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I'd dig "seeing" Circe, just maybe showing her in sillouette or her hands or something revealing that she's captured Steve Trevor's soul. His return via the wish and then the reversal of the wish left him in a limbo of sorts and Circe snatched him in that period he was between this world and the next.
Though I seem to get the impression its a positive post credits scene, so that might be a pipe dream.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5282334]No film adaptations get 100% anything right.
I'd rather the films skew closer to the power levels she has in the comics because they should NOT be mutually exclusive. But poo-poo ing the films specifically for not getting everything right when they are overall doing their job of making people like Wonder Woman as a character seems like fan entitlement. Especially as we've had middling animated output and video games (Injustice) that don't even get that right, so the whole IP needs better treatment.
At this point, the general audience loves her and it shot Gadot to super stardom. Most characters don't even get that much, and Superman fans would probably be ok with a film of him at Golden Age/leaps-tall-buildings only power levels if the movie was good and got people to care about him. Because the last few at full power didn't do the job for most.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't justify it. I'm not asking to see movie WW do the best feats she has done in comics. I'm asking her to be portrayed as powerhouse according to the powerhouse standards for super hero movies. It is already annoying to see her feel so nerfed in comics these days. I want at least one adaptation to bring back the power spectacle. Again, her personality being well portrayed and her getting big power fests should not be mutually exclusive.
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Do I care about Diana's power level? To a degree, but I care much more about her personality and her actions.
Put another way, if Diana's power level is [I]sufficient[/I], then I'm fine, as long as the characterisation and story is good. What is sufficient is of course subjective, but as a guideline she should be roughly on par with Superman in team titles in overall power level. In solo titles I can see a lot of variation, and short stories where she doesn't use any powers at all are perfectly fine by me, if the actual story calls for it.
But more than powers I want Diana to be cool. While swinging on lightning using the lasso might be far less powerful and more impractical than actual flying, it's undeniably a lot cooler.
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This is just my personal taste, but after a decade of non-stop superhero movies, I've grown kind of numb to action. A film that puts emphasis on Diana's character sounds really nice.
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I wonder if COVID didn't happen and it was happening much closer to other action oriented movies it would feel more like a breath of fresh air than it does right now.
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[QUOTE=LordUltimus;5283112]I wonder if COVID didn't happen and it was happening much closer to other action oriented movies it would feel more like a breath of fresh air than it does right now.[/QUOTE]
It's still managing to be a breath of fresh air to a lot of people after the miserable year we've had though.
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[QUOTE=Dipter;5282968]This is just my personal taste, but after a decade of non-stop superhero movies, I've grown kind of numb to action. A film that puts emphasis on Diana's character sounds really nice.[/QUOTE]
WW hasn't even been properly portrayed as a powerhouse in comics these past years. And we have to face the same issue outside the comics. WW is an action hero, so wwanting her to shine in a big spectacle sounds logical to me.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5283116]It's still managing to be a breath of fresh air to a lot of people after the miserable year we've had though.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, fair enough.
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5281590]A movie about that terrible comic, they can keep it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, besides It won't either be a Wonder Woman only movie. it would require many other characters
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5282311]I don't agree. To me, getting her power level right is very important and central. And her personality being well portrayed and her getting big power fests should not be mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE]
A big WOW moment certainly wouldn’t have hurt the film and the thing is, according to the reddit leak, Wonder Woman was supposed to dismantle a nuclear missile. That didn’t happen. Otherwise the leak was spot on though so I’m wondering whether they cut that out. I even have an idea why they might’ve done that...
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[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;5283817]A big WOW moment certainly wouldn’t have hurt the film and the thing is, according to the reddit leak, Wonder Woman was supposed to dismantle a nuclear missile. That didn’t happen. Otherwise the leak was spot on though so I’m wondering whether they cut that out. I even have an idea why they might’ve done that...[/QUOTE]
Apparently, many of the posters here do not require a WOW moment. Just a judicious use of power like the Azz series which was extremely underwhelming in terms of feats as a series. Remember that time that Diana needed to be in an induced coma, yet Orion, in the same fight, didn't.
I think too many people here are accepting the nerfing of WW's powerset to say that they only care about the story and characterization. If Patty is as great a director and writer as many people here think, then it shouldn't be a problem for her to show Wonder Woman shine in her powers and actually face threats that can show it off!
I don't want the web-lightning swinging friendly neighborhood Wonder Woman. I want the Wonder Woman that can go toe to toe with Superman and give him a run for his money.
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[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;5283817]A big WOW moment certainly wouldn’t have hurt the film and the thing is, according to the reddit leak, Wonder Woman was supposed to dismantle a nuclear missile. That didn’t happen. Otherwise the leak was spot on though [B]so I’m wondering whether they cut that out. I even have an idea why they might’ve done that[/B]...[/QUOTE]
Why? Because WW being a powerhouse these days is against the laws? They would compare her to some other character? What a sin!, WW getting powerhouse feats. I guess they forgot she was a powerhouse way before she was wonder xena with flight.
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5284515]WW was writen as a big powerhouse in her original run in the 40s[/QUOTE]
Did she move planets in the forties? Did she fly in the forties? Didn't she lose her super strength if a male welded chains to her bracelets together? Didn't later Golden Age stories depict WW go into an uncontrollable destructive frenzy if her bracelets were removed? Doesn't sound like a powerhouse to me. I recall no incredibly impressive feats of "powerhouseness" from the original run, but I am open to be corrected.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5284632]Did she move planets in the forties? Did she fly in the forties? Didn't she lose her super strength if a male welded chains to her bracelets together? Didn't later Golden Age stories depict WW go into an uncontrollable destructive frenzy if her bracelets were removed? Doesn't sound like a powerhouse to me. I recall no incredibly impressive feats of "powerhouseness" from the original run, but I am open to be corrected.[/QUOTE]
Yes. She moved the moon in the forties. She also moved planets and even the sun. Her bracelets being removed back then would make her go into a berserk mode where her power is boosted. And her own creator said she was meant to be as powerful as Superman. So when it comes to being accurate to the original material. WW should be portrayed as a powerhouse. Because that is how her original run portrayed her.
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I wouldn't look to Marston for consistency in power levels, because he and most comic creators at that point simply didn't care about such things. They wrote Wonder Woman and Superman in bright magical cartoon worlds that didn't resemble ours. Superman could fly to Venus and talk in the apparently breathable atmosphere to the vegetable people that live there (no joke, it happened). Wonder Woman could lasso the sun, but the moon was also sometimes depicted as a crescent moon with a smiling face and nobody in-universe reacted as if that was strange.
She could lasso the sun, and next minute be knocked out by a blow to the back of the skull by non-powered Hypnota or outraced by non-powered Priscilla Rich. Some people already went ballistic when the gunman in Justice League hit her in the back of the head and her head moved and she looked mildly annoyed. Some of Marston's plots wouldn't go over well with everyone who wants her to be a Superman level power house. Because she and Superman himself back then would lose to lower level opponents to make the plot work.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5284700]I wouldn't look to Marston for consistency in power levels, because he and most comic creators at that point simply didn't care about such things. They wrote Wonder Woman and Superman in bright magical cartoon worlds that didn't resemble ours. Superman could fly to Venus and talk in the apparently breathable atmosphere to the vegetable people that live there (no joke, it happened). Wonder Woman could lasso the sun, but the moon was also sometimes depicted as a crescent moon with a smiling face and nobody in-universe reacted as if that was strange.
She could lasso the sun, and next minute be knocked out by a blow to the back of the skull by non-powered Hypnota or outraced by non-powered Priscilla Rich. Some people already went ballistic when the gunman in Justice League hit her in the back of the head and her head moved and she looked mildly annoyed. Some of Marston's plots wouldn't go over well with everyone who wants her to be a Superman level power house. Because she and Superman himself back then would lose to lower level opponents to make the plot work.[/QUOTE]
low end and anti feats still exist today. In fact, Superman and Wonder Woman have received plenty in rebirth alone. The point is that WW was indeed shown as a powerhouse in her original run. So i see no reason to assume that she shouldn't be portrayed as such, like user futurewonder seemed to suggest.
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[QUOTE=kjn;5282374]Do I care about Diana's power level? To a degree, but I care much more about her personality and her actions.
Put another way, if Diana's power level is [I]sufficient[/I], then I'm fine, as long as the characterisation and story is good. What is sufficient is of course subjective, but as a guideline she should be roughly on par with Superman in team titles in overall power level. In solo titles I can see a lot of variation, and short stories where she doesn't use any powers at all are perfectly fine by me, if the actual story calls for it.
But more than powers I want Diana to be cool. While swinging on lightning using the lasso might be far less powerful and more impractical than actual flying, it's undeniably a lot cooler.[/QUOTE]
That last part is very questionable.
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Patty Jenkins interview podcast:
[url]https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/patty-jenkins/id827905050?i=1000502545048[/url]
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Jeez... some people really get me mad, I'am reading people on social media gloating that the movie did not do as expected on its opening in China.
Would expect that from some Marvel fans but from DC fans, a BIG NO.
Can we get over this Snyder or nothing, maybe I am wrong because I root for anything DC, but honestly I don't think I am wrong at least on this.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5285762]Jeez... some people really get me mad, I'am reading people on social media gloating that the movie did not do as expected on its opening in China.
Would expect that from some Marvel fans but from DC fans, a BIG NO.
Can we get over this Snyder or nothing, maybe I am wrong because I root for anything DC, but honestly I don't think I am wrong at least on this.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with Snyder. Snyder movies did not DO well in China either. The problem is making a romance movie with very little action.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5285865]It has nothing to do with Snyder. Snyder movies did not DO well in China either. The problem is making a romance movie with very little action.[/QUOTE]
its snyder stans that are gloating that its not doing well. But can't we all get this behind us, Snyder did his movies good or bad they are part of DCEU. It will get DC snyder fans nowhere to gloat for a movie or another that flops. It will only hurt DCEU if they do and wont get him back directing any future DCEU movie. He had his shot.
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Isn't China having its own big domestic release around this time?
That probably has more to do with it than either favoritism for Snyder or this not having enough action.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5285889]Isn't China having its own big domestic release around this time?
That probably has more to do with it than either favoritism for Snyder or this not having enough action.[/QUOTE]
well Wonder Woman 1st movie wasn't honestly that impressive overseas. But I am not referring to any chinese snyder stans. But to those who gloat on social media when a DC movie doesn't perform as expected.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5285762]Jeez... some people really get me mad, I'am reading people on social media gloating that the movie did not do as expected on its opening in China.
Would expect that from some Marvel fans but from DC fans, a BIG NO.[/QUOTE]
Are Chinese theatres operating at full capacity?
Because if you limit theatres to quarter capacity to facilitate distancing, then a movie won't draw in top dollars, no matter what.
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It's reason like this that I constantly rail against people citing the Box Office as an arbiter of quality.
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[QUOTE=kjn;5285965]Are Chinese theatres operating at full capacity?
Because if you limit theatres to quarter capacity to facilitate distancing, then a movie won't draw in top dollars, no matter what.[/QUOTE]
have no idea if they are at full capacity, but doesn't seem the case, they surely seem to have minimal covid cases and just in certain locations. Seems that a local movie is gaining the upper hand, therefore I exclude limited capacity theatre. On the other hand WW is described as limping on.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5285900]well Wonder Woman 1st movie wasn't honestly that impressive overseas. But I am not referring to any chinese snyder stans. But to those who gloat on social media when a DC movie doesn't perform as expected.[/QUOTE]
The first WW movie did really wel overseas. Nobody expected it to become a hit, since all previous comic movies with female lead flopped. And then boom. WW became a hit worldwide.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5285865]It has nothing to do with Snyder. Snyder movies did not DO well in China either. The problem is making a romance movie with very little action.[/QUOTE]
No movie is going to do blockbuster numbers this year or we'd have tons of blockbuster out already. China is pushing their domestic product over exports, and I don't think Wonder Woman 2017 was as big a hit there as even Aquaman.
Note, WW 2017 didn't have that much action either but people still loved it and the response to WW84 has been very positive.
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5286044]The first WW movie did really wel overseas. Nobody expected it to become a hit, since all previous comic movies with female lead flopped. And then boom. WW became a hit worldwide.[/QUOTE]
from all DCEU movies overseas it ranks 5th in BO just slightly behind Suicide Squad if not wrong. So I wont say a was boom. It did extremely well in domestic box offices. But overseas not even close to captain marvel's.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5286089]from all DCEU movies overseas it ranks 5th in BO just slightly behind Suicide Squad if not wrong. So I wont say a was boom. It did extremely well in domestic box offices. But overseas not even close to captain marvel's.[/QUOTE]
And? 410M overseas is not bad at all. The movie was successful overseas. And cm just like most marvel movies did better than any DC movie not named aquaman.
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5286103]And? 410M overseas is not bad at all. The movie was successful overseas. And cm just like most marvel movies did better than any DC movie not named aquaman.[/QUOTE]
suicide squad did better overseas and there NO is comparison in popularity with Wonder Woman, HQ might be popular domestically but through experience having worked in several countries, she doesn't even come close to Diana. I won't say she is hated but they are mostly indifferent towards her. You can see that through overseas BO for BOP.
So yes I expected a much better BO than SS.
However thats not the point I made before, I root for WW84 to be the best ever overseas and at home. As I will root for the next DC movie to be even better and so on.
My point was how I hate DC fans that gloat that the movie might not be doing well, just because it doesn't have a snyder stamp on it. We must put aside this pitting movies against each other. They all belong to the same family, the DCEU.
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Snyder and Jenkins even seem to get along and respect each other's visions, so she's like the one director they especially shouldn't be rooting for to fail
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5286138]Snyder and Jenkins even seem to get along and respect each other's visions, so she's like the one director they especially shouldn't be rooting for to fail[/QUOTE]
Say it louder, I can't but agree.
However it all seems to come to the fact that since his movies did not fare that well, his stans, TBH not all, but a good part of them, are always rooting for other DCEU movies to fail. Saw this already happening with, Aquaman, Shazam and BOP. The first they laughed at him in the beginning but went silent afterwards. The last two they gloated and tried to depict Shazam as a total failure, when it wasn't. BOP it was a flop.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5286145]Say it louder, I can't but agree.
However it all seems to come to the fact that since his movies did not fare that well, his stans, TBH not all, but a good part of them, are always rooting for other DCEU movies to fail. Saw this already happening with, Aquaman, Shazam and BOP. The first they laughed at him in the beginning but went silent afterwards. The last two they gloated and tried to depict Shazam as a total failure, when it wasn't. BOP it was a flop.[/QUOTE]
BoP was not a flop...
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[QUOTE=Pinsir;5286157]BoP was not a flop...[/QUOTE]
it didnt break even, so it was unfortunately
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5286165]it didnt break even, so it was unfortunately[/QUOTE]
Cost: 82-100 million
BO: 201 million
That's at a minimum breaking even
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[QUOTE=Pinsir;5286187]Cost: 82-100 million
BO: 201 million
That's at a minimum breaking even[/QUOTE]
you are forget marketing not included in production budget.
besides WB doesn't get all the amount from BO, especially from overseas its share is quite less from the domestic one.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5286200]you are forget marketing not included in production budget.
besides WB doesn't get all the amount from BO, especially from overseas its share is quite less from the domestic one.[/QUOTE]
I did the same double the budget math that people would do for any film. As soon as you start saying a film needs to make 3x its budget to succeed you're gonna find a lot of flops everywhere.
It's totally fine to say the film under performed, but every film did this year. I'm sure WB was happy to get it out when they did.
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[QUOTE=Pinsir;5286210]I did the same double the budget math that people would do for any film. As soon as you start saying a film needs to make 3x its budget to succeed you're gonna find a lot of flops everywhere.
It's totally fine to say the film under performed, but every film did this year. I'm sure WB was happy to get it out when they did.[/QUOTE]
That movie had problems from the beginning, from being R rated etc. it did not deliver as they expected, they had too much high hopes on HQ being that popular to carry the movie and it misfired. To an extent that WB changed the name of the movie, but again it didn't help. It needed to make 250million to break even, according to Variety. So unfortunately it did not.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5286125]suicide squad did better overseas and there NO is comparison in popularity with Wonder Woman, HQ might be popular domestically but through experience having worked in several countries, she doesn't even come close to Diana. I won't say she is hated but they are mostly indifferent towards her. You can see that through overseas BO for BOP.
So yes I expected a much better BO than SS.
However thats not the point I made before, I root for WW84 to be the best ever overseas and at home. As I will root for the next DC movie to be even better and so on.
My point was how I hate DC fans that gloat that the movie might not be doing well, just because it doesn't have a snyder stamp on it. We must put aside this pitting movies against each other. They all belong to the same family, the DCEU.[/QUOTE]
And? WW 2017 was expected to flop because there was no hit comic movie with female leads at that point. It surpassed the expectations. 410M for overseas is not bad. The film was successful worldwide, just because other movies did better is not going to change thge fact that WW 2017 was a global hit.