Well this film is officially rotten on RT! Patty really messed up with this film, don’t understand how as the first film was so good!
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Well this film is officially rotten on RT! Patty really messed up with this film, don’t understand how as the first film was so good!
[QUOTE=Samm;5318636]Well this film is officially rotten on RT! Patty really messed up with this film, don’t understand how as the first film was so good![/QUOTE]
Not with Verified audience members or Top Critics.
The folks who marked this down clearly would have Superman and Superman II, I guess.
What I don't understand is why in the heck they got rid of Allan Heinberg? Most people loved his script for the first film, and it was quite evident that he constructed a linear narrative that, for the most part, made sense within the context of the story he was telling. It was clear, economical, and to the point. Of all the elements from the first movie that they could have replaced in order to improve for the sequel (the iffy FX comes to mind) they had to change the writer?? It boggles the mind.
[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5318767]What I don't understand is why in the heck they got rid of Allan Heinberg? Most people loved his script for the first film, and it was quite evident that he constructed a linear narrative that, for the most part, made sense within the context of the story he was telling. It was clear, economical, and to the point. Of all the elements from the first movie that they could have replaced in order to improve for the sequel (the iffy FX comes to mind) they had to change the writer?? It boggles the mind.[/QUOTE]
I remember the day they announced he wasn’t returning for the sequel and the sinking feeling of disappointment I felt and worried would lead to a worse film.
I was right. :(
[QUOTE=Samm;5318636]Well this film is officially rotten on RT! Patty really messed up with this film, don’t understand how as the first film was so good![/QUOTE]
So sad to hear this
[QUOTE=Cruelrain;5318802]So sad to hear this[/QUOTE]
I’d be sadder if I hadn’t liked the movie either.
It’s still fresh among tp critics and verified audience, and only less so by 2 marks out of 377 by all critics.
yeah i agree with brettc1
I agree with brettc1 too.
[QUOTE=brettc1;5318834]I’d be sadder if I hadn’t liked the movie either.
It’s still fresh among tp critics and verified audience, and only less so by 2 marks out of 377 by all critics.[/QUOTE]
Verified doesn’t count the people who saw it on HBO Max, only the ones who went to theaters, which I find quite interesting! Maybe the theater experience does make a difference?
Either way though, by all accounts the first film was superior! Bring back Allan Heinberg as script writer for the third film!
Let's be honest. Rotten Tomatoes have given good ratings to sucky movies and bad rates to good movies.
[QUOTE=Samm;5318636]Well this film is officially rotten on RT! Patty really messed up with this film, don’t understand how as the first film was so good![/QUOTE]
Now it's back to Fresh!!! 60 % with 378 reviews. :D
[QUOTE=Samm;5319218]Verified doesn’t count the people who saw it on HBO Max, only the ones who went to theaters, which I find quite interesting! Maybe the theater experience does make a difference?
Either way though, by all accounts the first film was superior! Bring back Allan Heinberg as script writer for the third film![/QUOTE]
Not by my account, and therefore not all. :)
We don’t know how many saw it on HBO, but is it not interesting that the difference between verified an unverified scores is about 30%? That’s a VERY big gap.
[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5319726]Now it's back to Fresh!!! 60 % with 378 reviews. :D[/QUOTE]
There you go. ;)
[QUOTE=Frontier;5314535]I feel that was entirely intentional.[/QUOTE]
Well even the plot of giving up your powers to be with the one you love is straight out of Superman II.
[QUOTE=Jokerz79;5319809]Well even the plot of giving up your powers to be with the one you love is straight out of Superman II.[/QUOTE]
With a slight twist, yes
“Life is good...
...but kneel before Zod.”
[QUOTE=Samm;5319218]Verified doesn’t count the people who saw it on HBO Max, only the ones who went to theaters, which I find quite interesting! Maybe the theater experience does make a difference?
Either way though, by all accounts the first film was superior! Bring back Allan Heinberg as script writer for the third film![/QUOTE]
Only hardcore Wondy and Gal fans went to theatres during a pandemic. They r going to be more lenient on the movie.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5321226]Only hardcore Wondy and Gal fans went to theatres during a pandemic. [B]They r going to be more lenient on the movie.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's the thing. There seems to be no middle ground here(and with the majority of female leads that don't meet expectations). Some may be lenient. But others are in my opinion exaggerating. The amount of heat this movie received just seems strange in my opinion. Because it's just a bland/average movie. It has a few well done ideas, and others potentially good ideas that were badly executed. For me. The best thing it did, was get Diana's voice right, get rid off the sword and shield and finally have her flying. for the rest, the first movie did a better job being more cohesive, but still not enough classic WW vibe. Which means that we still haven't had an ultimate WW film. I hope WW3 can be the one, we'll see.
[URL="https://thedirect.com/article/wonder-woman-1984-academy-awards-warner-bros"]Warner Bros. Pushing Wonder Woman 1984 For 14 Academy Awards Categories[/URL]
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;5321512][URL="https://thedirect.com/article/wonder-woman-1984-academy-awards-warner-bros"]Warner Bros. Pushing Wonder Woman 1984 For 14 Academy Awards Categories[/URL][/QUOTE]
There's no way the movie will be getting any awards except maybe the score and costumes.
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;5321512][URL="https://thedirect.com/article/wonder-woman-1984-academy-awards-warner-bros"]Warner Bros. Pushing Wonder Woman 1984 For 14 Academy Awards Categories[/URL][/QUOTE]
Part of the reason why Academy Awards should be taken with a grain of salt.
"For your consideration..."
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5321528]There's no way the movie will be getting any awards except maybe the score and costumes.[/QUOTE]
It's standard practice for studios, and it could be something to make Patty/Gal happy. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Needless to say, movies like Green Book and Crash have won Oscars. Oscars aren't always about the quality of the film but politics.
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;5321512][URL="https://thedirect.com/article/wonder-woman-1984-academy-awards-warner-bros"]Warner Bros. Pushing Wonder Woman 1984 For 14 Academy Awards Categories[/URL][/QUOTE]
seems some people are annoyed that it may happen. I am not the greatest fan of WW84, I liked parts of it, but others less. But if it wins any Oscars I would be very happy.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5321226]Only hardcore Wondy and Gal fans went to theatres during a pandemic. They’re r going to be more lenient on the movie.[/QUOTE]
That’s an interesting supposition, but what’s your empirical evidence?
You know that people like me in overseas countries outside the USA also provide ratings?
Really surprised there is going to be an Academy Awards. Thought they would call it off due to lack of movies released.
Cheetah's official concept art
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Here is a BBC article on Lilly Aspell.
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55630305[/url]
[QUOTE=mystical41;5321286]That's the thing. There seems to be no middle ground here(and with the majority of female leads that don't meet expectations). Some may be lenient. But others are in my opinion exaggerating. The amount of heat this movie received just seems strange in my opinion. Because it's just a bland/average movie. It has a few well done ideas, and others potentially good ideas that were badly executed. For me. The best thing it did, was get Diana's voice right, get rid off the sword and shield and finally have her flying. for the rest, the first movie did a better job being more cohesive, but still not enough classic WW vibe. Which means that we still haven't had an ultimate WW film. I hope WW3 can be the one, we'll see.[/QUOTE]
Ideally yes, but WB will probably fire Patty and hire someone to make Xena the warrior princess movie
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;5329511]Ideally yes, but WB will probably fire Patty and hire someone to make Xena the warrior princess movie[/QUOTE]
WB comfirmed Patty to return for WW3. We will have to wait and see.
I will be honest. After all the mess of the past years, if things don't improve and we have to settle for warrior princess WW. Then at least they should put real effort into that direction, since they never really put effort to allow WW to settle and have a consistent direction. So if that is truly what they want for the character. They better start showing WW as a badass warrior kicking major asses. Because their vision of warrior princess doesn't hold a candle to Xena. Xena on her own TV show and comics, get to do a lot of cool and badass stuff. While their vision of warrior princess WW is usually a bore mess doing nothing important while any other character gets to do something relevant. Hell Xena even got the power to beat all the Gods at one point. When was the last time we had a WW going in an adventure that felt epic, fun and badass? If we have to settle for super human Xena instead of a powerhouse WW that try to talk first but can fight in big powerful ways if she has to, at least make the most out of that warrior princess direction, and make her energetic, confident, fully active(not pro reacting all the time like in most recent runs where she just feels like going though the motion), and give WW adventures and fighting scenes worth of a so called warrior princess.
[QUOTE=brettc1;5322118]That’s an interesting supposition, but what’s your empirical evidence?
You know that people like me in overseas countries outside the USA also provide ratings?[/QUOTE]
We are talking about Rotten tomatoes verified score and CinemaScore which cant be done outside US
I still want Eva Green to play Circe. I know it's an "obvious" choice, but damn...I re-watched that HORRIBLE 300 sequel (it should have been called "Cool Slo-Mo Fight Scene: The Movie") and no amount of useless CGI blood and CGI sets could overwhelm Green's potent screen presence.
Merciful Minerva, she would be a GLORIOUS Circe.
[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5331903]I still want Eva Green to play Circe. I know it's an "obvious" choice, but damn...I re-watched that HORRIBLE 300 sequel (it should have been called "Cool Slo-Mo Fight Scene: The Movie") and no amount of useless CGI blood and CGI sets could overwhelm Green's potent screen presence.
Merciful Minerva, she would be a GLORIOUS Circe.[/QUOTE]
If it weren't for Maleficent, I would actually love to see Anjelina Jolie as Circe. Something about seeing two action heroines (Jolie and Gadot) on screen together seems absolutely tantalizing. I feel these two could give us the third act battle even the harshest critics of Diana would absolutely die for.
Since that obviously won't happen, I actually wouldn't mind an Asian Circe. Kelly Hu with purple highlights could be absolutely delicious in the role.[ATTACH=CONFIG]104916[/ATTACH]
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5331921]If it weren't for Maleficent, I would actually love to see Anjelina Jolie as Circe. Something about seeing two action heroines (Jolie and Gadot) on screen together seems absolutely tantalizing. I feel these two could give us the third act battle even the harshest critics of Diana would absolutely die for.
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I'd love for either Hu or Jolie to play Circe. However, I have secretly hoped for Jolie to play the witch forever...
Alright, I saw the film after like a month or something. My first impression is I like it a lot and I watched this film vaguely aware of some of the criticisms and I find most of them to be pretty junk as I expected (there are no plotholes in it). Maxwell is a pretty good villain here and I like the manner in which he is defeated (it's very Wonder Woman). Gal is best when she is in the suit and the Steve stuff. There are a lot of, I would say coincidences (Wonder Woman gains a lot of powers throughout this film), but they are hinted at before and the most out of nowhere one, making things invisible, still has an explanation that kind of makes sense.
Some additional points/notes whatever;
>>> Bringing back Steve in the way they did reminds me of the Bronze age, when they kept killing/reviving Steve Trevor :p (The Wonder Woman is a rapist thing is dumb btw)
>>> The flight scenes in this movie are the only time I'll accept Wonder Woman flying, just because Gal Gadot played it so perfectly
>>> I really only like the invisible airplane scene. I would have cut it out. Giving Diana magic like that is kind of weird.
>>> Maxwell really was great, I probably would have cut Cheetah out of the film just for more of him.
Amid the negativity surrounding WW84, people are sleeping on its AMAZING soundtrack. As much as I loved Rupert Gregson-Williams score for the first WW film, I am undeniably obsessed with Hans Zimmer's score for the sequel. He has concocted a John Williams-esque symphony of beautifully soaring melodies that truly capture the essence of superheroism (and of Wonder Woman). Please check it out!!!
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5338007]Amid the negativity surrounding WW84, people are sleeping on its AMAZING soundtrack. As much as I loved Rupert Gregson-Williams score for the first WW film, I am undeniably obsessed with Hans Zimmer's score for the sequel. He has concocted a John Williams-esque symphony of beautifully soaring melodies that truly capture the essence of superheroism (and of Wonder Woman). Please check it out!!!
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Yeah, the soundtrack was really awesome. Zimmer went all out on this one.
Comparing their current scores on IMDB, the idea that WW84 rates a 5.4 while the god-awful Suicide Squad gets a 6.0 is completely ridiculous.
Okies.
I finally watched it. And...
It wasn't quite what I expected.
While I didn't read/watch any reviews...It's certainly not as bad as a lot of people (my friends included) make it out to be.
My main issue with it as a whole...I wish the story had chosen one antagonist to focus on...Cheetah or Maxwell, not both. Dividing that focus made me not care much about/for either.
Same for Steve's presence...the movie could have done without him, eventhough I found the dress-up scene homage to the first film just a tad cute.
And I found the whole "make a wish and it will come true" premise was a bit weak, somewhat hokey and more than a little cheesy.
It wasn't what I expected but then...I didn't know quite what to expect. (I didn't watch any of the trailers apart from the very first one.) I just didn't expect "Wonder Woman saves the World from wishful thinking".
Coming off of the first film, I was hoping for something of greater or equal depth and gravitas in defining further who Wonder Woman is and what she means in our current 2020 world. Something more...meaningful and layered.
Which brings me to my last point...
I love a good period piece but the 80's aesthetic overall didn't move me...and I am an 80's child. (Although Diana's wardrobe was exquisite but made everyone else look dated and flat and too costumey).
Overall, I enjoyed it though not as much as the first. It certainly had more highs than lows, for which I am thankful. (I really dreaded watching it, that's why it took me this long).
[QUOTE=brettc1;5340266]Comparing their current scores on IMDB, the idea that WW84 rates a 5.4 while the god-awful Suicide Squad gets a 6.0 is completely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
It's the lowest rated DCEU movie. When and if the third movie gets released onscreen it might bomb after such a poor reception from WW1984.