*shrug* Does that make anything substantive wrong about my guess?
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*shrug* Does that make anything substantive wrong about my guess?
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4724139][COLOR="#000080"]Yeah, that's why I'm having a hard time seeing where this is coming from.
Like I said, maybe Carol [I]thinks[/I] Tony has some affection for her since he's taken it easy on her for all the things that she's done to him.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I think it’s their friendship they are talking about. They have been close since the Busiek days.
I would call them close friends. When not civil warring their bickering feels more like supehero brother/sister shenanigans and they've had amicable friction since like, Claremont and Cockrum's Ms. Marvel.
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4724283]I would call them close friends. When not civil warring their bickering feels more like supehero brother/sister shenanigans and they've had amicable friction since like, Claremont and Cockrum's Ms. Marvel.[/QUOTE]
That’s pretty much how I see it too.
[QUOTE=Tony Stark;4724269][B]I think it’s their friendship they are talking about.[/B] They have been close since the Busiek days.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4724283][B]I would call them close friends[/B]. When not civil warring their bickering feels more like supehero brother/sister shenanigans and they've had amicable friction since like, Claremont and Cockrum's Ms. Marvel.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I hope that's how they meant it but it sure doesn't seem to me that's what they're implying. Carol hasn't exactly been feeling friendly to Tony lately, especially in Avengers. Maybe it's me.
Could be she's talking about the affection he feels for being her AA sponsor.[/COLOR]
Read through Super-Villain Team-Up #14 and didn't know that Magneto was able to magnetically repel away Iron Man's armor.
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111321350/6084202-1127051-magneto87.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Electricmastro;4724390]Read through Super-Villain Team-Up #14 and didn't know that Magneto was able to magnetically repel away Iron Man's armor.
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111321350/6084202-1127051-magneto87.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Tony's corrected that problem since then I believe.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4724397][COLOR="#000080"]Tony's corrected that problem since then I believe.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
He has. Especially if he knows there’s a chance he might meet up with him.
[QUOTE=MichaelC;4724152]The writer is probably retconning them into being best friends because he wants you to feel bad for poor Carol. Here she is sacrificing a treasured friendship for the greater good. Don't you just feel terrible for poor Carol? Here she is beating Tony to a pulp for the greater good, sacrificing their friendship to help others. Poor, poor Carol.[/QUOTE]
No retconning involved. As others have already pointed out, Tony and Carol are very close friends and have been for years. The narration here is acknowledging that the two of them bicker but reminding people that it doesn't mean they aren't friends. It also provides a context to try and explain away how poorly Jason Aaron writes the Carol/Tony dynamic in AVENGERS. The writers of the IRON MAN and CAPTAIN MARVEL series both know that the two of them are friends, but Aaron seems to have trouble remembering that in AVENGERS.
I'm not sure why so many people seem able to easily accept that Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are close friends, despite the conflict between them in the original CIVIL WAR (and the original "Armor Wars" storyline, and a few other occasions that had them at each other's throats) but can't seem to accept that Tony and Carol are still friends despite what happened in CWII.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4724371][COLOR="#000080"]I hope that's how they meant it but it sure doesn't seem to me that's what they're implying. Carol hasn't exactly been feeling friendly to Tony lately, especially in Avengers. Maybe it's me.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Aaron is somewhat hit-or-miss with his characterizations...and with the women in AVENGERS, he tends to be "miss". It seems like he's done no research on Tony and Carol's relationship beyond CWII so he makes them more hostile to each other than they should be. And don't get me started on his mangling of She-Hulk's character....
[QUOTE=Dermie;4724914]No retconning involved. As others have already pointed out, Tony and Carol are very close friends and have been for years. The narration here is acknowledging that the two of them bicker but reminding people that it doesn't mean they aren't friends. It also provides a context to try and explain away how poorly Jason Aaron writes the Carol/Tony dynamic in AVENGERS. The writers of the IRON MAN and CAPTAIN MARVEL series both know that the two of them are friends, but Aaron seems to have trouble remembering that in AVENGERS.
I'm not sure why so many people seem able to easily accept that Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are close friends, despite the conflict between them in the original CIVIL WAR (and the original "Armor Wars" storyline, and a few other occasions that had them at each other's throats) but can't seem to accept that Tony and Carol are still friends despite what happened in CWII.[/QUOTE]
Good points. I didn’t like that Aaron brushed past their CW 2 brush up but as you said it’s done well in her and Tony’s books.
[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4724283]I would call them close friends. When not civil warring their bickering feels more like supehero brother/sister shenanigans and they've had amicable friction since like, Claremont and Cockrum's Ms. Marvel.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad my sister doesn't through me through walls over a joke (unless Aaron's Carol is supposed to be an anime tsundere) :p.
[QUOTE=Dermie;4724922]Aaron is somewhat hit-or-miss with his characterizations...and with the women in AVENGERS, he tends to be "miss". It seems like he's done no research on Tony and Carol's relationship beyond CWII so he makes them more hostile to each other than they should be. And don't get me started on his mangling of She-Hulk's character....[/QUOTE]
I can agree with this.
[QUOTE=Dermie;4724922]Aaron is somewhat hit-or-miss with his characterizations...and with the women in AVENGERS, he tends to be "miss". It seems like he's done no research on Tony and Carol's relationship beyond CWII so he makes them more hostile to each other than they should be. And don't get me started on his mangling of She-Hulk's character....[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Yeah, I really don't like his She-Hulk characterization. It's like she's a totally different character than before. Even the Jen Walters persona.
Just not feeling it.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4726123][COLOR="#000080"]Yeah, I really don't like his She-Hulk characterization. It's like she's a totally different character than before. Even the Jen Walters persona.
Just not feeling it.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I’m not feeling it either. I can honestly say that there isn’t too much Aaron is doing on Avengers that I am feeling.
[QUOTE=Tony Stark;4728105]I’m not feeling it either. I can honestly say that there isn’t too much Aaron is doing on Avengers that I am feeling.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I liked the vampire arc and the Star-Brand looks interesting.
But his characterizations are off.[/COLOR]