could satisfy it by taking away Tommy's ranger powers and giving them to Rita. And this is all ignoring the fact that she's been psychically paralyzed

3. Daphne will not be shooting anyone at the start, as Magneto is too busy working himself into a rage at Wakanda, and he'll never get around to it afterward because he'll get jumped by Purity and Hal. Purity and Hal kicking his ass will also make it very difficult for Mangeto to react to Flash in time to save his helmet, and as soon as that's gone, he's frozen.

4. Wukong's got to A: Resist psychic paralysis and B: Find Ares to beat Ares

5. Basilisk is taken out long before it reaches the Big G

6. Your Godzilla is never gonna a nail a kryptonian. And a squad of low quality iron man suits aren't gonna do jack to her

7. Cure doesn't work on lightning, and there's no way your Superman will get there before Jean can think.

8. Tommy Oliver beating Hal Jordan? That's hilarious. Tommy tries that and Hall will sling shot him into space

9. Terminator will have long since had his skeleton melted

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]Reply 1/8

1. You don't get pre-fight preptime, so none of the "Ahead of the battle" nonsense. Your Magneto will be wasting his time getting pissed at the Wakandans during the start of this whole affair, which means he'll be getting taken out before he can do much of anything[/quote]

It was for the purposes of the story. As I've said before in our last match "Feeling Emotions" isn't an action that will slow him down.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]2. In order for Rita to make a wish, she's gonna need to get within hearing distance of Jean, and doing that will make her within range for my team to kill. [/quote]

Given that I don't see anywhere in your strat where you target Rita specifically, and I only see where you deal with her as "part off the team", I'm sure your team won't be expecting for her to warp over to Jean and make a wish.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]3. Daphne will not be shooting anyone at the start, as Magneto is too busy working himself into a rage at Wakanda,[/quote]

Wrong Magneto. This is the already existent (Because I paid 10 points for it) Super Speciest Magneto.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510] and he'll never get around to it afterward because he'll get jumped by Purity and Hal.[/quote]

I'm sure you have feats of her taking enough Atomic Breath to blow up a giant space monster?

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]4. Wukong's got to A: Resist psychic paralysis[/quote]

By what Wish-granting demon that used to be a psychic? :D

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510] and B: Find Ares to beat Ares[/quote]

Ares want's exactly subtle when he's looking for battle, and he's explicitly doing the exact thing I expected he would. Silly shenanigans with the shield that wouldn't actually stop my team. Alien shocktroops could force their way through the shield, it's definitely not holding Godzilla or The Great Sage Equal to Heaven (who punched his way through a much cooler shield in his own movie), let alone all the people on my team who can teleport or fly and so wouldn't get caught in the portal.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]5. Basilisk is taken out long before it reaches the Big G[/quote]

A bold claim for your team not actually targeting it and indeed not taking ANY precautions to prevent seeing its eyes. Especially as you trying to keep sling ring portals moving with a guy flying around at super speed, so you never know WHAT you'll end up seeing.


[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]6. Your Godzilla is never gonna a nail a kryptonian. And a squad of low quality iron man suits aren't gonna do jack to her[/quote]

They were just the distraction until a main-line Kryptonian steps up anyway.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]7. Cure doesn't work on lightning, and there's no way your Superman will get there before Jean can think. [/quote]

He has some [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-QQ2yp5y4&t=85s"]pretty fas[/URL]t [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-QQ2yp5y4&t=10s"]super speed feats[/URL] in his own series. How fast did Electro turn into lightning?

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]8. Tommy Oliver beating Hal Jordan? That's hilarious. Tommy tries that and Hall will sling shot him into space[/quote]

And Tommy dodges. Spider Reflexes. :D

Also Tommy could just teleport back. It's not like the moon was much of a problem for him.

Furthermore Hal was a normal guy trying to use a magic ring, so if someone with spider speed teleports up next to him and clocks him in the head, he doesn't exactly have enhanced reflexes to stop it.

Which makes it weird you thought he was going to stop a superman, but whatever.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728510]9. Terminator will have long since had his skeleton melted[/QUOTE]

If Flash doesn't get flattened by messing with a Magneto first.

[QUOTE=The MunchKING;5728819]It was for the purposes of the story. As I've said before in our last match "Feeling Emotions" isn't an action that will slow him down.



Given that I don't see anywhere in your strat where you target Rita specifically, and I only see where you deal with her as "part off the team", I'm sure your team won't be expecting for her to warp over to Jean and make a wish.



Wrong Magneto. This is the already existent (Because I paid 10 points for it) Super Speciest Magneto.



I'm sure you have feats of her taking enough Atomic Breath to blow up a giant space monster?



By what Wish-granting demon that used to be a psychic? :D



Ares want's exactly subtle when he's looking for battle, and he's explicitly doing the exact thing I expected he would. Silly shenanigans with the shield that wouldn't actually stop my team. Alien shocktroops could force their way through the shield, it's definitely not holding Godzilla or The Great Sage Equal to Heaven (who punched his way through a much cooler shield in his own movie), let alone all the people on my team who can teleport or fly and so wouldn't get caught in the portal.



A bold claim for your team not actually targeting it and indeed not taking ANY precautions to prevent seeing its eyes. Especially as you trying to keep sling ring portals moving with a guy flying around at super speed, so you never know WHAT you'll end up seeing.




They were just the distraction until a main-line Kryptonian steps up anyway.



He has some [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-QQ2yp5y4&t=85s"]pretty fas[/URL]t [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-QQ2yp5y4&t=10s"]super speed feats[/URL] in his own series. How fast did Electro turn into lightning?



And Tommy dodges. Spider Reflexes. :D

Also Tommy could just teleport back. It's not like the moon was much of a problem for him.

Furthermore Hal was a normal guy trying to use a magic ring, so if someone with spider speed teleports up next to him and clocks him in the head, he doesn't exactly have enhanced reflexes to stop it.

Which makes it weird you thought he was going to stop a superman, but whatever.



If Flash doesn't get flattened by messing with a Magneto first.[/QUOTE]

1. You still put it in there XD
2. They don't need to expect her to react to her presence
3. He's still not getting the chance to attack
4. She's a kryptonian, and Godzilla's not even going to know where she is until she's attacking Magneto
5. By Jean, who won't be curable by virtue of being lightning
6. knowing that Ares is gonna portal somewhere doesn't tell you where he's going
7. What do you mean not targeting it? It's right there in opening moves
8. Seemed to be instantly, and instinctively.
9. Hal's much, much faster than Spidey. He's also much tougher than a normal human
10. Which he won't, Since Mags will be far too busy with other people concentrate on Flash

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]1. You still put it in there XD[/quote]

And I am sure other people appreciate the narrative of it.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]2. They don't need to expect her to react to her presence[/quote]

But by the time they know she's there, she will already be wishing.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]3. He's still not getting the chance to attack[/quote]

Bah he's got Kryptonian superspeed. He can avoid Purity. And Hal is just a nonstarter.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]5. By Jean, who won't be curable by virtue of being lightning[/quote]

Superman went halfway around the world before gravity could start to work on that bridge. With enough time for a stopover to put on the Superman suit.

He HEARD someone start to activate laser-eyes and Clark Kent was there to diffuse the situation before they could activate them. I'm asking again how fast was Electro because Superman is CRAZY fast.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]6. knowing that Ares is gonna portal somewhere doesn't tell you where he's going[/quote]

YEah, but as he's trying to portal trap my team, he's not going anywhere.

EDIT: I read that as trying to trap my team in the shield bubble. You wanted to put YOUR team in there. Sorry. Well it still wouldn't keep anyone important out, especially not the guy that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8SnaUg0LM&t=5220s"]cane smacked through another shield to assault Heaven[/URL].


[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]7. What do you mean not targeting it? It's right there in opening moves[/quote]

Alright I missed that one. I missed where it said Basilisk, and thought it was just talking about Rita growing monsters. MY bad.

The problem is still that OG Magneto isn't leaving Cyborg a whole lot of time to do that.

Smallville Superman may not have some of those cool feats of Superman and Lois version, but he's still pretty fast.


[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]8. Seemed to be instantly, and instinctively. [/quote]

Instantly for a Spiderman Movie though is still a big step below instantly to a guy who goes half way around the world in the time it takes gravity to figure out what's going on. :D

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]9. Hal's much, much faster than Spidey.[/quote]

I'm sure you have feats of that?

I don't remember hearing that Hal got any legit superspeed in the movie...

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5728999]10. Which he won't, Since Mags will be far too busy with other people concentrate on Flash[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Cyborg and all the other people in your team that now have bullet holes punched through their heads.

[QUOTE=The MunchKING;5729400]And I am sure other people appreciate the narrative of it.



But by the time they know she's there, she will already be wishing.



Bah he's got Kryptonian superspeed. He can avoid Purity. And Hal is just a nonstarter.



Superman went halfway around the world before gravity could start to work on that bridge. With enough time for a stopover to put on the Superman suit.

He HEARD someone start to activate laser-eyes and Clark Kent was there to diffuse the situation before they could activate them. I'm asking again how fast was Electro because Superman is CRAZY fast.



YEah, but as he's trying to portal trap my team, he's not going anywhere.

EDIT: I read that as trying to trap my team in the shield bubble. You wanted to put YOUR team in there. Sorry. Well it still wouldn't keep anyone important out, especially not the guy that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8SnaUg0LM&t=5220s"]cane smacked through another shield to assault Heaven[/URL].




Alright I missed that one. I missed where it said Basilisk, and thought it was just talking about Rita growing monsters. MY bad.

The problem is still that OG Magneto isn't leaving Cyborg a whole lot of time to do that.

Smallville Superman may not have some of those cool feats of Superman and Lois version, but he's still pretty fast.




Instantly for a Spiderman Movie though is still a big step below instantly to a guy who goes half way around the world in the time it takes gravity to figure out what's going on. :D



I'm sure you have feats of that?

I don't remember hearing that Hal got any legit superspeed in the movie...



Yeah, Cyborg and all the other people in your team that now have bullet holes punched through their heads.[/QUOTE]

1. No, she'll be talking. And very unlikely to get her wish out before getting shot.
2. Purity also had Kryptonian Super Speed. And Hal's probably faster than a Smallville Kryptonian
3. No, Clark heard an Earthquake. The Bridge isn't shown to be falling until after he's on the scene, so we dunno when it started falling in relation to his travel.
4. Your team has to find mine first, and the first place they're gonna look is "Near my Godzilla"
5. Hal's able to casually fly from Earth to the Asteroid belt and then to the sun in moments. And it's not just travel speed, because he was doing it while dodging attacks from an enemy following closely behind him.
6. Magneto's not going to be able to concentrate on manipulating the gun due to being attacked.

Furthermore, Magneto has no control over Daphne, only the gun. So as soon as Daphne sees what's happening, she can just run over, grab whoever was getting shot at, and move them out of the way. Most of my team are bullet timers, so they won't even need her help

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729418]1. No, she'll be talking. And very unlikely to get her wish out before getting shot.[/quote]

Talking IS wishing, come on. And the gun is already being used to shoot other people.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729418]2. And Hal's probably faster than a Smallville Kryptonian[/quote]

I'm hearing a lot of assertions. What I'm not seeing is any evidence.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729418]
5. Hal's able to casually fly from Earth to the Asteroid belt and then to the sun in moments. And it's not just travel speed, because he was doing it while dodging attacks from an enemy following closely behind him. [/quote]

We've never called that reflex speed before. Going places fast was always travel speed.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729418]
6. Magneto's not going to be able to concentrate on manipulating the gun due to being attacked. [/quote]

By the guy he's trying to shoot with the gun? I mean he DOES that kind of thing while being attacked in the movies.

EDIT: Ok in the scene I was thinking of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEfQ6J5vtY&t=60s"]all the guns run out of bullets and he drops them before she starts thumping him[/URL]. But the whole previous scene is him throwing metal around reacting to people attacking him, and even before all my power ups he was casually catching a whole naval flotilla's worth of bullets and cruise missiles at the same time [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEfQ6J5vtY&t=60s"]like he's fricking Neo from the Matrix[/URL]. So he's fast with it.

[quote]Furthermore, Magneto has no control over Daphne, only the gun. So as soon as Daphne sees what's happening, she can just run over, grab whoever was getting shot at, and move them out of the way. Most of my team are bullet timers, so they won't even need her help[/QUOTE]

Bullets are metal. Magneto has [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2bTQnXtMb4&t=637s"]curved bullets to hit people he couldn't see any more[/URL] with only a slight decrease in accuracy. Also hey! There's a scene where he's trying to shoot someone with a gun in his hand, he gets tackled, and still has the wherewithal to still shoot the person he was trying to shoot by using his magnet powers. :D

[QUOTE=The MunchKING;5729669]Talking IS wishing, come on. And the gun is already being used to shoot other people.



I'm hearing a lot of assertions. What I'm not seeing is any evidence.



We've never called that reflex speed before. Going places fast was always travel speed.



By the guy he's trying to shoot with the gun? I mean he DOES that kind of thing while being attacked in the movies.

EDIT: Ok in the scene I was thinking of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEfQ6J5vtY&t=60s"]all the guns run out of bullets and he drops them before she starts thumping him[/URL]. But the whole previous scene is him throwing metal around reacting to people attacking him, and even before all my power ups he was casually catching a whole naval flotilla's worth of bullets and cruise missiles at the same time [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEfQ6J5vtY&t=60s"]like he's fricking Neo from the Matrix[/URL]. So he's fast with it.



Bullets are metal. Magneto has [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2bTQnXtMb4&t=637s"]curved bullets to hit people he couldn't see any more[/URL] with only a slight decrease in accuracy. Also hey! There's a scene where he's trying to shoot someone with a gun in his hand, he gets tackled, and still has the wherewithal to still shoot the person he was trying to shoot by using his magnet powers. :D[/QUOTE]

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1. If the Gun does get controlled, Then Daphne just grabs her and uses her vastly superior speed to move her into the bullet's path.
2. And dodging fast things is a reaction feat. Hal avoided projectiles that were, at a minimum, travelling faster than something that could cross the Solar System in moments. That's some damn good reactions.
3. Having fast reaction times isn't the same as being able to concentrate while someone punches your face in.
4. Then Daphne just as to keep moving people out of the way until Magneto's taken out of the picture. It would be hard for her.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729908]
1. If the Gun does get controlled, Then Daphne just grabs her and uses her vastly superior speed to move her into the bullet's path.[/quote]

Great! Less arcing the bullet has to do to headshot Daphne.

I mean I literally posted the clip of Magneto curving bullets' trajectories, I don't know what you think putting my team's bodies in the way will do to stop that.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729908]
2. And dodging fast things is a reaction feat. Hal avoided projectiles that were, at a minimum, travelling faster than something that could cross the Solar System in moments. That's some damn good reactions. [/quote]

Well I don't KNOW because I haven't seen any movie clips, but I'm assuming he dodged them from being shot a long way away, like a fighter pilot avoiding missiles rather than like Spiderman dodging bullets at point blank. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3c4crHbjzU&t=157s"]Or blocking missiles by swing around a sewer lid[/URL].

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729908]3. Having fast reaction times isn't the same as being able to concentrate while someone punches your face in.[/QUOTE]

No, but being tackled is.

And I contend the only reason he lost control of the Cruise missiles was because it was CHARLES punching him in the face. He did perfectly fine with throwing around all the other X-men. He just didn't want to fight Charles.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5729908]4. Then Daphne just as to keep moving people out of the way until Magneto's taken out of the picture. It would be hard for her.[/QUOTE]

It would be pretty hard considering both the speed of Magneto's reactions and how close the gun starts to her teams' heads. And how her team wasn't expecting her gun to shoot them in the back of the head.

[QUOTE=The MunchKING;5730264]Great! Less arcing the bullet has to do to headshot Daphne.

I mean I literally posted the clip of Magneto curving bullets' trajectories, I don't know what you think putting my team's bodies in the way will do to stop that.



Well I don't KNOW because I haven't seen any movie clips, but I'm assuming he dodged them from being shot a long way away, like a fighter pilot avoiding missiles rather than like Spiderman dodging bullets at point blank. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3c4crHbjzU&t=157s"]Or blocking missiles by swing around a sewer lid[/URL].



No, but being tackled is.

And I contend the only reason he lost control of the Cruise missiles was because it was CHARLES punching him in the face. He did perfectly fine with throwing around all the other X-men. He just didn't want to fight Charles.



It would be pretty hard considering both the speed of Magneto's reactions and how close the gun starts to her teams' heads. And how her team wasn't expecting her gun to shoot them in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]

1. He can arc the trajectories all he wants, that's not going to matter if the targets are too fast to be hit. All they have to do is dodge the bullets until Magneto is dead

2. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBajtHQhXYo"]Here[/URL]. Hal moves around the Solar System in moments, while dodging Parallax's attacks.

3. Magneto's brain does not have infinite processing power. He's not going going to be able to keep his concentration when Purity's attacking him. She's strong enough to hurt him, Fast enough to tag him, and she has a sonic scream that is designed to take out other Kryptonians.

4. Daphne is literally fast enough to move in a time stop, she's not gonna be slower that a bullet

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[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5730695]1. He can arc the trajectories all he wants, that's not going to matter if the targets are too fast to be hit. All they have to do is dodge the bullets until Magneto is dead[/quote]

Well while they're playing bullet tag with Magneto they're not doing whatever else they were supposed to do. :D

Also if Daphne is trying to hold Rita in the bullet's path than she IS standing still, or near enough to it.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5730695]2. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBajtHQhXYo"]Here[/URL]. Hal moves around the Solar System in moments, while dodging Parallax's attacks. [/quote]

What? He didn't dodge squat there! He flew more or less in a straight line and Paralax just missed. Hal wasn't even looking back for most of those.

SUperman level travel speed, maybe. Reflex speed, I'm saying no.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5730695]3. Magneto's brain does not have infinite processing power. He's not going going to be able to keep his concentration when Purity's attacking him. She's strong enough to hurt him, Fast enough to tag him, and she has a sonic scream that is designed to take out other Kryptonians. [/quote]

He doesn't have to keep it for long. Just crushing Cyborg will cause pretty much all your plans to come apart.

Without Cyborg you can't hack the space ship. And thus Basilisk kills your team.

Without Cyborg there's no where for the non-mutant Jean Grey to hide. So she'll have to actually manifest in the physical world.

Without Cyborg there's no one stopping the Sentinel. Although admittedly that's pretty small potatoes.

With Jean Grey stopped, there's nothing distracting Superman from also coming to stop Purity, and then it's a 2 on 1 (Because Hal caught a bullet from the Colt with his brain.)

With Hal and Jean out of the way, you don't have anyone trying to stop Sun Wukong.

And the Sun Wukong wrecks your team.


Also Magneto was really good at fighting people with human speed level by [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WgWpUZYXa4"]blocking them with metal and such[/URL]. At Kryptonian speeds it wouldn't take much metal for him to block Purity or other kyptonian level fighters.

[QUOTE=Jcogginsa;5730695]4. Daphne is literally fast enough to move in a time stop, she's not gonna be slower that a bullet[/QUOTE]

A bullet SS Magneto is pushing fast with his magnetism? :D

Anyway she will be if she's trying to hold Rita in place.

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Well while they're playing bullet tag with Magneto they're not doing whatever else they were supposed to do. :D

Also if Daphne is trying to hold Rita in the bullet's path than she IS standing still, or near enough to it.



What? He didn't dodge squat there! He flew more or less in a straight line and Paralax just missed. Hal wasn't even looking back for most of those.

SUperman level travel speed, maybe. Reflex speed, I'm saying no.



He doesn't have to keep it for long. Just crushing Cyborg will cause pretty much all your plans to come apart.

Without Cyborg you can't hack the space ship. And thus Basilisk kills your team.

Without Cyborg there's no where for the non-mutant Jean Grey to hide. So she'll have to actually manifest in the physical world.

Without Cyborg there's no one stopping the Sentinel. Although admittedly that's pretty small potatoes.

With Jean Grey stopped, there's nothing distracting Superman from also coming to stop Purity, and then it's a 2 on 1 (Because Hal caught a bullet from the Colt with his brain.)

With Hal and Jean out of the way, you don't have anyone trying to stop Sun Wukong.

And the Sun Wukong wrecks your team.


Also Magneto was really good at fighting people with human speed level by [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WgWpUZYXa4"]blocking them with metal and such[/URL]. At Kryptonian speeds it wouldn't take much metal for him to block Purity or other kyptonian level fighters.



A bullet SS Magneto is pushing fast with his magnetism? :D

Anyway she will be if she's trying to hold Rita in place.[/QUOTE]
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1. Nah, all the moves that need to be done in order to arrive at "Purity kicks Magneto's ass" are bullet timers in their own right. And lets be frank here, the idea that Magneto's helmet will stay in tact through the majority of that fight is very generous.

As for Rita, all Daphne needs to do is move her to where the bullet is already touching her skin, and then move away.

2. Hal also stopped at the exact edge of the Sun's gravitational pull, which is definitely a reflex feet.

3. Magneto's got to find Cyborg before he can Crush him. And deal with both the Green Lantern and the other Kryptonian. And crushed electronics are still electronics, so Jean will still be able to hide inside Cyborg, and mind whammy everyone else. If anything, Crushing Cyborg just makes my win easier, because then my team has a team mate to avenge, and they can wish for your team to get dimension dumped.

4. So Magneto's grand plan to defend against purity is to put something that a Kryptonian can tear though like Tissue paper in front of it

5. agneto's got no feats of moving metal at lightspeed, so yes.

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1. Nah, all the moves that need to be done in order to arrive at "Purity kicks Magneto's ass" are bullet timers in their own right. And lets be frank here, the idea that Magneto's helmet will stay in tact through the majority of that fight is very generous. [/quote]

It stayed for everything up to Dark Phoenix trying to tear it apart with her psychic power.

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2. Hal also stopped at the exact edge of the Sun's gravitational pull, which is definitely a reflex feet.[/quote]

Out beyond Pluto?

I mean technically there's SOME pull from it everywhere, but Pluto is out where we still see objects being effected by it.

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3. And crushed electronics are still electronics, so Jean will still be able to hide inside Cyborg, and mind whammy everyone else.[/quote]

Not if they are crushed down to jut being a ball of the base metals.

Heck does "electronics" even still have meaning if you crush it? It's no longer circuit boards and wires at that point.

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4. So Magneto's grand plan to defend against purity is to put something that a Kryptonian can tear though like Tissue paper in front of it [/quote]

Flung with Kryptonain speed and power, sure.

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5. agneto's got no feats of moving metal at lightspeed, so yes.[/QUOTE]

Does Daphne have feats of moving at Lightspeed?