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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5237463]I never said that Greer should hgave been made over as Tigra......[/QUOTE]
I was referring to Tony Isabela(Tigra's creator). He should not have pitched Tigra to Marvel. Instead, he should have kept the character and go to a independent comic publisher to market Tigra. Greer is stuck as Tigra because of Isabela's sales pitch.
I should have been clear on my last comment. I really would had loved to see The Cat as Greer Nelson while Tigra as a someone else.
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[QUOTE=kcekada;5237180]What's done is done. Cat, at the time, was viewed as a failed character. I think she had all the makings of a great characters, but issues 2-4 really failed to build on the premise of the first issue.
People like characters that tie into other characters --- even when that character failed to find a market. So, in that respect, it made sense to use Greer/the Cat. I wish the Marvel Chillers issues had followed up on the premise of Tigra being both Cat and Tigra. Instead, they had Greer locked in as Tigra -- which limited story potential. Then future writers really emphasized her feral nature --- which again limited story potential.
I guess Cat could make a comeback, but she'd need a new costume -- one that couldn't get confused with Hellcat's. And then she could be Cat or Tigra. That concept is interesting -- though it could be confusing.[/QUOTE]
I think that the Cat could have found a place with the world of Spider-Man. Greer would had fit in well as Peter's ally. If that was the case, Greer might had been Peter's first crime fighting ally to know his secret identity as Spider-Man.
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[QUOTE=Darthfury78;5241495]I was referring to Tony Isabela(Tigra's creator). He should not have pitched Tigra to Marvel. Instead, he should have kept the character and go to a independent comic publisher to market Tigra. Greer is stuck as Tigra because of Isabela's sales pitch.
I should have been clear on my last comment. I really would had loved to see The Cat as Greer Nelson while Tigra as a someone else.[/QUOTE]
From a creator's perspective, Isabella doing this feel right - however, then she'd be an obscure independent super-hero but at Marvel was able to gain mainstream attention and become an on again off again Avenger. Marvel's track record with her is underwhelming, though I did like her in Avengers: West Coast, but the opportunities are endless for her in their hands. She might be in the MCU one day now.
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They would have still replaced her with Patsy Walker, even if she wasn’t Tigra.
Plus I doubt, without being Tigra, Greer would have been the sixth member of the Avengers run that reunited the founders (minus Hulk).
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[QUOTE=Steel Inquisitor;5241535]From a creator's perspective, Isabella doing this feel right - however, then she'd be an obscure independent super-hero but at Marvel was able to gain mainstream attention and become an on again off again Avenger. Marvel's track record with her is underwhelming, though I did like her in Avengers: West Coast, but the opportunities are endless for her in their hands. She might be in the MCU one day now.[/QUOTE]
I think Isabella's Tigra would had been as successful as Dave Sim's Cerebus the Aardvark.
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[QUOTE=Will Evans;5241665]They would have still replaced her with Patsy Walker, even if she wasn’t Tigra.
Plus I doubt, without being Tigra, Greer would have been the sixth member of the Avengers run that reunited the founders (minus Hulk).[/QUOTE]
If Gerry Conway had incorporated Greer into the pages of Amazing Spider-Man, The Cat might have avoided becoming Tigra. The evolution of her character with Spider-Man might had helped to make a contrast with DC's Catwoman.
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Conway had no hand in creating the Cat, so he likely had no interest in pushing her. Also, Spider-Man never really had a recurring character as a partner until Black Cat was used heavily in Al Milgrom's Spectacular Spider-Man run. Cat seemed to be loosely based on Spider-Man -- she even used glib comments when in battle - so I think she may have been a bit too spot on to use regularly as a Spider-Man character.
I would guess, though, that if Greer hadn't become Tigra -- the Cat would eventually have found her way back -- as few characters disappear forever. Shanna the She-Devil's title failed around the same time, but she eventually showed up in Daredevil -- and then became a regular character in Ka-Zar. Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel, though, had a much more difficult time coming back after their titles will axed, but they eventually did.
Tigra seems ripe for a comeback, but I just hope it's an appropriate vehicle-- and not something like Squirrel Girl or the last Hellcat series -- which aimed at young female readers.
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[QUOTE=kcekada;5243925]Conway had no hand in creating the Cat, so he likely had no interest in pushing her. Also, Spider-Man never really had a recurring character as a partner until Black Cat was used heavily in Al Milgrom's Spectacular Spider-Man run. Cat seemed to be loosely based on Spider-Man -- she even used glib comments when in battle - so I think she may have been a bit too spot on to use regularly as a Spider-Man character.
I would guess, though, that if Greer hadn't become Tigra -- the Cat would eventually have found her way back -- as few characters disappear forever. Shanna the She-Devil's title failed around the same time, but she eventually showed up in Daredevil -- and then became a regular character in Ka-Zar. Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel, though, had a much more difficult time coming back after their titles will axed, but they eventually did.
Tigra seems ripe for a comeback, but I just hope it's an appropriate vehicle-- and not something like Squirrel Girl or the last Hellcat series -- [B]which aimed at young female readers.[/B][/QUOTE]
Young female readers love to read the major titles like Avengers and Spider-Man comics.
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But those titles aren't specifically aimed at a female audience. I think Squirrel Girl is okay for what it is, but it's not a title I would ever touch.
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I think Squirrel Girl is great! But Tigra is not Doreen Green (Squirrel Girl), and a Squirrel Girl style would not suit Tigra.