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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4155105]Shazam's villain Black Adam is played by The Rock and he is going to get Solo movie after Shazam.[/QUOTE]
And that's due to Dwayne Johnson, not any inherent popularity in Black Adam among the mainstream. They don't know who he is.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4155105]Meanwhile Cheetah was initially offered to Emma Stone but she rejected it so I am kind of very pessimistic of importance of Cheetah in the movie[/QUOTE]
Wiig was Jenkins' first choice, so Stone is irrelevant.
Maybe Stone doesn't want to do any more CBMs?
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4155615]And that's due to Dwayne Johnson, not any inherent popularity in Black Adam among the mainstream. They don't know who he is.
Wiig was Jenkins' first choice, so Stone is irrelevant.
Maybe Stone doesn't want to do any more CBMs?[/QUOTE]
Exactly should have cast a big actress as Cheetah to create Buzz and help in box office instead of casting Wiig.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4155641]Exactly should have cast a big actress as Cheetah to create Buzz and help in box office instead of casting Wiig.[/QUOTE]
First movie did just fine without big names, so I don't think that's going to matter in the long run.
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[QUOTE=Gaelforce;4155718]First movie did just fine without big names, so I don't think that's going to matter in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Not so well internationally compared to Aquaman, Suicide Squad, Black Panther, Venom
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4155801]Not so well internationally compared to Aquaman, Suicide Squad, Black Panther, Venom[/QUOTE]
Well, ss did about the same internationally. I think if they improve things from the first movie. They can get a bigger hit for the sequele.
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[QUOTE=starlight25;4155902]Well, ss did about the same internationally. I think if they improve things from the first movie. They can get a bigger hit for the sequele.[/QUOTE]
Suicide Squad did not release in China while Wonder Woman did. According to Chinese media, audience were disappointed by WW
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4155942]Suicide Squad did not release in China while Wonder Woman did. According to Chinese media, audience were disappointed by WW[/QUOTE]
How did WW gross 90M if they didn't like it?
Let's see if they like the sequele more.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4153394]I find it weird nothing is being said about Cheetah and what her relationship is going to be with Diana. Everything is about Steve Trevor
Will Diana fly?
How fast and powerful is Cheetah and Diana in the movie? Instead, they seem to advertising as a love story.[/QUOTE]
I know one thing for sure, based on another tv spot I have seen, but SHAZAM can fly!!!
So much for the number one superheroine, especially when they depower her.
Just reboot her already in the DCEU and do it right this time!!!
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[QUOTE=starlight25;4155979]How did WW gross 90M if they didn't like it?
Let's see if they like the sequele more.[/QUOTE]
Not much compared to venom it Aquaman
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4156004]Not much compared to venom it Aquaman[/QUOTE]
But still good. I do want the sequele to be better and do better.
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4155996]I know one thing for sure, based on another tv spot I have seen, but SHAZAM can fly!!!
So much for the number one superheroine, especially when they depower her.
Just reboot her already in the DCEU and do it right this time!!![/QUOTE]
The problem is the lack of feats. But this is a problem in the comics as well. For years most of her showings are sword and shield in the comics. What we need is the sequele to have more feats. I think we will see her fly on the silver screen. It's a matter of time.
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[QUOTE=Gaelforce;4155718]First movie did just fine without big names, so I don't think that's going to matter in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Patrick Wilson ain't much of a box office draw either, nor is the actor who played Black Manta.
And if Wigg is the director's choice and her vision ends up being good, that will be better than a studio choice like Stone.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4155996]Just reboot her already in the DCEU and do it right this time!!![/QUOTE]
Alternatively, they could just have her start flying instead of rebooting and throwing away the good stuff they have.
Nobody will care about the the continuity discrepancies if she starts flying in this film instead of her third. Casual audiences don't spend as much time obsessing over those details like we do.
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[QUOTE=starlight25;4156037]The problem is the lack of feats. But this is a problem in the comics as well. For years most of her showings are sword and shield in the comics. What we need is the sequele to have more feats. I think we will see her fly on the silver screen. It's a matter of time.[/QUOTE]
Well, we will definitely see more of her Super-Speed, so there is that atleast, considering the Cheetah being the villain and we have behind the scene footage of her using super speed during filming of this movie.
I would like to see her fly tho and or her creating the Invisible Jet, HERSELF! Show off those smarts Diana.
Also, make it clear that she's WAY up there in strength feats. One thing I love about the No Man's Land scene from the first movie was it was clear she was a bull in a china shop, for example the way she ran into that tank and flipped it, or took out that tower.
Now that we are like 70 years later, lets see what she REALLY can do now.
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[QUOTE=richalex;4156156]Well, we will definitely see more of her Super-Speed, so there is that atleast, considering the Cheetah being the villain and we have behind the scene footage of her using super speed during filming of this movie.
I would like to see her fly tho and or her creating the Invisible Jet, HERSELF! Show off those smarts Diana.
Also, make it clear that she's WAY up there in strength feats. One thing I love about the No Man's Land scene from the first movie was it was clear she was a bull in a china shop, for example the way she ran into that tank and flipped it, or took out that tower.
Now that we are like 70 years later, lets see what she REALLY can do now.[/QUOTE]
True. I heard Patty said she wants a more experienced and powerful Diana for the second film. And she said Diana would face incredible odds, and as she said that they showed an image of Cheetah. So i hope to see all that in the film.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4156102]Patrick Wilson ain't much of a box office draw either, nor is the actor who played Black Manta.
And if Wigg is the director's choice and her vision ends up being good, that will be better than a studio choice like Stone.
Alternatively, they could just have her start flying instead of rebooting and throwing away the good stuff they have.
Nobody will care about the the continuity discrepancies if she starts flying in this film instead of her third. Casual audiences don't spend as much time obsessing over those details like we do.[/QUOTE]
Aquaman was a visual spectacle on scale of which was not seen in Superhero movies. I don't think WW is going to have that considering Patty Jenkins previous movie.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4156252]Aquaman was a visual spectacle on scale of which was not seen in Superhero movies. I don't think WW is going to have that considering Patty Jenkins previous movie.[/QUOTE]
What does the visual spectacle have to do with the (lack of) box office draw for the actors playing Black Manta and Orm vs. Wiig as Cheetah?
WW was a stronger film than Aquaman in all other areas. Aquaman was more fun but it was also kind of dumb. Ideally, we can get great stories with in-story reasons to build spectacular visual set pieces, but if it comes down to a choice, I'd rather a stronger character driven movie that doesn't require me to shut my brain off a bit.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4156960]What does the visual spectacle have to do with the (lack of) box office draw for the actors playing Black Manta and Orm vs. Wiig as Cheetah?
WW was a stronger film than Aquaman in all other areas. Aquaman was more fun but it was also kind of dumb. Ideally, we can get great stories with in-story reasons to build spectacular visual set pieces, but if it comes down to a choice, I'd rather a stronger character-driven movie that doesn't require me to shut my brain off a bit.[/QUOTE]
If WW succeeded in being strong character driven film like Logan or Dark Knight, Captain America there would not have been any problem but WW was trying to be both a realistic gritty war movie and a dumb fun Superhero movie and turned out to be mediocre.
Choose a genre and stick to it.
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That's an unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as fact, and I believe both critical and popular reception disagree rather strongly with you.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4157104]If WW succeeded in being strong character driven film like Logan or Dark Knight, Captain America there would not have been any problem but WW was trying to be both a realistic gritty war movie and a dumb fun Superhero movie and turned out to be mediocre.
Choose a genre and stick to it.[/QUOTE]
You understand you are in the extreme minority if you think Wonder Woman was "mediocre" right?
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[QUOTE=kjn;4157118]That's an unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as fact, and I believe both critical and popular reception disagree rather strongly with you.[/QUOTE]
How does my opinion become a fact? It's a movie, people have a different opinion.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;4157124]You understand you are in the extreme minority if you think Wonder Woman was "mediocre" right?[/QUOTE]
How? It is a generic superhero movie. It is a perfectly Ok DC movie after the disaster of BvS and Suicide Squad.
People expected the movie to suck because
A) is a female superhero movie
B) It is made by DC
Well, it turned out to be ok and everybody was happy
Or are there people here who think this is the definite version of WW that do 100% justice to her character the majority.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4157226]How does my opinion become a fact? It's a movie, people have a different opinion.
How? It is a generic superhero movie. It is a perfectly Ok DC movie after the disaster of BvS and Suicide Squad.
People expected the movie to suck because
A) is a female superhero movie
B) It is made by DC
Well, it turned out to be ok and everybody was happy
Or are there people here who think this is the definite version of WW that do 100% justice to her character the majority.[/QUOTE]
Nobody knows anything about 'definitive' version. Do you honestly think 'The Dark Knight' is the definitive retelling of Batman from the comics and was 100% accutate? Nah lol. Wonder Woman was very successful, both financially and critically. Based on that, they should stick to what they're doing.
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[QUOTE=The Kid;4157258]Nobody knows anything about 'definitive' version. Do you honestly think 'The Dark Knight' is the definitive retelling of Batman from the comics and was 100% accutate? Nah lol. Wonder Woman was very successful, both financially and critically. Based on that, they should stick to what they're doing.[/QUOTE]
The first film was a hit. But there are things that can be improved. The third act was kinda weak. I think is understandable to want better villain fight and feats in the sequele.
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[QUOTE=richalex;4156156]Well, we will definitely see more of her Super-Speed, so there is that atleast, considering the Cheetah being the villain and we have behind the scene footage of her using super speed during filming of this movie.
I would like to see her fly tho and or her creating the Invisible Jet, HERSELF! Show off those smarts Diana.
Also, make it clear that she's WAY up there in strength feats. One thing I love about the No Man's Land scene from the first movie was it was clear she was a bull in a china shop, for example the way she ran into that tank and flipped it, or took out that tower.
Now that we are like 70 years later, lets see what she REALLY can do now.[/QUOTE]
We did see what she could do against Superman and Steppenwolf 70years later. And it wasn't much.
Unless otherwise noted by the DCEU people, or even Patty Jenkins herself, we can't ignore the curbstomping she and the others got by those two.
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[QUOTE=starlight25;4157294]The first film was a hit. But there are things that can be improved. The third act was kinda weak. I think is understandable to want better villain fight and feats in the sequele.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree with you there
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4157460]We did see what she could do against Superman and Steppenwolf 70years later. And it wasn't much.[/QUOTE]
Dude. Noone in the general audience cares about [I]Justice League[/I] the movie. Forget it and move on.
And the only thing people in general care about from [I]Batman v Superman[/I] is Wonder Woman's entrance.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4158164]Dude. Noone in the general audience cares about [I]Justice League[/I] the movie. Forget it and move on.
And the only thing people in general care about from [I]Batman v Superman[/I] is Wonder Woman's entrance.[/QUOTE]
We will move on when Patty and DC walks the talk and shows powerful Diana and Cheetah and build their epic rivalry instead of providing lip service on her powers and feminist ideals.
Also, do some world building! Where is Themyscira? Why can't Diana go back to Themyscira? How powerful are the Amazons.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4158164]Dude. Noone in the general audience cares about [I]Justice League[/I] the movie. Forget it and move on.
And the only thing people in general care about from [I]Batman v Superman[/I] is Wonder Woman's entrance.[/QUOTE]
So the millions of people who went to see Justice League should forget about it? Did you take a poll that shows the general audience doesn't care about the events of a movie that made millions, even if it didn't make as much as they would have liked?
Only people on this board want to forget Justice League (with a few exceptions), and those are the comic book junkies.
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[I]Jenkins will now return her focus to the much-anticipated sequel, Wonder Woman 1984, which is set in the 1980s because that’s when she became a fan of the superheroine. So, what was 1984-era Patty Jenkins like? “I was in seventh grade or sixth grade, and . . . I became a punk rocker right around there, I was in the American hardcore scene,” she said. “It was the Bad Brains and Minor Threat and Hüsker Dü . . . there were all kinds. The Replacements. I was knee-deep in all of that.”
Now Jenkins is plotting a course for the future, and among her dream projects are a love story set in New York City, where she spent years as a waitress in the East Village. And what of Diana Prince? “I have pretty clear plans for Wonder Woman 3,” Jenkins said. “Whether I [direct] it or not, I see how her arc should end in my incarnation of Wonder Woman. I have great passion for that.”[/I]
[url]https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/patty-jenkins-interview-i-am-the-night-wonder-woman[/url]
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4158207]So the millions of people who went to see Justice League should forget about it? Did you take a poll that shows the general audience doesn't care about the events of a movie that made millions, even if it didn't make as much as they would have liked?
Only people on this board want to forget Justice League (with a few exceptions), and those are the comic book junkies.[/QUOTE]
Aquaman made one small mention of Justice League and then never brought it up again. The first Wonder Woman blatantly retconned BvS so I don't see why they'd start being beholden to a flop movie that embarrassed WB
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4158207]So the millions of people who went to see Justice League should forget about it? Did you take a poll that shows the general audience doesn't care about the events of a movie that made millions, even if it didn't make as much as they would have liked?
Only people on this board want to forget Justice League (with a few exceptions), and those are the comic book junkies.[/QUOTE]
No, I wish you and the other people here who constantly complain about Wonder Woman based on the [I]Justice League[/I] movie to forget that movie. Because all the rest of us does so.
Both Snyder and Whedon are out as directors for coming DC movies. [I]Justice League[/I] made less on its opening weekend than every other DCEU movie (except Aquaman, but that opened up in the Christmas slot). It managed no better than moderate followup to that opening weekend, making it the by far lowest earner of all the DCEU movies. It was also horrendously expensive to make due to the huge reshoots, leaving its profitability in question.
(I knowingly disregard the international market here, because it's a lot more volatile depending on which countries a given film gets released in, and the studio gets less of the profits.)
[I]Aquaman[/I] did the right take towards JL: minimal nod, and moved on. Just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] did the right take towards BvS: minimal nod, and moved on.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4158422]No, I wish you and the other people here who constantly complain about Wonder Woman based on the [I]Justice League[/I] movie to forget that movie. Because all the rest of us does so.
Both Snyder and Whedon are out as directors for coming DC movies. [I]Justice League[/I] made less on its opening weekend than every other DCEU movie (except Aquaman, but that opened up in the Christmas slot). It managed no better than moderate followup to that opening weekend, making it the by far lowest earner of all the DCEU movies. It was also horrendously expensive to make due to the huge reshoots, leaving its profitability in question.
(I knowingly disregard the international market here, because it's a lot more volatile depending on which countries a given film gets released in, and the studio gets less of the profits.)
[I]Aquaman[/I] did the right take towards JL: minimal nod, and moved on. Just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] did the right take towards BvS: minimal nod, and moved on.[/QUOTE]
So do you think Patty will let WW fly in WW84 like in the comics.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4158422]No, I wish you and the other people here who constantly complain about Wonder Woman based on the [I]Justice League[/I] movie to forget that movie. Because all the rest of us does so.
Both Snyder and Whedon are out as directors for coming DC movies. [I]Justice League[/I] made less on its opening weekend than every other DCEU movie (except Aquaman, but that opened up in the Christmas slot). It managed no better than moderate followup to that opening weekend, making it the by far lowest earner of all the DCEU movies. It was also horrendously expensive to make due to the huge reshoots, leaving its profitability in question.
(I knowingly disregard the international market here, because it's a lot more volatile depending on which countries a given film gets released in, and the studio gets less of the profits.)
[I]Aquaman[/I] did the right take towards JL: minimal nod, and moved on. Just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] did the right take towards BvS: minimal nod, and moved on.[/QUOTE]
I wish you and other people here who constantly want to forget a movie not to tell others it didn't exist.
Justice League exists, they disrespected Wonder Woman as they have consistently done in the comics, and you want us 'fans' just to accept it?
Sorry, but I want a fully realized Wonder Woman who kicks ass and has the powers that she is supposed to have.
From what we can see in the trailers, have they disrespected Shazam? We know he is superstrong, does the electricity thing and can FLY. What a concept!!
I don't want to have to wait another three movies and 10 years for me to know that she will never fly, not under this incarnation.
I hope Patty will prove me wrong, but as of now it is nothing but lip service when it comes to Wonder Woman.
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4158625]I wish you and other people here who constantly want to forget a movie not to tell others it didn't exist.
Justice League exists, they disrespected Wonder Woman as they have consistently done in the comics, and you want us 'fans' just to accept it?
Sorry, but I want a fully realized Wonder Woman who kicks ass and has the powers that she is supposed to have.[/QUOTE]
Look, few really liked [I]Justice League[/I]. [I]Aquaman[/I] happily skipped everything that was said about Arthur in [I]Justice League[/I], just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] skipped everything said about Diana in BvS. WW84 will in all likelihood follow a similar strategy. Thus there is no reason to kvetch about JL outside of its own movie thread.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4159151]Look, few really liked [I]Justice League[/I]. [I]Aquaman[/I] happily skipped everything that was said about Arthur in [I]Justice League[/I], just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] skipped everything said about Diana in BvS. WW84 will in all likelihood follow a similar strategy. Thus there is no reason to kvetch about JL outside of its own movie thread.
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Just so you know, i defend WW84. I have hope that it will be good. It's a fact that she is weaker now. And that most of her showings are shield and sword instead of her actual powers. I want an epic powerful type of adventure with Wonder Woman, because i haven't had that vibe from her title in a long time. I know what i want as a fan. There is nothing wrong with that.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4159151]Look, few really liked [I]Justice League[/I]. [I]Aquaman[/I] happily skipped everything that was said about Arthur in [I]Justice League[/I], just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] skipped everything said about Diana in BvS. WW84 will in all likelihood follow a similar strategy. Thus there is no reason to kvetch about JL outside of its own movie thread.
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In actuality, DC and the DCEU is destroying my enjoyment of the character. They have never treated her with consistent respect for more than a few issues at a time and the movies prove that out.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4157226]Or are there people here who think this is the definite version of WW that do 100% justice to her character the majority.[/QUOTE]
Lol, no CBM is 100% definitive to the source material. It's kind of hard to be when the source material isn't even consistent with itself.
There is no way they could satisfactorily squeeze in every aspect of the lore in 15 movies, let alone the standard minimum of 3. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you can't accept that it's an adaptation in a sea of versions.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4158207]So the millions of people who went to see Justice League should forget about it? Did you take a poll that shows the general audience doesn't care about the events of a movie that made millions, even if it didn't make as much as they would have liked?
Only people on this board want to forget Justice League (with a few exceptions), and those are the comic book junkies.[/QUOTE]
What evidence do you have that the millions of people who saw JL spend much of their day continuing to think about it?
Like, people spend money on tickets (which is all that number tells us) and can still leave the theater saying "Whelp, that sucked. Let's go get dinner" and then promptly forget about it and move on with their lives.
DC/WB has also been incredibly transparent with wanting to move away from it. Snyder and Whedon are gone. Aquaman just gave the briefest of acknowledgements, and WW just sort of ignored the whole "Diana walks away from humanity thing" and WW84 shows she's still active.
Like kjn said, it made the lowest amount of money of a DCEU film, and had a poor critical rating.
[QUOTE=kjn;4158422]No, I wish you and the other people here who constantly complain about Wonder Woman based on the [I]Justice League[/I] movie to forget that movie. Because all the rest of us does so.
Both Snyder and Whedon are out as directors for coming DC movies. [I]Justice League[/I] made less on its opening weekend than every other DCEU movie (except Aquaman, but that opened up in the Christmas slot). It managed no better than moderate followup to that opening weekend, making it the by far lowest earner of all the DCEU movies. It was also horrendously expensive to make due to the huge reshoots, leaving its profitability in question.
(I knowingly disregard the international market here, because it's a lot more volatile depending on which countries a given film gets released in, and the studio gets less of the profits.)
[I]Aquaman[/I] did the right take towards JL: minimal nod, and moved on. Just as [I]Wonder Woman[/I] did the right take towards BvS: minimal nod, and moved on.[/QUOTE]
Preach.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4158573]So do you think Patty will let WW fly in WW84 like in the comics.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. If she doesn't here and waits until the likely third movie, I wouldn't mind. As long as it makes it to screen eventually.
It's not like we didn't have a decade of stories between Diana's introduction and her beginning to glide on air currents, and even longer when she got full blown flight. It will take you a lot longer to read all those stories in order than it will be to sit through 1-2 flightless 2 hour movies before she gets it in a later installment.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;4158625]I wish you and other people here who constantly want to forget a movie not to tell others it didn't exist.
Justice League exists, they disrespected Wonder Woman as they have consistently done in the comics, and you want us 'fans' just to accept it?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying it doesn't exist. Just that it's not worth remembering and discussing over and over again. We certainly don't want to discuss it over and over again and hear complaints about it when we're trying to be excited about a new movie by a different creator. Being excited for WW84 doesn't mean we're satisfied with everything else in the DCEU so far.
Nobody is telling you to "just accept it." People are telling you facts: Snyder, Whedon and the creative direction in the build up to JL are all gone. Jenkins had nothing to do with that. The only film she is responsible for is the origin story where Diana is only just discovering her powers, and already contradicted some details in BvS. And that was before JL was released and underwhelmed everybody. So we don't know for sure how things will go down, but there is enough bright spots to not react as if the sky is falling [B]every time[/B] a new small tidbit of 84 comes out.
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Patty Jenkins on Kristen Wiig as Cheetah:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxauyoXcAEb_yS.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxauyuWoAEOuxe.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://twitter.com/wonderwoman84hq/status/1088845678208606208[/url]
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[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4161197]Patty Jenkins on Kristen Wiig as Cheetah:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxauyoXcAEb_yS.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxauyuWoAEOuxe.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://twitter.com/wonderwoman84hq/status/1088845678208606208[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, dude, was waiting for news about Cheetah
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Chris Pine Shares Thoughts on His 'Wonder Woman' Character's Fate in Future Sequels (Exclusive): [url]https://www.etonline.com/chris-pine-shares-thoughts-on-his-wonder-woman-characters-fate-in-future-sequels-exclusive-118116[/url]
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Barbara Ann is going to be Diana's friend YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS