Wonder Woman 1984: Discussion, Set Leaks & Spoilers #WW84

[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5238292]I certainly hope that there is a WW3 (and with Circe!!!)

I hope that the studio does not cancel their plans for a [I]Wonder Woman 3[/I] when they see WW84 underperforming in theatres and when the overall money they make on streaming does not even come close to what they could have made in theatres in a COVID19-free world. I mean, at this point everyone knows that all films in theatres are either underperporming or flopping, and they should not hold it against future WW movies. It is easy to think "that goes without saying! Of course they will do a WW3! They know this is an extraordinary situation and it does not refelct on people's interest in Wonder Woman the character!" but, we all know that Wonder Woman has never been treated (by the powers that be) as well as Superman and Batman. There has always been a double standard when it comes to movies/franchises starring women, and it sucks![/QUOTE]

At least Disney have the sense to sit on Black Widow until when it will hopefully be safer to see it at the cinema.

Sigh, it would've been the biggest movie of the year at the box office if things hadn't gone so spectacularly sideways. Would have pushed it to Summer 2021. AT&T would look mighty stupid if Wonder Woman 3's box office is hurt because of this move. Speaking of, how will Wonder Woman 1984's profitability be measured now to warrant a sequel? As Top Hat mentioned, HBO Max isn't even available overseas. Online piracy will destroy its box office prospects there.

Hopefully the powers that be have enough sense to write the HBO Max contract in such a way that they can place it on other streaming networks in places where HBO Max doesn't have a presence. I know publishers and distributors like to grab as many rights as they can (and that behaviour has gotten worse with the Internet), but WB letting them get away with it would be incompetent and stupid.

I doubt the box office will have an impact on Wonder Woman 3. As I understand it, the most important contracts are already in place, and sheer box office is not the only variable used to determine if a movie is successful and deserving of a sequel.

WB would be crazy to cancel WW3, she's one of their most successful DC characters both critically and commercially.

It’s doubling confusing over in the U.K. even for those able too or inclined to go the cinema as we have things like one government minister saying cinemas will remain closed after the second lockdown ends on the 2nd December, and the another government minister saying the exact opposite.

That’s of course if the lockdown still ends in England on the 2nd December.

I still don't understand why they release it in this context. What would they lose by waiting more time? They won't lose as much money keeping it on hold, as they will by releasing it in this covid context.

Now that I've had a few hours to process the information, I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I'm happy I'll be able to give myself a nice Christmas present this year. I'm also not a shareholder, nor did I help create this product, so this is really no skin off my back. I also genuinely believe Wonder Woman and Christmas are a perfect combination - like Batman and Halloween or Superman and Christmas.

On the other hand, I don't understand why ATT is making the oddest decision imaginable. The release is confusing and nonsensical, this does nothing for movie theaters, I question if people will remain subscribed to a service that cost 15 a month, and I question how "success" will be determined to ensure a 3rd Wonder Woman film. I also question how they think the immediate piracy of this film is going to affect any and all metrics for success for this film. I also question how this would impact the growing Wonder Woman brand.

Anyway, as I said, I'm planning my snacks and drinks for Christmas as we speak, but I would not be a happy shareholder with what appears to be a short-term gain that could potentially lead to longterm lost.

At least put it on Netflix or something because people in the UK don't have HBO Max, and people from Latin america etc will watch it on pirate sites or download it

[QUOTE=Cruelrain;5238775]At least put it on Netflix or something because people in the UK don't have HBO Max, and people from Latin america etc will watch it on pirate sites or download it[/QUOTE]

ATT doesn't own Netflix, so, unfortunately, they're going to release it on their own service in hopes of drumming up more business. It's like hoping Disney would release the next Marvel movie on Amazon Prime :(

FWIW, apparently the plan is to release on Max for a month and then Video On Demand--so that might be good news for the people who can't get or don't want HBO Max.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/media/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max/index.html[/url]

The new [I]Bill & Ted[/I] did pretty good going to VOD, so hopefully it won't hurt [I]WW84[/I]'s box office too bad. And even then, I would like to think Warner recognizes this is a bad situation beyond anyone's control and won't fall back on the old "Wonder Woman doesn't make money" or "People don't want female-led action movies" nonsense.

Me...I'll subscribe for a month and then cancel. It's about the price of a movie ticket anyway. And if I like it enough, maybe I'll rent it VOD, too.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5239170]FWIW, apparently the plan is to release on Max for a month and then Video On Demand--so that might be good news for the people who can't get or don't want HBO Max.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/media/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max/index.html[/url]

The new [I]Bill & Ted[/I] did pretty good going to VOD, so hopefully it won't hurt [I]WW84[/I]'s box office too bad. And even then, I would like to think Warner recognizes this is a bad situation beyond anyone's control and won't fall back on the old "Wonder Woman doesn't make money" or "People don't want female-led action movies" nonsense.

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From your keyboard to the Olympian gods' ears!!!
You would have to be spectacularly stupid to think that in a world in which [I]Wonder Woman[/I] and [I]Captain Marvel[/I] grossed almost 2 billion dollars combined, people don't want to see female-led [comic book-based] action films. But then againm WB/DC has always had an odd way of treating WW. Why in the f***, for example, did she not get her own animated show to capitalize on the film's success? Why has she not gotten a prequel TV show (ala Ghotham and Smallville)? Why do her likeness/logo/brand not fill every Wal-Mart aisle in America, like Superman's and Batman's do? It's just a double standard that I will never understand...

If they're really going to release this in theaters on Christmas day, it's a really stupid decision.

A beautiful TV spot from Hong Kong

[video=youtube;J7E7rbL3Lew]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E7rbL3Lew&feature=emb_logo[/video]

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5239170]FWIW, apparently the plan is to release on Max for a month and then Video On Demand--so that might be good news for the people who can't get or don't want HBO Max.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/media/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max/index.html[/url]

The new [I]Bill & Ted[/I] did pretty good going to VOD, so hopefully it won't hurt [I]WW84[/I]'s box office too bad. And even then, I would like to think Warner recognizes this is a bad situation beyond anyone's control and won't fall back on the old "Wonder Woman doesn't make money" or "People don't want female-led action movies" nonsense.

Me...I'll subscribe for a month and then cancel. It's about the price of a movie ticket anyway. And if I like it enough, maybe I'll rent it VOD, too.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. When it goes to VOD is that likely to be US only or globally.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5239170]FWIW, apparently the plan is to release on Max for a month and then Video On Demand--so that might be good news for the people who can't get or don't want HBO Max.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/media/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max/index.html[/url]

The new [I]Bill & Ted[/I] did pretty good going to VOD, so hopefully it won't hurt [I]WW84[/I]'s box office too bad. And even then, [B]I would like to think Warner recognizes this is a bad situation beyond anyone's control and won't fall back on the old "Wonder Woman doesn't make money" or "People don't want female-led action movies" nonsense. [/B]

Me...I'll subscribe for a month and then cancel. It's about the price of a movie ticket anyway. And if I like it enough, maybe I'll rent it VOD, too.[/QUOTE]

This is what I'm hoping for on an optimistic level and I don't want to declare the sky is falling just yet.

But never underestimate WB's ability to mismanage any of their IPs that isn't Batman. Or to at best be terribly unreliable/inconsistent with them. But regardless, at least we can enjoy the movie next month and let the future go where it goes.

[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5239613]This is what I'm hoping for on an optimistic level and I don't want to declare the sky is falling just yet.

But never underestimate WB's ability to mismanage any of their IPs that isn't Batman. Or to at best be terribly unreliable/inconsistent with them. But regardless, at least we can enjoy the movie next month and let the future go where it goes.[/QUOTE]

Leave it to DC and Warner to blame it on WW. Do we know why they are releasing it now if they care about not losing money? Because with the current context i don't see how this movie can make a good profit.

[QUOTE=mystical41;5240013]Leave it to DC and Warner to blame it on WW. Do we know why they are releasing it now if they care about not losing money? Because with the current context i don't see how this movie can make a good profit.[/QUOTE]

Apparently all the time it’s not being released it’s costing them money for insurance reasons due to the complex way modern big budget films are financed these days.

[QUOTE=mystical41;5240013]Leave it to DC and Warner to blame it on WW. Do we know why they are releasing it now if they care about not losing money? Because with the current context i don't see how this movie can make a good profit.[/QUOTE]

Even if they lose money with WW84 due to covid-19 which they almost certainly will, Wonder Woman remains one of their hottest IPs so there’s a ton of money to be made with WW3, provided things go back to normal, that is.

[QUOTE=mystical41;5240013][B]Leave it to DC and Warner to blame it on WW.[/B] Do we know why they are releasing it now if they care about not losing money? Because with the current context i don't see how this movie can make a good profit.[/QUOTE]

They haven't actually done that yet and no guarantee that they will.

I'm braced for it, but no need to panic yet

[QUOTE=Top Hat;5240150]Apparently all the time it’s not being released it’s costing them money for insurance reasons due to the complex way modern big budget films are financed these days.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's basically take a smaller amount of money now to help pay the bills, or wait until some unprojectable time next year (or, help us, 2022...) when they can make a lot more. It's a lose-lose situation. If WB has debtors, they probably are anxious to pay that stuff off sooner than later.

[QUOTE=DochaDocha;5240682]Yeah, it's basically take a smaller amount of money now to help pay the bills, or wait until some unprojectable time next year (or, help us, 2022...) when they can make a lot more. It's a lose-lose situation. If WB has debtors, they probably are anxious to pay that stuff off sooner than later.[/QUOTE]

I suspect it doesn’t help that even before the pandemic it had been sitting on the shelf a while since it was actually filmed.

[QUOTE=Top Hat;5241479]I suspect it doesn’t help that even before the pandemic it had been sitting on the shelf a while since it was actually filmed.[/QUOTE]

Going against Frozen 2 and James Bond was not really a good plan then especially frozen 2. June 2020 looked great especially to cross 1 billion milestone.

[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5241607]Going against Frozen 2 and James Bond was not really a good plan then especially frozen 2. June 2020 looked great especially to cross 1 billion milestone.[/QUOTE]

Now that I think back on it, the first Frozen was able to become a pop culture phenomenon despite opening and running very close to the dates that Hunger Games 2: Catching Fire played. CF was not just a box office smash, but a much bigger hit than its predecessor, which was already a big hit. I always felt that both Frozen 2 and WW84 could have perfectly co-existed and thrived at the box office in the same year, especially during the holiday season. I know it's a moot point now, but oh well...

ETA: OMG...two new TV spots with new plenty new footage!! I am literally crying (seriously...this makes me so emotional...)...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvhSE1w9plE[/url]

Omgg this movie has so much new footage from HBO Max to the Vietnamese trailer to the Swarovski footage awwwgghhhhhh my god today!!!

This really should have been released back in 2019.

In hindsight, Star Wars probably wasn't going to be that much of a problem...

[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5249019]This really should have been released back in 2019.

In hindsight, Star Wars probably wasn't going to be that much of a problem...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but remember that it was Patty Jenkins and her team who pushed for a summer of 2020 release because she didn't want to be in danger of rushing post-production. Now, it appears that the script and principal photography was good enough that they could have released it in November 2019, but there was no way to know that in spring of 2019.

Given the way that WB botched JL, I think making sure the filmmakers had enough time for doing their stuff most definitely was the right thing to do from a pure decision-making standpoint.

I’ve got to say, Pedro pascal / max lord looks a lot better here than he does on the poster..

Warner Bros is doubling down and releasing their entire theatrical slate for 2021 in theaters and HBO Max simultaneously! Crazy!

That actually indicates they may like the response they were getting with the Wonder Woman announcement. If so, the movie will still be successful in some regards.

Wonder Woman 1984 is getting positive reactions

[url]https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1984-first-reactions/?#2[/url]

Those reactions are encouraging, especially for Wiig and Pascal.

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5261510]Wonder Woman 1984 is getting positive reactions

[url]https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1984-first-reactions/?#2[/url][/QUOTE]
That's great to hear :D.

[spoil]That one reviewer saying we need more of Wiig makes me hope the leaks were just one possible cut, and she remains Cheetah at the end for the official release. I'm not sure if the take away would be quite as "heartbreaking and epic" if her transformation is undone at the end. Though it could just be me reading too much into this[/spoil]

Have to say, still not a fan of Lord being here, but sounds like Pascal will make it worth it at least from these reactions so far.

Could this film end up with even better reviews than the first??? OMG...it would be so amazing.

Now that we know for a fact that Wonder Woman 1984 is coming out for Christmas, my hype levels are at unbearable levels. I just bought a hell of a lot of Wonder Woman merchandise - including some pajamas I'm going to wear as I watch it - and I am ready to immerse myself in perfection for 2 hours and 31 minutes.

I'm so happy the social media reactions are so exclamatory. I can't wait for the review embargo on the 15th. Today was a great day to be a Wonder Woman fan.

[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5261824]Now that we know for a fact that Wonder Woman 1984 is coming out for Christmas, my hype levels are at unbearable levels. I just bought a hell of a lot of Wonder Woman merchandise - including some pajamas I'm going to wear as I watch it - and I am ready to immerse myself in perfection for 2 hours and 31 minutes.

I'm so happy the social media reactions are so exclamatory. I can't wait for the [B]review embargo on the 15th.[/B] Today was a great day to be a Wonder Woman fan.[/QUOTE]

This is generally a good sign, right? Shows they have some confidence in the movie.

I know in hindsight the embargos on BvS and Suicide Squad being later and right before the release should have made us go "uh-oh," so this is reassuring.

[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5261915]This is generally a good sign, right? Shows they have some confidence in the movie.

I know in hindsight the embargos on BvS and Suicide Squad being later and right before the release should have made us go "uh-oh," so this is reassuring.[/QUOTE]

It's not a hard rule but yeah from what I recall when studios lift embargos a little while before the film actually releases (in this case 10 days) it shows the studios have confidence in the film.

[QUOTE=Gaius;5261928]It's not a hard rule but yeah from what I recall when studios lift embargos a little while before the film actually releases (in this case 10 days) it shows the studios have confidence in the film.[/QUOTE]

Xmen Apocalypse lifted the embargo super early because they were confident in the film. That being said, Patty is a much more talented director, so I have no concerns.

The first critic reactions to Wonder Woman 1987 are all raves: [URL="https://www.ign.com/articles/wonder-woman-1984-first-reactions-praise-the-films-exciting-story-and-inspiring-message"]https://www.ign.com/articles/wonder-woman-1984-first-reactions-praise-the-films-exciting-story-and-inspiring-message[/URL]

Patty, Gal and Chris have done it again!