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[QUOTE=chachi;3324096]I liked Hamill's performance in this movie. I kind of liked the "grumpy old man" Luke. In the end he redeemed himself to give hope to the Rebellion. One change I would make, Luke makes it episode IX, and have this ending be the ending of Episode IX. He sacrifices himself for the rebellion, and the Kids tell the legend of Luke, etc. Would set up the new trilogy, if this is the way Johnson decides to go.[/QUOTE]
I think Luke will be a major factor in Ep IX.
Force ghosts can now interact with their physical environment, which is a huge development.
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You know what?
I don't think Luke brought Vader back from the Dark Side at all. He tried, failed completely, and then almost got himself killed for his trouble.
Vader brought Vader back from the Dark Side, with a colossal amount of lot of help from Palpatine, who had completely forgotten how he had turned Vader to the Dark in the first place and started to torture his family to death right in front of him.
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[QUOTE=Carabas;3344891]You know what?
I don't think Luke brought Vader back from the Dark Side at all. He tried, failed completely, and then almost got himself killed for his trouble.
Vader brought Vader back from the Dark Side, with a colossal amount of lot of help from Palpatine, who had completely forgotten how he had turned Vader to the Dark in the first place and started to torture his family to death right in front of him.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. While of course in the end it was Vader, who had to make the decision to let go of the dark side, it would not have happened without Luke actively influencing Vader.
- first Luke tells him that he thinks there is still good in Vader, which makes Vader realize there is still someone (and this someone is his son!) who still believes in him
- then after besting Vader Luke decides not to kill him and resists the dark side declaring that he is a jedi just like his father before him
- then while being tortured by Palpatine Luke asks Vader for help by crying "father, please"
Imagine instead a situation, where Luke arrives, tells Vader that he despises him, embraces the dark side, decides to kill Palpatine and gets then tortured by Paplatine. I doubt that Vader would have reacted the same way
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[QUOTE=kane;3345562]Imagine instead a situation, where Luke arrives, tells Vader that he despises him, embraces the dark side, decides to kill Palpatine and gets then tortured by Paplatine. I doubt that Vader would have reacted the same way[/QUOTE]
Considering that there actually i still good in Vader, and that Vader has been conflicted for a while now, things could very well turn out the same.
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[QUOTE=Carabas;3345661]Considering that there actually i still good in Vader, and that Vader has been conflicted for a while now, things could very well turn out the same.[/QUOTE]
If we stick to the movies only, there wasn't a hint of conflict in Vader until Luke confronted him on Endor.
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Yeah. Well, actually the first sense of conflict was during the shuttle scene, as while Vader was supposed to let the strike team go as that was part of Palpatine's plan, Palpatine himself senses something strange in Vader when he tells Palpatine later that Luke was on the ship. So that was the actual first sign of conflict. So in the end I suppose the argument could be made that Luke did nothing specific to trigger the conflict, as that was before Luke professed a belief in his goodness directly, but he is the trigger nonetheless. No Luke=No chance the fragment of Anakin that was left could get close enough to surface to even be a problem.
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[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;3345689]Yeah. Well, actually the first sense of conflict was during the shuttle scene, as while Vader was supposed to let the strike team go as that was part of Palpatine's plan, Palpatine himself senses something strange in Vader when he tells Palpatine later that Luke was on the ship. So that was the actual first sign of conflict. So in the end I suppose the argument could be made that Luke did nothing specific to trigger the conflict, as that was before Luke professed a belief in his goodness directly, but he is the trigger nonetheless. No Luke=No chance the fragment of Anakin that was left could get close enough to surface to even be a problem.[/QUOTE]
Yep, pretty much this.
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[QUOTE=David Walton;3325213]I think Luke will be a major factor in Ep IX.
Force ghosts can now interact with their physical environment, which is a huge development.[/QUOTE]
Maybe in the next film, the next development will be that they can look human again and not like a ‘ghost’ since it seems that the writers now are given free rein on how the force works?
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There's also the ending of ESB, where he decides to not kill Piett, hinting that there was some subtle change due to his encounter with Luke.
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Good call, I had forgotten about that. Instead of raging over the loss of the Falcon he just walks away silently. To that point completely out of character.
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Finally some proper debate, rather than the toxic behaviour I've seen on twitter. I loved the movie and thought Luke was amazing, this movie humanised the characters even the bad guys with the humour. Looking forward to episode IX!
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[QUOTE=Ken Ashcroft;3347091]Maybe in the next film, the next development will be that they can look human again and not like a ‘ghost’ since it seems that the writers now are given free rein on how the force works?[/QUOTE]
Yoda looked practically solid in THE LAST JEDI...hardly a hint of the ghostly blue tint of old.
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[QUOTE=ChrisIII;3323650]Yeah, the original plan for 9 was it to be Leia's movie, sort of having each moment of the new trilogy featuring one of the core OT characters in the spotlight. Makes me wonder if that had some factor in Tremorrow leaving the 9th film, perhaps he wanted to use a CG Fisher to salvage the original idea? I'm wondering partially why Rian didn't perhaps do reshoots with Holdo perhaps surviving and taking Leia's place as the resistance leader for 9, with Leia dying in space? I guess they wanted to not cut out her scenes towards the end (including the Luke reunion). I guess it's possible that Poe will emerge as the new leader of the resistance in 9.[/QUOTE]
Lando. Thats who could take Leia's place. He's the Last Original Trilogy Character still with us in one form or another
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[QUOTE=Denirac;3347526]Lando. Thats who could take Leia's place. He's the Last Original Trilogy Character still with us in one form or another[/QUOTE]
I like Lando, but he's never had nearly the cachet of the Big Three.
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[QUOTE=Buried Alien;3347558]I like Lando, but he's never had nearly the cachet of the Big Three.
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Oh I totally agree: But unless General Chewbacca or General 3PO step up, then Lando is the most senior General in the Resistance