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[QUOTE=Aahz;5202072]Don't know, Kate has still not much of an established relation with any of the "Batgirls" and "Robins", which puts her more at the fringe of the Batfamily (similar to charcters like Luke Fox and Jean-Paul).[/QUOTE]
That's simply not true. She and Barbara are fairly good friends, she literally was on a team with Tim, and she and Jason get along relatively well. I'm not going to say that any of those are the deepest of relationships, but they're far from minor, and Kate leaving the role of Batwoman for whatever reason would not be a small event.
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[QUOTE=Caivu;5202101]That's simply not true. She and Barbara are fairly good friends, she literally was on a team with Tim, and she and Jason get along relatively well. I'm not going to say that any of those are the deepest of relationships, but they're far from minor, and Kate leaving the role of Batwoman for whatever reason would not be a small event.[/QUOTE]
She and Babs are more good co-workers than good friends in my opinion. She and Tim seemed more cordial than close on the 'Tec team.
[QUOTE=Aahz;5202072]Don't know, Kate has still not much of an established relation with any of the "Batgirls" and "Robins", which puts her more at the fringe of the Batfamily (similar to charcters like Luke Fox and Jean-Paul).[/QUOTE]
Well, she, Cass, and Steph were on the same team, and she and Cass were...marginally close?
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[QUOTE=Caivu;5202101]That's simply not true. She and Barbara are fairly good friends, she literally was on a team with Tim, and she and Jason get along relatively well. I'm not going to say that any of those are the deepest of relationships, but they're far from minor, [/QUOTE]In the others have at least a relatively strong relation to some of the others, Kate imo doesn't have that.
That's why I compare her with Luke and Jean-Paul, they also get along with the others, but don't have particularly deep relations or much on panel interactions with them (I mean Luke has even dated Barbara and they don't have much of an established relation).
[QUOTE=Frontier;5202106]Well, she, Cass, and Steph were on the same team, and she and Cass were...marginally close?[/QUOTE]But how much interaction was there between them on panel? IIRC barely any.
There was far more memorable interaction between Cass and Clayface than between Cass and Kate.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5201934]I think having her going back into the military would totally put her into full limbo treatment given it's basically equivalent to retiring her.
I always temper my expectations when people tout a "strong Batfamily."[/QUOTE]
If they ship kate to the military then she can join fellow exile Bette there
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[QUOTE=Caivu;5201980]That's not what I'm saying. I'm not talking about actual family relationships so much.
If Tynion intends for a "robust" Batfamily that's "healing," then having one of those members leave in the middle of that runs counter to that goal; it would actively sabotage it. Kate being Bruce's literal family isn't the point, but [I]would[/I] exacerbate things in that regard. Can you imagine that happening and [I]none[/I] of the others reacting to it at all? Even if it's just something relatively non-drastic like a break? It would be a major event.[/QUOTE]
Well Bruce is already treating his cousins like crap
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I really, REALLY don't want that Kate is replaced. Come on, DC, the Ryan Wilder thing was a stupid decision from the beginning, just let the CW deal with it.
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[QUOTE=Aahz;5202072]Don't know, Kate has still not much of an established relation with any of the "Batgirls" and "Robins", which puts her more at the fringe of the Batfamily (similar to charcters like Luke Fox and Jean-Paul).[/QUOTE]
She has a strong relationship with Tim, Dick, Cass, Steph, and Bette. That's 3 Robins and 3 Batgirls.
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[QUOTE=Aramis;5202299]I really, REALLY don't want that Kate is replaced. Come on, DC, the Ryan Wilder thing was a stupid decision from the beginning, just let the CW deal with it.[/QUOTE]
I actually am interested in Ryan
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Some ideas:
She teams up with the Question and takes the name Miss Tery/Mystery
She teams up with Mr. Terrific and becomes Miss Terrific
She takes a job as security at Arkham Asylum or Blackgate
She becomes pregnant
A mystery villain attacked her and put into a coma and now the Batfamily or just Wilder has to figure out who did it
She infiltrates a crime organization (Royal Flush Gang, Court of Owls, etc...) as her socialite self.
A scientist kidnaps her and experiments on her
She dies and travels through time
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[QUOTE=Mutant God;5202315]Some ideas:
She teams up with the Question and takes the name Miss Tery/Mystery
She teams up with Mr. Terrific and becomes Miss Terrific
She takes a job as security at Arkham Asylum or Blackgate
She becomes pregnant
A mystery villain attacked her and put into a coma and now the Batfamily or just Wilder has to figure out who did it
She infiltrates a crime organization (Royal Flush Gang, Court of Owls, etc...) as her socialite self.
A scientist kidnaps her and experiments on her
She dies and travels through time[/QUOTE]
I vote for the Question teacup
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[QUOTE=Tsukiakari1203;5202300]She has a strong relationship with Tim, Dick, Cass, Steph, and Bette. That's 3 Robins and 3 Batgirls.[/QUOTE]
The only one I'd really call strong is Bette and Bettie also pretty peripheral to the rest of the Batfamily.
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[QUOTE=Mutant God;5202315]Some ideas:
She teams up with the Question and takes the name Miss Tery/Mystery
She teams up with Mr. Terrific and becomes Miss Terrific
She takes a job as security at Arkham Asylum or Blackgate
She becomes pregnant
A mystery villain attacked her and put into a coma and now the Batfamily or just Wilder has to figure out who did it
She infiltrates a crime organization (Royal Flush Gang, Court of Owls, etc...) as her socialite self.
A scientist kidnaps her and experiments on her
She dies and travels through time[/QUOTE]
wouldn't hate
Not a fan since they just had Ms Terrific pop up in the Terrifics and I would hope when/if she comes back she'll do that again. plus, I don't think she fits the Terrific's vibe
Security seems too menial, why not have her run the joint? I would be down for that, and it 1000% keeps her around because you always need Arkham and Blackgate.
that....seems like it would be problematic.
coma, next to death, seem like worst possible way to take her off the board; especially as a way to prop up Bruce or Ryan or the family overall. I would see that narrative work for a disappearance (like they're apparently doing on the show) rather than a coma.
Infiltration seems too short term
getting experimented on by a mad scientist could yield some interesting results given (again not a Kate expert) that Batwoman appears to lean more toward the more gothic, occult, and quasi-supernatural aesthetics; she was just in Gotham City Monsters.
(see coma)
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5202354]The only one I'd really call strong is Bette and Bettie also pretty peripheral to the rest of the Batfamily.[/QUOTE]
Poor Bette, let her bond with her family.
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[QUOTE=lemonpeace;5202357]getting experimented on by a mad scientist could yield some interesting results given (again not a Kate expert) that Batwoman appears to lean more toward the more gothic, occult, and quasi-supernatural aesthetics; she was just in Gotham City Monsters.[/QUOTE]
Kate having mystical powers would be cool!
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[QUOTE=Caivu;5201980]Kate being Bruce's literal family isn't the point, but [I]would[/I] exacerbate things in that regard. Can you imagine that happening and [I]none[/I] of the others reacting to it at all? Even if it's just something relatively non-drastic like a break? It would be a major event.
Who knows how successful that intention will end up being, but I don't think Tynion would deliberately make it harder by doing that, especially as someone with a recent and fairly lengthy tenure on the character.[/QUOTE]
The same writer who had Clayface die, then had him inexplicably alive again after the fallout, in the same arc?
The same company who had Julia Pennyworth absent from her own father's funeral? She didn't even get a mention in 'Pennyworth RIP'. :p