so if a solo MCU movie was produced, who would be the villain(s)?
would we have a teen johnny to coincide with teen Peter?
...has the Torch ever fought vampires?
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so if a solo MCU movie was produced, who would be the villain(s)?
would we have a teen johnny to coincide with teen Peter?
...has the Torch ever fought vampires?
[CENTER][SIZE=5][COLOR="#FF0000"][I]Strange Tales #103[/I] Dec 1962[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The Human Torch stars in "Prisoner of the 5th Dimension!" [/SIZE]
When newly built houses in the area have been found to sink into their foundations, Reed Richards sends Johnny to go and investigate.
What Johnny stumbles upon is somebody from the 5th Dimension, who has been involved in these incidents.
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When Johnny learns the truth, he finds himself suddenly transported to the 5th Dimension.
In the 5th Dimension, Johnny is taken before Zemu a dictator who rules the dimension and plots to take over Earth,
and he discovers that the area where the houses were being built is where they materialize when they travel to Earth's dimension.
Put in a wet prison to prevent his flame powers, Johnny is freed by Valeria who is the daughter of Phineas, who used to be the ruler before Zemu overthrew his rule.
With the help of the Human Torch, the people of the 5th Dimension are able to overthrow Zemu and retake their realm.
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After Johnny returns home, he has trouble focusing on his study because his thoughts keep on turning to Valeria.
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[B]Plot[/B] by Stan Lee, [B]script[/B] by Larry Lieber, [B]pencils[/B] by Jack Kirby, [B]inks[/B] by Dick Ayers.[/CENTER]
Could Johnny swim through lava? I've always wondered.
[QUOTE=Crimz;3355804]Could Johnny swim through lava? I've always wondered.[/QUOTE]
If he can't get burned when not flamed on, then maybe. I imagine it would be a thick almost quicksand like material. Flamed on, he's have no problem with the heat, but wouldn't he be too light to sink deep enough into the lava to actually swim?
Wait, if he's lighter than air, how does he flame on (Reed's done stuff to allow him to flame on there) underwater and not shoot to the surface?
Comic book super powers and science make my head hurt much.
I like to not think too hard about the logic behind comic superpowers.
I wonder what's the maximum heat Johnny can take when not flamed on.
I loved some of those old stories (I saw them in their original publishing). Especially his feud with the Wizard, who for me, as a child, was very creepy looking, not like he came to look later on in the FF.
I loved the one where he got Sue to help him foil the Wizard by using her Invisibility to trick Wizard into thinking he could move things with his mind. Classic!
A sequel of sorts was in the FF, around #158, Johnny remet Valeria, very minor sparks, but he gave her some more attention. Always wished he 'd have followed up; it was only a short time after Quicksilver married Crystal.
But as I recall this adventure also ended up strengthening Sue's powers with a device she used. (or maybe it was the next issue or two?)
So question to Torch fans: Read Marvel Two-in-One recently l, loved it but I'm generally raising an eyebrow at this plot point of Johnny losing his powers since this just happened during James Robinson's run of the book. Now not having read a whole lot of F4 I gotta ask: is this plot point just a frequent plot for Johnny same as how Ben dealing with his form or not?
[QUOTE=DJ1107;3355995]So question to Torch fans: Read Marvel Two-in-One recently l, loved it but I'm generally raising an eyebrow at this plot point of Johnny losing his powers since this just happened during James Robinson's run of the book. Now not having read a whole lot of F4 I gotta ask: is this plot point just a frequent plot for Johnny same as how Ben dealing with his form or not?[/QUOTE]
It hasn't been. Reed's lost his powers in the past (issues 180s and 190s) but I'd have to look up how that happened to see if those occurrences might be related. Maybe it's something, maybe it isn't. It seems like melodrama to me and an extra that's recently been done not adding much to a story which should be more personal (IMO)..
[QUOTE=DJ1107;3355995]So question to Torch fans: Read Marvel Two-in-One recently l, loved it but I'm generally raising an eyebrow at this plot point of Johnny losing his powers since this just happened during James Robinson's run of the book. Now not having read a whole lot of F4 I gotta ask: is this plot point just a frequent plot for Johnny same as how Ben dealing with his form or not?[/QUOTE]
Not that I can remember, the FF usually lose their powers as team if anything. I think him losing his powers is because of his emotional state, out of the FF, Johnny's powers are the most tied to his emotions.
Is he sure Rogue isn't to blame? They are starting to get close in Avengers. Maybe she accidentally absorbed some of his power. There's been no hint of any power loss in Uncanny Avengers though.
why did Johnny start dating Medusa? how did Crystal feel about this? Was it ever serious with Medusa?
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3356969]why did Johnny start dating Medusa? how did Crystal feel about this? Was it ever serious with Medusa?[/QUOTE]
First & Third Question: Medusa's was dating Johnny mostly out of spite against Black Bolt due to the events of Inhumanity.
2nd Question: Crystal probably didn't care. She's been through about 2 other love interests since Johnny (Though debatably he probably was still the better one) so really why care?
Crystal did care.
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3356969]why did Johnny start dating Medusa? how did Crystal feel about this? Was it ever serious with Medusa?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DJ1107;3356993]First & Third Question: Medusa's was dating Johnny mostly out of spite against Black Bolt due to the events of Inhumanity.
2nd Question: Crystal probably didn't care. She's been through about 2 other love interests since Johnny (Though debatably he probably was still the better one) so really why care?[/QUOTE]
Medusa didn't get with Johnny out of spite, Johnny was depressed because of his family was missing and Medusa was depressed and angry with Black Bolt because he abandoned her to deal with the aftermath of the Terrigen Bomb. Johnny and Medusa only got together when BB and Medusa separated/divorced. Misery loves company :) they found solace in each other but it was short lived. By the way Crystal did very much care
An Ex finding someone else isn't always a big deal. Finding someone who is your sister; that's a big deal.
As for Johnny, both Medusa and Lyja (who was disguised as Alicia) show him to be less than stellar in who he chooses. I love the FF, but Johnny's choices are pretty scummy here. No points, hell, negative points!
I just noticed that Johnny is always getting dumped, he never is the one doing the dumping. It's funny when people think he's this big heart-breaker when he's the one always getting his heart broken.
Yep on that. Very much true for the most part, Dorrie Evans, Crystal, Frankie, Lyja/Alicia (sorta), etc.
Having been married and divorced(?) at least once, he will always have that in his profile too. But Johnny is a sort of innocent or happy go lucky (in love) type. That is why the original Johnny/Crystal romance was very much the best, true, young, innocent, sad, tragic - like Romeo and Juliet.
They'll never go there again, I think, but I always wished, he and Crystal could find their way to each other again.
Yes folks.......Johnny Storm/Human Torch is seen [spoil][U]And isn't frozen like some of the Avengers[/U][/spoil] within Today's [I][B]AVENGERS (: NO SURRENDER) #675[/B][/I].
Is it worth the read? I'm usually not an Avengers fan, but really liked Uncanny Avengers.
I'd read it even if Johnny wasn't there. Exciting stuff!
[QUOTE=Oberon;3357895]Yep on that. Very much true for the most part, Dorrie Evans, Crystal, Frankie, Lyja/Alicia (sorta), etc.
Having been married and divorced(?) at least once, he will always have that in his profile too. But Johnny is a sort of innocent or happy go lucky (in love) type. That is why the original Johnny/Crystal romance was very much the best, true, young, innocent, sad, tragic - like Romeo and Juliet.
They'll never go there again, I think, but I always wished, he and Crystal could find their way to each other again.[/QUOTE]well, this comics so who knows? It could still happen one day.
I read Avengers Surrender and it's interesting, so I'll continue reading it. I hope Johnny has a decent role in it (unlike Ben who was barely in Secret Empire).
I recall reading that Johnny would have a big role.. so I'm excited to read it.
Cool I didn't know that, that's even more incentive for me to continue. I wonder what role he plays?
[QUOTE=Crimz;3371209]Cool I didn't know that, that's even more incentive for me to continue. I wonder what role he plays?[/QUOTE]
.....There's a Sneak Peek of [I][B]AVENGERS #676[/B][/I] posted [URL="http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-avengers-no-surrender-rewrites-key-moments-in-marvel-history"]here[/URL].
[QUOTE=PaxHouse;3371219].....There's a Sneak Peek of [I][B]AVENGERS #676[/B][/I] posted [URL="http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-avengers-no-surrender-rewrites-key-moments-in-marvel-history"]here[/URL].[/QUOTE]
It seems very wrong...
When did ben first discover that Johnny was dating Alicia (Lyja)?
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3372190]When did ben first discover that Johnny was dating Alicia (Lyja)?[/QUOTE]
FF #277. Ben returns from Battleworld, goes to Alicia's apartment....and Johnny answers the door, half-naked.
In addition to Today's [I][B]AVENGERS #676[/B][/I]; Johnny was also seen within [I][B]PETER PARKER: SPECTALUCAR SPIDER-MAN #299[/B][/I].
299. And of course he was, he's regular supporting cast in Spec.
What are the limits of Johnny's cold immunity? Especially when not on fire?
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[QUOTE=Crimz;3389900]What are the limits of Johnny's cold immunity? Especially when not on fire?[/QUOTE]
my speculation is that if he's, say, asleep, he'd be more vulnerable, unless there's some sort of unconscious body-temp control power.. but if he's awake, I'm thinking he can actively control his body heat where cold weather wouldn't affect him, even though he didn't have to be on fire.
Iceman, Hydro-man, living Lightning, and others all can become their respective elements and mitigate damage.
Does anyone think that Johnny may be able become fire itself like quite a few elemental heroes (and villains) do? Or would you want him to not go that route?
[QUOTE=Crimz;3401180]Iceman, Hydro-man, living Lightning, and others all can become their respective elements and mitigate damage.
Does anyone think that Johnny may be able become fire itself like quite a few elemental heroes (and villains) do? Or would you want him to not go that route?[/QUOTE]
On the one hand, that would certainly differentiate him from the dozen or so other fire-users in the Marvel Universe (Jim Hammond, Toro, Inferno, Sunstreak, Firelord, Match, etc.), but I'm not sure Johnny needs any sort of 'power up' or change to make him more like Iceman (who has fairly recently, as comic book time goes, developed the ability to turn into ice, and not just cover his body with snow and ice).
He's already pretty awesome, and lacking a real 'defensive' power (other than the ability to melt bullets before they hit him or whatever) kind of keeps him challenged, and requires him to move around and try to evade attacks, rather than just float there and be a human target. I prefer dynamic action, with characters moving around a lot (and therefore characters like Nightcrawler will always be my favorites, but also Spider-Man and Daredevil and various other characters that move around a lot on the page), and Johnny being able to assume a form that's invulnerable to a lot of effects seems like it might lead to more of a static presence on the battlefield, where he just sort of floats there and spins and shoots, which sounds visually unexciting to me (even if it might *look* badass, just ignoring incoming fire while laying it down...).
'Fire' would also represent more of a chemical reaction than an energy type (that said, this is a comic book universe where you can have creatures made out of 'solid sound' or whatever nonsense...), which could come with it's own funkiness. Would he transform into some sort of energetic plasma that is on fire? Would that work in space, or underwater? (Cause it's his own body mass turning into the plasma, so air might no longer be a thing that's needed to 'fuel' his 'fire.') Could his 'fire body' be absorbed or extinguished (and would that be fatal, or just cause him to be trapped, or forcibly reverted to flesh and blood)?
It's certainly something to think about, and despite my reservations, I could see arguments for and against.
Yeah I can also see both points of view. I'm honestly of two minds about myself, that's why I posted the question.
On one hand it would be a cool powerup and fit how Marvel makes their elementals intangible. But on the other it would ruin any possible danger in stories, which is a problem I have with Iceman.
I think the best way to do it is if there were drawbacks to him becoming intangible. Because his powers are inherently more volatile than Iceman or Hydro-man's, it may take up most of his energy just to maintain it to the point where he almost dies afterwards. It would make it a great trump card in very difficult situations, but he can't use it often because of the severe drawbacks. Kinda like what his Nova flame but for defensive purposes.
Huh, it took me only now to join this thread when he's my favorite superhero and Crimz's opening art is the source of my avatar.
Here's another Johnny solo cover.
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Is he supposed to be melting the trade dress there?
Yep, the whole cover is melted. To foreshadow him going nova in the issue, with terrible results.