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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;4069413]I think there’s going to be a deal to keep Steve alive, and it will fit into the story no problem. Then we will get a little tag at the end, giving us a clue of some sort that ‘everything has changed.’[/QUOTE]
Yep. If they're smart, that's all they need to do.
1. Diana brings back Steve.
2. It's made clear this decision will have lasting consequences.
3. That's it. Show the changes in future movies.
If the MCU has taught us anything, it's that today's audience is perfectly willing to sit through a long-form story that can take years to fully manifest, provided the story is intriguing. The Thanos story has been going on for nearly a decade and is only now coming to a head. The new DCEU can go the same way. Just drop little hints here and there and the audience will keep coming back because they want to see what happens next.
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[url]http://collider.com/it-chapter-2-wonder-woman-2-footage-description-ccxp/amp/[/url]
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[QUOTE=misha84;4071309][url]http://collider.com/it-chapter-2-wonder-woman-2-footage-description-ccxp/amp/[/url][/QUOTE]
From what I read of the description of the brief short, still no flying.
Pretty much think despite all the people's protestations, she is still nerfed and will not fly, probably ever in this DCEU. There are still questions about her flight in the most recent comics.
What makes people think she isn't disrespected on a regular basis, whether it is in comic form or the movie form? I mean we see that Captain Marvel has no problem flying in the 2nd trailer that came out.
I also believe we will get Shazam to fly, if not in the beginning, but by the end of the movie.
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I would love after this movie to see a villain group take on Wonder Woman.
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4077568]I would love after this movie to see a villain group take on Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
Villain groups can be tricky to get right in movies though. The Batman movie from the 60s managed to pull it off thanks to alot of background knowledge from the tv show, though Spiderman 3 showed the difficulties of that.
Perhaps if one was to use a group of characters who shared an origin or commonality like the children of Ares it could work...
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;4078952]Villain groups can be tricky to get right in movies though. The Batman movie from the 60s managed to pull it off thanks to alot of background knowledge from the tv show, though Spiderman 3 showed the difficulties of that.
Perhaps if one was to use a group of characters who shared an origin or commonality like the children of Ares it could work...[/QUOTE]
True, I am already afraid Cheetah is going to be sidelined by Maxwell Lord in WW84
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I guess the only way is to introduce to them one by one
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4079082]True, I am already afraid Cheetah is going to be sidelined by Maxwell Lord in WW84[/QUOTE]
Doubt it would happen, but it kinda makes me wish for a Villainy Inc movie as something like that would be the easiest way of building up to it.
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If a Villainy inc movie is to happen who would you want to be in it.
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4080849]If a Villainy inc movie is to happen who would you want to be in it.[/QUOTE]
Geez, what a question...
Kinda difficult to answer out of the blue. The time period the movie would be set in would be a huge factor honestly.
Queen Clea is honestly tempting, especially with the set up Aquaman in movies has given us. She wouldn't require as much world building as there might otherwise appear thanks to Aquaman setting things up.
Beyond that...Id really love to see Giganta. She is the go to mook of Wonder Womans mythos. That said, im worried her origin might be to convoluted.....
Other members are a little trickier as it depends on what one would go for in a team, the time period, and all of that.
Assuming were living in some ideal where it would all make sense regardless of logic...
Either Tim Seeleys Saturna or the original Eviless
Blue Snowman or Cyborgirl
Zara
Hypnota
Mayfly
Cateye
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Well it depends on the writers. If there a good write any of her villains could. To be honest with Giganta's origins. Why not just have it be she learns from Cheetah or Diana about some ancient artifact? I she at first is hire help than turns into a big threat. She use to be a scientist but got in trouble due to illegal experiments on herself.
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From Wonder Gal's IG:
[I]"We did it. Again!! And as much as the first time shooting Wonder Woman was amazing, this time was even more unique and special.. We shot in 4 very different locations in 3 countries, and I'm so soooo proud of the almost 1000 crew members who came to set every day, giving everything they have into our movie.
Couldn't ask for better partners on this.. I'm so lucky to have the one and only Patty Jenkins, as my director. She always has our backs, she gives us the wings to dare, and everyday she helped us find the most creative version of ourselves .. I am so grateful to call her my friend. And to our AMAZINGly talented cast who made every day enjoyable and fun, thank you!
Honestly.. Words cannot describe this experience.. This journey was so demanding and challenging but we all came and did our very best every take, every day, putting our all out there and I’m so proud... Thank you universe for this opportunity. I love this character. And thank you to all of you for being the best fans in the world. It was you that made me push myself every day.
I'm so happy and excited, can't wait to share it with you in 2020! ❤️ Gal"[/I]
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;4096076]They finished filming?[/QUOTE]
Yup. They filmed for 6 months, it was about time. ;)
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Then what are they going to do for the next sixteen months?
Oh! They could go straight to working on a third Wonder Woman movie and have it out in 2021!
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;4096154][B]Then what are they going to do for the next sixteen months?[/B]
Oh! They could go straight to working on a third Wonder Woman movie and have it out in 2021![/QUOTE]
CGI, editing the movie... ;) No one want another half-assed movie like Whedon's JL. :D
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Plus, most of those movies, including the first WM, have plenty of reshoots so this is still relatively far from the final product
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[QUOTE=misha84;4096832]Plus, most of those movies, including the first WM, have plenty of reshoots so this is still relatively far from the final product[/QUOTE]
They do schedule reshoots, but as far as I know, the first Wonder Woman movie only did a single scene in reshoots (which on the other hand was a relatively complex one, the one where they approach the front line and pass by the refugees and the wounded soldier).
In the end, I believe the placement of the release is mainly based on marketing decisions.
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'Wonder Woman 1984' Cold War Storyline Reportedly Hurting Chances Of China Release: [url]https://heroichollywood.com/wonder-woman-1984-cold-war-china/[/url]
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LOL! Funny Wonder Woman Easter egg in Aquaman!
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At least it's not Superman!
What about starting an Aquaman–Wonder Woman appreciation thread, with this picture as the first post? ;)
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I wish the best for the sequel. I hope she can fly soon
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[QUOTE=kjn;4102752][B]At least it's not Superman![/B]
What about starting an Aquaman–Wonder Woman appreciation thread, with this picture as the first post? ;)[/QUOTE]Absolutely.
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Chris Pine on His Role in ‘Wonder Woman 1984’: ‘The Tables Are Turned’: [url]https://variety.com/2019/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-chris-pine-patty-jenkins-1203102673/[/url]
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[QUOTE]The report states Pedro Pascal (The Mandalorian) will be playing one Maxwell Lord, who's on a mission of collecting whatever ancient artifacts he can get his hands on, thinking they'll make him "as powerful as a god." The rumor goes on to state that Lord is working hand-in-hand with Barbara Ann Minerva until one of the aforementioned artifacts turns her into Cheetah.
Angry at her colleague's betrayal, Cheetah then turns on Lord and the latter revives Trevor to persuade Wonder Woman to help lord in his fight against Cheetah.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2019/01/14/wonder-woman-1984-steve-trevor-return-rumor/[/url]
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[QUOTE=misha84;4135638][url]https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2019/01/14/wonder-woman-1984-steve-trevor-return-rumor/[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow, that suddenly took a great turn for me. Cheetah has her revenge related reasons and Pedro is playing kind of an Urzkartaga role. So we have the deceptive man who is playing god and a villain with understandable reasons. I'm really interested now!
What do you guys think?
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[QUOTE=Joao;4135825]Wow, that suddenly took a great turn for me. Cheetah has her revenge related reasons and Pedro is playing kind of an Urzkartaga role. So we have the deceptive man who is playing god and a villain with understandable reasons. I'm really interested now!
What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]
If this is true, it sounds like Barbara Ann will become the Cheetah much earlier in the film than I thought. Are she and Diana even going to be friends in this version?
It does indicate that she's pretty powerful if Lord needs to raise the damn dead as a bargaining chip in order to get himself out of this.
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Hmmmmm. I'm not loving the rumoured plot outline. I would much prefer Diana and Barbara to be friends before Barbara becomes the Cheetah. That gives Diana a direct, personal connection with Barbara and makes their conflict all the more interesting. Wonder Woman fighting Cheetah simply to stop Cheetah from killing Maxwell Lord doesn't really interest me.
I'm also surprised at Diana's naivety if she accepts an offer to act as Maxwell Lord's personal bodyguard in exchange for Lord resurrecting Steve Trevor from the dead. Such a "deal" has major red flags all over it. At this stage, Diana has been in man's world for 70 years - surely she would know to second-guess such an offer? Not to mention the practicalities of such a bargain - is she going to spend the rest of Lord's life protecting him? When Lord dies of old age, will Steve Trevor also die? And I don't love Diana being motivated by her love for Trevor. After 70 years, has Diana really not experienced love with anyone else in man's world? I get it - Trevor was certainly an above-average man - but, there are a lot of people in the world.
I'm a little concerned that DC has taken what should be a simple story (i.e. Diana and Barbara are friends and fellow artefact hunters, something happens and Barbara becomes Cheetah and the Cheetah blames Diana for her transformation), made it more complicated and most egregiously removed the personal, emotional connection between Diana and Barbara.
But, it's just a rumour. And I obviously have no idea how it will all turn out on the big-screen. And I trust that Patty Jenkins wants to do right by the character of Wonder Woman.
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The on set glimpses we've gotten of Wiig's Barbara so far really do not give off the vibe of someone already in league with someone like Lord. She has struck many people as being similar to Michelle Pfeiffer's pre-Catwoman Selina Kyle, and I imagine she'd go through a similar arc. We've gotten glimpses of her fending off an attacker/purse snatcher, and practicing her powers without being transformed yet (that stunt with her leaping up the side of a building).
Is all of this going to be squeezed in before Steve even shows up? Steve's "fish out of water" story strikes me as something that's going to be popping up fairly early in the film's run time. I honestly think Diana and Barbara are friends and Barbara's stuff is happening in the backgroud while Diana deals with Steve, before the Cheetah stuff explodes somewhere in the third act.
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[QUOTE=Agent 86;4136793]Hmmmmm. I'm not loving the rumoured plot outline. I would much prefer Diana and Barbara to be friends before Barbara becomes the Cheetah. That gives Diana a direct, personal connection with Barbara and makes their conflict all the more interesting. Wonder Woman fighting Cheetah simply to stop Cheetah from killing Maxwell Lord doesn't really interest me.
I'm also surprised at Diana's naivety if she accepts an offer to act as Maxwell Lord's personal bodyguard in exchange for Lord resurrecting Steve Trevor from the dead. Such a "deal" has major red flags all over it. At this stage, Diana has been in man's world for 70 years - surely she would know to second-guess such an offer? Not to mention the practicalities of such a bargain - is she going to spend the rest of Lord's life protecting him? When Lord dies of old age, will Steve Trevor also die? And I don't love Diana being motivated by her love for Trevor. After 70 years, has Diana really not experienced love with anyone else in man's world? I get it - Trevor was certainly an above-average man - but, there are a lot of people in the world.
I'm a little concerned that DC has taken what should be a simple story (i.e. Diana and Barbara are friends and fellow artefact hunters, something happens and Barbara becomes Cheetah and the Cheetah blames Diana for her transformation), made it more complicated and most egregiously removed the personal, emotional connection between Diana and Barbara.
But, it's just a rumour. And I obviously have no idea how it will all turn out on the big-screen. And I trust that Patty Jenkins wants to do right by the character of Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
There can still be a connection between Diana and Barbara. We also don't know anthing about how lord would convince Diana to help him, or the way he will bring Steve back. There are many ways they can make it work.
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Go to the 4 min. mark of the video:
[video=youtube;p8sCnDbnV78]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8sCnDbnV78[/video]
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I find it weird nothing is being said about Cheetah and what her relationship is going to be with Diana. Everything is about Steve Trevor
Will Diana fly?
How fast and powerful is Cheetah and Diana in the movie? Instead, they seem to advertising as a love story.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153394]I find it weird nothing is being said about Cheetah and what her relationship is going to be with Diana. Everything is about Steve Trevor
Will Diana fly?
How fast and powerful is Cheetah and Diana in the movie? Instead, they seem to advertising as a love story.[/QUOTE]
I have never once seen a director for a superhero movie give a power profile of the protagonist and/or the antagonist. That's not what sells tickets.
An epic love story the audience really liked in the last movie? Now THAT sells.
We'll get info on Cheetah once the trailers start coming out.
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[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;4153419]I have never once seen a director for a superhero movie give a power profile of the protagonist and/or the antagonist. That's not what sells tickets.
An epic love story the audience really liked in the last movie? Now THAT sells.
We'll get info on Cheetah once the trailers start coming out.[/QUOTE]
They already did that in the first movie. They need to do something new. I am very afraid of the villains because what happened with Ares and Dr Poison in the first movie.
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[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;4153419]I have never once seen a director for a superhero movie give a power profile of the protagonist and/or the antagonist. That's not what sells tickets.
An epic love story the audience really liked in the last movie? Now THAT sells.
We'll get info on Cheetah once the trailers start coming out.[/QUOTE]
Well I dont disagree with you that Cheetah will be a bigger part of marketing in the future, it's not necessarily true that antagonists don't sell tickets. The Dark Knight movies all hyped up Joker and Bane. Infinity War marketing was all about Thanos. But those situations are different from 1984 so I don't think there's anything worth worrying about
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153394]I find it weird nothing is being said about Cheetah and what her relationship is going to be with Diana. Everything is about Steve Trevor[/QUOTE]
We are currently in the long desert walk of post-production, and the film isn't even out for another year and a half. It's far too early to expect talk about Cheetah or Maxwell Lord (or whatever character Pedro Pascal plays).
ETA: Also, this was primarily because Jenkins and Pine had just worked together on another project (the true crime drama they started talking about). Otherwise Jenkins wouldn't have been in that sofa.
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[QUOTE=The Kid;4153569]Well I don't disagree with you that Cheetah will be a bigger part of marketing in the future, it's not necessarily true that antagonists don't sell tickets. The Dark Knight movies all hyped up Joker and Bane. Infinity War marketing was all about Thanos. But those situations are different from 1984 so I don't think there's anything worth worrying about[/QUOTE]
Absolutely true about Antagonist being Star attraction. Don't forget Cable in Deadpool 2. But What makes 1984 and Cheetah different?
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153724]Why? What makes 1984 and Cheetah different?[/QUOTE]
Well before I answer, it's worth saying that a teaser hasn't even been released so they could still focus on Cheetah heavily. There hasn't been any marketing for this movie yet. Also, Joker is just a naturally more charismatic villain than Cheetah (and 99% of all super-villains) and they wanted to show off Heath Ledger's acting. Bane was because the trailers were all basically teasing Batman getting absolutely destroyed so there was a focus on Bane to make audiences wonder how the hell he could beat him. It was specifically tied to the story of TDKR and Bruce getting his back broken. Infinity War was basically a Thanos movie (he was literally the main character and had the most screentime) since all Avengers had been introduced in previous movies so the entire point was to focus on Thanos as a threat for the Avengers
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153394]I find it weird nothing is being said about Cheetah and what her relationship is going to be with Diana. Everything is about Steve Trevor
Will Diana fly?
How fast and powerful is Cheetah and Diana in the movie? Instead, they seem to advertising as a love story.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;4153419]I have never once seen a director for a superhero movie give a power profile of the protagonist and/or the antagonist. That's not what sells tickets.
An epic love story the audience really liked in the last movie? Now THAT sells.
We'll get info on Cheetah once the trailers start coming out.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the lack of Cheetah information is getting really annoying, but at the same time it's also a no brainer to market the hell out of Steve and his return because the romance was one of the most popular parts of the first film. It's a proven commodity.
Cheetah is also not anywhere near as much of a household name as the Batman villains, so they cannot market her based on name recognition. The film needs to deliver with her before they can market her based on name alone going forward. I don't think Aquaman's build up put a lot of focus on Ocean Master or Black Manta, and Shazam doesn't seem to be doing much with Sivana. Whereas the Joker was already hugely popular when TDK came out due to (among other things) Nicholson and B89. A new actor playing him and great buzz about his performance made it an event.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153556]They already did that in the first movie. They need to do something new. I am very afraid of the villains because what happened with Ares and Dr Poison in the first movie.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's ccurate to look at Ares and Dr. Poison as an indicator of how Cheetah will turn out. She serves a different narrative function in a different type of story. We are past the origin story where the hero needs to be the main focus. Ares and Poison fulfilled the exact function they were required to. And honestly, while we don't have a wealth of great Cheetah stories, I think her source material gives the filmmaker's a LOT more ta work with than those two. Especially Poison, who is a very minor character in the comics.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4154216]I agree that the lack of Cheetah information is getting really annoying, but at the same time it's also a no brainer to market the hell out of Steve and his return because the romance was one of the most popular parts of the first film. It's a proven commodity.
Cheetah is also not anywhere near as much of a household name as the Batman villains, so they cannot market her based on name recognition. The film needs to deliver with her before they can market her based on name alone going forward. I don't think Aquaman's build up put a lot of focus on Ocean Master or Black Manta, and Shazam doesn't seem to be doing much with Sivana. Whereas the Joker was already hugely popular when TDK came out due to (among other things) Nicholson and B89. A new actor playing him and great buzz about his performance made it an event.
I don't think it's ccurate to look at Ares and Dr. Poison as an indicator of how Cheetah will turn out. She serves a different narrative function in a different type of story. We are past the origin story where the hero needs to be the main focus. Ares and Poison fulfilled the exact function they were required to. And honestly, while we don't have a wealth of great Cheetah stories, I think her source material gives the filmmaker's a LOT more ta work with than those two. Especially Poison, who is a very minor character in the comics.[/QUOTE]
Shazam's villain Black Adam is played by The Rock and he is going to get Solo movie after Shazam.
Meanwhile Cheetah was initially offered to Emma Stone but she rejected it so I am kind of very pessimistic of importance of Cheetah in the movie