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LMAO that Kent dialogue is hilarious. Has Miller ever met anyone from Kansas before? They talk like they’re the ones from another planet. Yeah this is going to be controversial.
[QUOTE=The World;4360384]Honestly I'm down for stuff like this and in general I'm enjoying the idea of Clark being a weird and strange guy. The regular guy shtick for Superman was always suppose to be just that a shtick, Supes was suppose to be a guy who's abnormalities and differences were an asset to the world even if they made him stand out. That's all been reverse in the modern world with him being a "regular guy with powers" which really just says "hey I' have no interesting qualities as a character". Akira Toriyama and the Japanese comic book market in general has pretty much disproved all of this on the back of a much more successful and robust comic book market than our own.
Superman is never going to out normal Batman, Spiderman, Jason Bourne whatever. No point in even trying, let the guy be strange.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I like Clark being a weirdo, and I like when they play up his alien side as well. But he should think of himself as human imo, even if he’s not.
[QUOTE=OpaqueGiraffe17;4360414]For what it’s worth, prior to Flashpoint, Batman Year One was considered canon to both the main canon and the dark knight returnsverse.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Batman: Year One was recognized as a classic from the first issue. If this were to somehow sell gangbusters and become widely loved, [I]maybe[/I] DC would make it canon. But it looks like it’s going to be controversial, so I don’t see DC bringing this into canon.
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[QUOTE=OpaqueGiraffe17;4360414]For what it’s worth, prior to Flashpoint, Batman Year One was considered canon to both the main canon and the dark knight returnsverse.[/QUOTE]
[I]Year One[/I] was originally serialized in the main Batman book, though. It was written specifically to be the main origin. This is a stand alone mini. He was also a much better writer back then. At this point I think DC is just indulging his whims. The best I can hope for from this in terms of the main Super-books is that it might inspire DC to give the [I]Rebirth[/I] Superman powers as a toddler but that dialogue! I'm seriously considering not getting it over that. [B]WOW![/B] If they are going to keep giving him work, it looks like the [I]DK3[/I] model is the way to go. Have a "handler" on him to keep his worst impulses in check.
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[QUOTE=Yoda;4359797]I think he was x-raying his head in that scene[/QUOTE]
Well, now we know how the Kents died. Brain tumors.
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[QUOTE=superduperman;4360463]Well, now we know how the Kents died. Brain tumors.[/QUOTE]
You know, I wouldn't put it past Miller to actually do that.
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[QUOTE=The World;4360384]Honestly I'm down for stuff like this and in general I'm enjoying the idea of Clark being a weird and strange guy. The regular guy shtick for Superman was always suppose to be just that a shtick, Supes was suppose to be a guy who's abnormalities and differences were an asset to the world even if they made him stand out. That's all been reverse in the modern world with him being a "regular guy with powers" which really just says "hey I' have no interesting qualities as a character". Akira Toriyama and the Japanese comic book market in general has pretty much disproved all of this on the back of a much more successful and robust comic book market than our own. [/quote]
The work of Toriyama, DB if we're honest because the popularity of his other comic works combined isn't in the same stratosphere, is pretty apples to oranges. One of the few reasons DB can even come up is because of the popularity boost it received when it riffed on Superman.
Superman survives without Siegel or Shuster in a way we haven't seen possible with DB and its creator. They stick his name on products just so they aren't doomed. It's so different that I don't really see how this reflects on what Miller is doing. The duality at least sounds straightforward.
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Really not a fan of the idea of baby Clark probing Jonathan's brain, less so that he can somehow knowingly manipulate him at such a young age. Not a very good look for a character who is supposed to be an altruistic, fundamentally good person.
But it's not terrible so far, even if I'm unsold on JRJR's pencils. May actually pick up the first issue when beforehand I was decidedly not interested. We'll see how word of mouth goes.
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[QUOTE=Robanker;4360618]Really not a fan of the idea of baby Clark probing Jonathan's brain, less so that he can somehow knowingly manipulate him at such a young age. [B]Not a very good look for a character who is supposed to be an altruistic, fundamentally good person.[/B]
But it's not terrible so far, even if I'm unsold on JRJR's pencils. May actually pick up the first issue when beforehand I was decidedly not interested. We'll see how word of mouth goes.[/QUOTE]
It’s Miller. None of his heroes are that, not even Batman, and this Origin is for a version of Superman who ends up being the government’s lapdog. This version of Superman will probably be [I]very[/I] flawed, intentionally or not.
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[QUOTE=superduperman;4360452][I]Year One[/I] was originally serialized in the main Batman book, though. It was written specifically to be the main origin. This is a stand alone mini. He was also a much better writer back then. At this point I think DC is just indulging his whims. The best I can hope for from this in terms of the main Super-books is that it might inspire DC to give the [I]Rebirth[/I] Superman powers as a toddler but that dialogue! I'm seriously considering not getting it over that. [B]WOW![/B] If they are going to keep giving him work, it looks like the [I]DK3[/I] model is the way to go. Have a "handler" on him to keep his worst impulses in check.[/QUOTE]
I felt like this would be a train wreck from day one! Seems early reports support that. Miller needs to stay away from mainstream DC characters and JRJR needs to take some art classes. He is on my top 5 "worst artists" list.
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I haven't read the book and I'm not going to, but am I to understand that the flying superfast guy joins the navy because he's unfamiliar with water? As opposed to, say, flying to some?
Also, any version of Superman in any military isn't Superman, sorry Frank.
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[QUOTE=greatmetropolitan;4361029]I haven't read the book and I'm not going to, but am I to understand that the flying superfast guy joins the navy because he's unfamiliar with water? As opposed to, say, flying to some?
Also, any version of Superman in any military isn't Superman, sorry Frank.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm not getting that. Does the military not perform physicals in that universe? How many times do they have to try to draw his blood before they figure out they can't?
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Another preview: [url]https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-superman-year-one-1-preview-frank-miller-john-romita-jr/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4361087]Another preview: [url]https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-superman-year-one-1-preview-frank-miller-john-romita-jr/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks.
That..read a bit better actually.
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[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4361087]Another preview: [url]https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-superman-year-one-1-preview-frank-miller-john-romita-jr/[/url][/QUOTE]
This one's not as bad as the last one. I'm glad he's friends with the outcast kids. Don't think I'll ever get used to Miller dialogue though.
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[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4361087]Another preview: [url]https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-superman-year-one-1-preview-frank-miller-john-romita-jr/[/url][/QUOTE]
The Kents still sound goofy, and the narration is still a bit much. But the kids dialogue is OK, still doesn't sound very natural. And seeing a toxic masculinity line comes out of left field for a Frank Miller book. Not sure of his take on Clark. Tentatively, it reads ok, but there's some weird bits that I'm gonna need to see where he goes with it.
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The Kents really seem to be the weakest part of this. They're written like what a big city person thinks farmers in the mid-west sound like. Miller dialogue in general is always over the top to begin with. At least in the last twenty years. This is why I think he needs someone else to execute his ideas better than he can. There are some good ideas in here, they are just written poorly. He's sort of like George Lucas in that regard. Let someone else take your ideas and run with them. Clean them up a bit. We're a long way from [I]Batman: Year One.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Vordan;4360748]It’s Miller. None of his heroes are that, not even Batman, and this Origin is for a version of Superman who ends up being the government’s lapdog. This version of Superman will probably be [I]very[/I] flawed, intentionally or not.[/QUOTE]
I mean this more with respect to the editors, who have the job of sheparding the IP. This is the sort of thing that should be reigned in. Alas, they seem to go to sleep when Frank is involved.
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Just read the preview pages...yep, as bad as I thought it would be. Frank really needs to retire! And I've said it a million times over, but JRJR's artwork is horrible. He cannot draw a face at all! Everything just looks so amateurish with that guy. Easy pass on this book for me (which sucks because I typically buy any/every Superman and Batman book). Miller's All Star Batman was the first Batman title that I ever quit during it's initial run. Prior to that book I had every physical copy of every Batman and Superman book going back to the 70's. I just couldn't tolerate that book (even though it had outstanding Jim Lee artwork). The book was just terribly written.
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Well that's disappointing. That first preview had me hoping it'd keep up a solid ratio of surprisingly inspired to hilariously bad, but it looks like this is mainly just gonna be dull dull dull, nevermind having teens unironically say gee whiz (not even in a Superman comic folks, at least not as presented here). I'll still check it out of the library at some point, but it looks like that first bit was likely a fluke. And yeah, JRJr is Not Good at drawing kids, much as I'm loving his landscapes in here.
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I will probably check out the first issue and decide how to precede from there. But my initial excitement has been tamped down by the dialogue. I wonder what part of Smallville he's going to name after a Ayn Rand character.
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If it’s awful let’s hope for ASBAR insanity rather than it being simply dull. Yeah letting modern day Miller write Superman on his own was always going to be a leap of faith, but I still have a morbid sense of excitement about all this.
[QUOTE=superduperman;4361458]I will probably check out the first issue and decide how to precede from there. But my initial excitement has been tamped down by the dialogue. I wonder what part of Smallville he's going to name after a Ayn Rand character.[/QUOTE]
LMFAO holy **** if this were to actually happen.
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IGN with an advance review that has a lot of spoilers and is pretty brutal on Miller. Gives it a 5.7 out of 10.
[url]https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/05/16/dc-gives-supermans-origin-a-troubling-overhaul-superman-year-one-1-review[/url]
[Spoil] apparently there's a shocking scene at the end that is pretty violent and brutal that seems out of character or out of place for a Superman story[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=Yoda;4361524]IGN with an advance review that has a lot of spoilers and is pretty brutal on Miller. Gives it a 5.7 out of 10.
[url]https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/05/16/dc-gives-supermans-origin-a-troubling-overhaul-superman-year-one-1-review[/url]
[Spoil] apparently there's a shocking scene at the end that is pretty violent and brutal that seems out of character for Superman[/spoil][/QUOTE]
But not out of character for Miller.
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[QUOTE=Yoda;4361524]IGN with an advance review that has a lot of spoilers and is pretty brutal on Miller. Gives it a 5.7 out of 10.
[url]https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/05/16/dc-gives-supermans-origin-a-troubling-overhaul-superman-year-one-1-review[/url]
[Spoil] apparently there's a shocking scene at the end that is pretty violent and brutal that seems out of character or out of place for a Superman story[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;gPgtMahFiJM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPgtMahFiJM[/video]
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[QUOTE] Miller has always seemed drawn to the Golden Age version of Superman - a hero who was less interested in battling gaudy supervillains than delivering wish-fulfillment fantasies about beating up slumlords, gangsters and serial abusers. That’s basically what unfolds in this issue, as Clark becomes a mentor/bodyguard to the outcasts and misfits of his school and butts heads with a group of bullies apparently so ferocious they have school officials and even local law enforcement looking the other way [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Not only that, Clark's grand epiphany isn't a Superman-worthy "violence isn't the solution," but rather, "When violence fails, employ more violence." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] By the time Clark comes of age, you don’t get the sense of him having that fully formed morality and sense of decency his parents are meant to instill. Maybe that’s the point, but it's always worrying to see a version of Superman who lacks that firm moral compass. [/QUOTE]
These bits from the IGN review have me very interested to check this out again. If you’re a fan of the Boy Scout Clark it sounds like this will just anger you, but as a fan of Morrison’s Superman origin, I kinda like Clark not starting out as the perfect angel. I like Superman starting out, to be blunt, as an a****** and then eventually maturing into the “proper” Superman. And while people tend to occasionally play around with Supes’ intellect or exploring him as a pacifist like Kelly/Casey did, 9/10 Superman [B]does[/B] solve his problems by punching them harder or by using more violence. So it’s hard to fault Miller for simply following others in that regard.
But I also don’t know if Miller is capable of actually even giving us that “proper” Superman. His Kents seem to be idiotic hicks and as IGN points out, his Superman in the past can be summed up at best as an all powerful idiot with a fascist streak to oppose MillerBats genius with a fascist streak. Miller seems to believe Superman works best when he rejects the idea of conforming to [I]anyone’s[/I] rules and does whatever he wants to do. That’s basically how DKSA Superman ended up until they reversed that with DKIII
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[QUOTE=Vordan;4361604]These bits from the IGN review have me very interested to check this out again. If you’re a fan of the Boy Scout Clark it sounds like this will just anger you, but as a fan of Morrison’s Superman origin, I kinda like Clark not starting out as the perfect angel. I like Superman starting out, to be blunt, as an a****** and then eventually maturing into the “proper” Superman. And while people tend to occasionally play around with Supes’ intellect or exploring him as a pacifist like Kelly/Casey did, 9/10 Superman [B]does[/B] solve his problems by punching them harder or by using more violence. So it’s hard to fault Miller for simply following others in that regard.
But I also don’t know if Miller is capable of actually even giving us that “proper” Superman. His Kents seem to be idiotic hicks and as IGN points out, his Superman in the past can be summed up at best as an all powerful idiot with a fascist streak to oppose MillerBats genius with a fascist streak. Miller seems to believe Superman works best when he rejects the idea of conforming to [I]anyone’s[/I] rules and does whatever he wants to do.[/QUOTE]
It is interesting because even Morrison's Clark was shaped positively by the Kents where here there doesn't seem to be much of anything of value from them. Is this really like the Randian version of Superman - He's great because of his own characteristics not because of the Kent's or anyone else. Or will he really blow minds by making Lana, Laurie, and Lois shape his heroism even more explicitly.
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In DKSA Clark flat out rejecting the morals his parents taught him is portrayed as a positive thing, Superman finally “growing up” as it were:
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So honestly I’m not surprised to see him treating the Kents as little more than babysitters for Clark. In Miller’s eyes the Kents made Clark weak and soft.
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[QUOTE=Yoda;4361524]IGN with an advance review that has a lot of spoilers and is pretty brutal on Miller. Gives it a 5.7 out of 10.
[url]https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/05/16/dc-gives-supermans-origin-a-troubling-overhaul-superman-year-one-1-review[/url]
[Spoil] apparently there's a shocking scene at the end that is pretty violent and brutal that seems out of character or out of place for a Superman story[/spoil][/QUOTE]
I'll have to see the issue for myself to see that actual execution but the general beats sound interesting. At least they're not trying to cobble an origin out of "Well Clark did nothing for a while until something happened and forced him to step up". He's got a more natural inclination towards righting wrongs and some of that golden age style proactiveness that beats the pants off of any take thats come since then.
Although I'm willing to let different opinions lie I have to say but the reviewer seems to have that same modern idea about Supes where he's suppose to just be some guy that stands around with his hands in his pocket doing nothing outside of occasionally socking some kind of monster spending most his time posing for invisible camera's and giving out vapid "inspirational" qoutes. A take which is about as close to "I don't get Superman" as I can imagine. Reading the Golden Age needs to become mandatory when you want to say you "get" Superman.
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[QUOTE=The World;4361671]Reading the Golden Age needs to become mandatory when you want to say you "get" Superman.[/QUOTE]
I have no interest in the Golden Age and I feel I get Superman just fine. The Golden Age isn't what should forever define Superman either. We've moved on.
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[QUOTE=The World;4361671]I'll have to see the issue for myself to see that actual execution but the general beats sound interesting. At least their not trying to cobble an origin out of "Well Clark did nothing for a while until something happened and forced him to step up". He's got a more natural inclination towards righting wrongs and some of that golden age style proactiveness that beats the pants off of any take thats come since then.
Although I'm willing to let different opinions lie I have to say but the reviewer seems to have that same modern idea about Supes where he's suppose to just be some guy that stands around with his hands in his pocket doing nothing outside of occasionally socking some kind of monster spending most his time posing for invisible camera's and giving out vapid "inspirational" qoutes. A take which is about as close to "I don't get Superman" as I can imagine. Reading the Golden Age needs to become mandatory when you want to say you "get" Superman.[/QUOTE]
I have no real issue with a proactive Superman a la Morrison. I think the issue here for me is the Kent's (and humans in general by extension) being moronic babysitters that offer Clark nothing of value as far as personal development goes. That certainly wasn't true of Morrison's Superman. I mean, Miracle Man is basically the endpoint of that type of take. With a Superman that is wholly above and beyond the human race entirely. And Moore ended that with a Superman as a benevolent dictator basically. Now I suppose Miller could be showing Clark's connection with humanity through Lana, Lori, and Lois. But I'm not sure that will be the case. Regardless, I think you can still have a proactive Superman that isn't wholly alien or disconnected from humanity.
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Solicits for the 2nd issue:
[B]SUPERMAN YEAR ONE #2[/B]
written by FRANK MILLER
art by JOHN ROMITA JR. and DANNY MIKI
cover by JOHN ROMITA JR. and DANNY MIKI
cover by FRANK MILLER
Clark Kent’s journey of self-discovery continues in the second installment of Frank Miller and John Romita Jr.’s remarkable reimagining of Superman’s origin story. This chapter takes young Clark to the Pacific coast and beyond, as he discovers a place as sensational as he is…Atlantis! There he meets new people, finds love, clashes with gargantuan beasts and discovers the man he’s meant to be.
PRESTIGE FORMAT
ON SALE 08.21.19
$7.99 US | 2 of 3 | 64 PAGES
FC | APPROX. 8.5“ x 10.875” | RATED T+
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[QUOTE=Vordan;4361661]In DKSA Clark flat out rejecting the morals his parents taught him is portrayed as a positive thing, Superman finally “growing up” as it were:
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So honestly I’m not surprised to see him treating the Kents as little more than babysitters for Clark. In Miller’s eyes the Kents made Clark weak and soft.[/QUOTE]
And then in Dark Knight Master Race he feels regret.
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[QUOTE=borntohula;4362540]And then in Dark Knight Master Race he feels regret.
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Yep I mentioned in an earlier post that DKIII walked back a lot of themes of DKSA. Clark holding on to his morals is portrayed as a positive feature, Bruce isn’t the invincible preptime god who has literally planned for everything, etc. But Miller also had Azzarelo as a co-writer, so who knows how that might’ve impacted the story. This is pure Miller, and his Kents don’t seem to be all that bright from what the previews show, or even the reviews. We’ll see how things play out though.
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I'm afraid I'm done with Year One.
It's got far too many strikes against it already in my personal book. I don't care that it's Miller. I don't care that IGN or who-ever-the-hell dislikes it. I just think it reads legitimately bad so far. Like, I just don't get the choices made with the dialog.
What sucks is that I think some of the ideas here are quite strong on a conceptual level. Like, I know it's get some controversy behind it, but I think a very strong case can be for Clark joining the Navy. Not the dumb as rocks "I should be on the water" explanation, but rather the almost intoxicating feeling of being part of a team and community that has your back. I've been in sports since I could walk, and I know firsthand that there's this inherent feeling of community and kinship that comes with being on a team has. I've never served, but from what I've heard and from what I can imagine is that it's that same feeling but heightened. I wouldn't take much imagination to see why Clark might be in a mindset to be drawn towards that connection at such a young and vulnerable age. It's why I can get behind him playing football. Human connection is addictive to him. There's something there to really work with
But I can't really see this sort of book being interested in tackling that idea. This feels like Li'l Abner meets Gladiator. Like, he joins the Navy because Earth has a bunch of water, then it so happens he finds an undersea kingdom, f#%ks a mermaid, and fights a sea monster. That's cool one page Sunday comic or even an elevator pitch, but it doesn't feel like there's more to it than that. The whole thing just doesn't seem like I'll be into it.
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This sounds like it's probably gonna be a train wreck. I hope it's crazy enough to be entertaining though.
[QUOTE=Miles To Go;4361732]I have no interest in the Golden Age and I feel I get Superman just fine. The Golden Age isn't what should forever define Superman either. We've moved on.[/QUOTE]
Whose the "we" that moved on, and is it really possible or necessary to move on from the core ideas of the characters roots that are actually pretty timeless and relevant even today? Not necessarily in the actual execution, but the ideas behind them.
I don't see how Superman benefits from losing some of the Golden age ideas at his core. If he's viewed as a flag waving conformist who really needs to be pushed before he can take action, and people act shocked whenever he does so and loses his temper even a little bit, something has gone terribly wrong. He's still one of the most well known and popular superheroes, but he's not the man he used to be, because there is an aversion to the risk and edginess that went into the character in the first place and started the genre as we know it.
This sounds like it's probably gonna be a train wreck. I hope it's crazy enough to be entertaining though.
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They’ve never fully gotten rid of the Golden Age stuff. I’ve complained a lot about Dan Jurgens Action Rebirth run, but he had Superman dive in front of a bunch of illegal immigrants who were about to be shot and tell the shooter off. That really made Fox News mad but I loved it. That bit was pure Golden Age imo.
On-topic I think the reception so far guarantees this won’t become canon for anything except the DKRverse which I don’t really mind. That Superman being a little dense and joining the military in his youth actually makes sense. But trying to fit this into canon would drastically change canon Supes [I]again[/I], and so far it doesn’t look like it’s going to achieve the same acclaim Miller achieved with Batman. What I am [B]very[/B] interested in seeing is the sales. How well does Miller sell without Batman or “TDKR” in the title?
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Well Year One not doing well with critics is surprising to absolutely no one. Not sure if I'm going to give it a shot or not. I'm still curious about it, honestly I'd be lying if part of me wasn't also hoping for a "so bad it's good" ASBAR situation as soon as this was announced. Anyway saying Golden Age Superman is mandatory to "getting" Superman is too extreme. But so is saying we've moved on or should move on. I've dipped my feet into golden age and enjoy what I've read of it so far. And I got nothing but respect for Siegal and Shuster for everything they did for the medium and for creating my favorite character. But at the same time I very much disagree with the notion that you have to read the first appearances of a character in order to be considered a "true fan."These characters have become bigger than their original creators. I'm a big fan of a lot of characters who've I've never bothered to dig up and read their first appearences, Batman, Hal Jordan, Green Arrow and Aquaman come to mind. And I'd say I 'get' those characters just fine.
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[QUOTE=Robanker;4360618]Really not a fan of the idea of baby Clark probing Jonathan's brain, less so that he can somehow knowingly manipulate him at such a young age. Not a very good look for a character who is supposed to be an altruistic, fundamentally good person.
But it's not terrible so far, even if I'm unsold on JRJR's pencils. May actually pick up the first issue when beforehand I was decidedly not interested. We'll see how word of mouth goes.[/QUOTE]
He is a baby and he's already supposed to have morals greater then most adults would in this scenario? I guess the kents aren't needed if he can have such a strong moral compass at that age.
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I doubt that it'll be handled well, and obviously the reviews aren't great, but then that's what I expect from Miller, however I don't think the Clark in the military idea is bad at all, and is something that I would easily be fine with in the main continuity, provided you get a more competent writer to tell that story.
Still interested in this, despite the Miller-ness.
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I don't see a problem with joining the navy. People mention the golden age when it comes to Miller, and that's a pretty golden age idea.
Millerness: One thing is I wish Miller didn't keep including Batman Year One with his other DC work, because it's the legitimately excellent story and it's a black sheep in tone. He seems to have this forced, absurd grit as a masteted signature and while it makes the stories a little bad sometimes it's also pretty fun when you let go.
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[QUOTE=Miles To Go;4361732]I have no interest in the Golden Age and I feel I get Superman just fine. The Golden Age isn't what should forever define Superman either. We've moved on.[/QUOTE]
No we havn't. Same shits going on today as when Superman was created it's just been given a veneer of civility while it's sticking a knife between your ribs. Men still beat there wives, slum lords still run tenements, war and povery run rampant. We've moved on? Bull.