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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3362506]New York spent a year in the dark dimension. [/QUOTE]Secret Empire? That was a few weeks, not a year.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3362506]I honestly feel like tie-ins hurt book sales these days. And they're distracting for stories that don't want to deal with the continuity of others. Personally, I like when stories take the time to figure out where they fit in so this bugs me, but it hardly feels like it's a mistake. New York spent a year in the dark dimension. Should Soule's Daredevil have tied in to that? Maybe. It could even have supported his current Mayor Fisk storyline because Fisk did a lot to earn goodwill. It also would have padded issue numbers so Daredevil #600 wouldn't be the issue they want it to be. Likewise, Bendis's Defenders could have tied in, but they're sort of in their first arc of what became a Maxi series. It would have disrupted the story and the timing of everything.[/QUOTE]
[B]Thing is, this would of majorly affected the current season of Bp especially since Faustus was also featured and he got punked in SE and has since disappeared from BP ongoing. I feel that the tie in would of benefitted BP in this case and probably bridged more Goodwill for Coates[/B]
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For me panther was the hero who came off best in his work against the secret empire just coz his attitude was spot on for me
Sure he took a hit too, but that's still a great scene he had, best part of the event for me
Would have liked him to grab the hammer and throw it to steve to belt hydra cap with or take him down with it himself
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More back on topic I'm curious what newer readers think is the best part of this ANAD part of Marvel's history, and what they shud absolutely keep going forward
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[QUOTE=kilderkin;3362571]For me panther was the hero who came off best in his work against the secret empire just coz his attitude was spot on for me
Sure he took a hit too, but that's still a great scene he had, best part of the event for me
Would have liked him to grab the hammer and throw it to steve to belt hydra cap with or take him down with it himself[/QUOTE]
[B]He did. Unfortunately, like time runs out, it was off panel[/B]
[QUOTE=kilderkin;3362576]More back on topic I'm curious what newer readers think is the best part of this ANAD part of Marvel's history, and what they shud absolutely keep going forward[/QUOTE]
[B]I thought the shake up/ addition of new teams was a good idea like the Ultimates and SS. They are groups that are outside the Avengers but give homes to Characters that don't get used as much, or in Ultimates case, a chance to assemble the most powerful super hero team,
and allow them to cut loose without fear because the threat's faced were off Cosmic and huge threats to earth. Allowing more Carnage and destruction but then also affecting the rest of the universe because of their destructive power.
I still feel the is a place for Ultimates still as well as SS and they could serve as team books to place more niche Characters as well as some more familiar ones too.
As long as they don't go overboard with the names (no need for Avengers, new Avengers, uncanny Avengers, USA Avengers, occupy Avengers, and west coast Avenger's) of certain teams. Avenger's New Avengers and uncanny Avengers are enough and should be what marvel takes from this initiative. The addition of legacy Characters should of been to compliment the originals. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3362625][B]He did. Unfortunately, like time runs out, it was off panel[/B]
[B]I thought the shake up/ addition of new teams was a good idea like the Ultimates and SS. They are groups that are outside the Avengers but give homes to Characters that don't get used as much, or in Ultimates case, a chance to assemble the most powerful super hero team,
and allow them to cut loose without fear because the threat's faced were off Cosmic and huge threats to earth. Allowing more Carnage and destruction but then also affecting the rest of the universe because of their destructive power.
I still feel the is a place for Ultimates still as well as SS and they could serve as team books to place more niche Characters as well as some more familiar ones too.
As long as they don't go overboard with the names (no need for Avengers, new Avengers, uncanny Avengers, USA Avengers, occupy Avengers, and west coast Avenger's) of certain teams. Avenger's New Avengers and uncanny Avengers are enough and should be what marvel takes from this initiative. The addition of legacy Characters should of been to compliment the originals. [/B][/QUOTE]
I loved the ultimates
just to check, are you saying panther picked up Mjölnir in secret empire?
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[QUOTE=kilderkin;3362679]I loved the ultimates
just to check, are you saying panther picked up Mjölnir in secret empire?[/QUOTE]
[B]Sorry I meant his good showing and Victory over Steve was off panel. Not picking up the hammer.
I want Ultimates back with a new purpose (destroying threats to earth) and some be members on the team. Adam Monica adn T'Challa can stay, the others can be replaced and added members[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3362747][B]Sorry I meant his good showing and Victory over Steve was off panel. Not picking up the hammer.
I want Ultimates back with a new purpose (destroying threats to earth) and some be members on the team. Adam Monica adn T'Challa can stay, the others can be replaced and added members[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok thanks
I'd love that ultimates to return, I'm happy with that line up with some additional characters,
I'd like to see more of the recent quasar and maybe a nova
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;3362143]6 years, April 2000 to April 2006.
[url]http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batgirl_Vol_1[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for mentioning that. Somehow overlooked that detail. :p
[QUOTE=kilderkin;3362576]More back on topic I'm curious what newer readers think is the best part of this ANAD part of Marvel's history, and what they shud absolutely keep going forward[/QUOTE]
The legacy characters and having POC characters play major roles.
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[QUOTE=Assam;3362762]Thanks for mentioning that. Somehow overlooked that detail. :p
The legacy characters and having POC characters play major roles.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see a solid team book keeping a lot of them at the fore
I would like miles to lead a marvel team up like book with alternative legacy guests like Parker used to do
Riri to move away from the stark mythos and maybe be a tech broker for the newer heros
more than anything, keep them active and relevant
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There will be plenty of good books in Marvel's future (there always has been and always be)
The problem is with the issue to issue books.
There the fumbles are to much and some how tarnish the many hits.
For me personally, I have found waiting for the book to be collected that has
worked.
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[QUOTE=My Two Cents;3362809]There will be plenty of good books in Marvel's future (there always has been and always be)
The problem is with the issue to issue books.
There the fumbles are to much and some how tarnish the many hits.
For me personally, I have found waiting for the book to be collected that has
worked.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a good point
There's almost no marvel book I'm desperate to see what happens next but as a whole story's I still enjoy
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I started Buying Marvel comics regularly in the ANAD Era (before I read trades from the Libary and I bought trades) I am going to continue buying Marvel comics when it returns to "Status Quo" because I honestly like most of the "Status Quo" characters more than the characters who replaced them.
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I just bought my first comic (Phoenix Resurrection), since Ultimates2 wrapped up. I will follow the series for now, but I'm jumping ship at the first sign of a Jean+Logan relationship or a Jean+Cyclops reunion. Phoenix Resurrection keeps me in the game, but it's not the cosmic story that I crave. I'm here for now, but unless a Blue Marvel or Monica Rambeau-type cosmic character shows up in any of the various titles, my stay won't be for very long. I'll lurk and read everyone's reviews.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3362114]Actually Wakanda represents quite a bit. One it represents ab advanced African nation untouched by European colonization, and allowed to flourish unabated by Western influences and has kept it's unique culture. It also represents a nation that allows science and religion to coexist in harmony while allowing the people the freedom to practice their own beliefs or live how they want to. Yes Tchalla is the Monarch but as shown over The years there is a parliament in place that can make decisions when he isn't around (in some series they had the power to supercede him) but overall, he takes in his advisors suggestions and makes his decisions.
The ethnocentric view is based on the fact that, unlike the rest of the world, Wakanda doesn't withhold resources from it's people. Free health care, free education, and they strive to make sure everyone is taking care of. Another reason why they also stayed in isolation and did not open trade. The rest of the world thinks of profits instead of the betterment of their people. BP is not even close to a supervillain at all. The closest at all would be maybe antihero.
And no the reason BP didn't catch on is because of racism. Both from the fan bases and marvel itself. When BP was reinvented to mirror his original introduction to Marvel (advanced nation that had Reed Richards blushing at the advanced tech) Unfans went ballistic. People who didn't read BP we're upset because he had essentially a iphone back in 1998, and said he should essentially be Tarzan in spandex.
And look at the hype and excited around his movie. 2nd most anticipated movie of 2018 behind infinity war. Most anticipated standalone super hero movie of 2018.. BP relates to American audiences, specifically Black communities. Because it shows what Hollywood and other media fails to show. Black People not needing help from White saviors, or only shown as thugs, slaves, or troubled people..
BP didn't connect in the comics as much because Marvel didn't push him like other heroes. He has a dedicated audience, he needs to be more prominent in the MU plain adn simple[/QUOTE]
Supposedly utopian societies like Wakanda never sit well with audiences. Popular culture is filled with stories about seemingly perfect lands with an undercurrent of evil below the surface, that the price of utopia is usually totalitarian control or a population that’s dead inside and lacks the full range of human emotions. Suffice to say, it doesn’t take long to see the flaws in Wakanda, all power is concentrated in the hereditary position of the Black Panther and the people are brainwashed to believe that the outside world doesn’t exist. Wakanda is a bubble, a stagnant and myopic world that could never achieve the technological heights attributed to it without cheats like ‘Vibranium’ and literal divine intervention to compensate.
This makes T’Challa himself a decidedly awkward superhero in Marvel’s line-up. This is a man who hails from an insular culture, deliberately isolated from the experience of the African continent and one who fiercely rejects Western ideas about the democratic process and the separation of state powers. Black Panther should be a supervillain, with the way that he jealously hordes Wakandan technology and looks upon the rest of the world with a mix of scorn and disgust. I mean, at least Doctor Doom is honest about who he is and the way that he runs Latveria; up until post-Secret Wars anyway. T’Challa is just a hypocrite, using the goodwill of the Marvel universe to keep Wakanda trapped in a feudal existence.
As for the whole ANAD era, I think that Marvel simply forget who Black Panther really was as a character. ANDA treated Black Panther like a street level hero, trying to fill the same role as Luke Cage. The trouble is that T’Challa has nothing in common with Luke Cage, they are from two completely different worlds and strata of society. Marvel might as well have tried to do the same with a Saudi Arabian Prince or a member of the Chinese Politburo, T’Challa is closer to those elites then he could ever be with Luke Cage. That’s why Black Panther and the crew failed, Black Panther is not a related superhero. T’Challa is the definition of privilege in a starkly unequal world.