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[QUOTE=Gaius;5375410]The ending with Lord is actually closer to the ending I would have preferred they'd done with Ares in the first movie.[/QUOTE]
I understand that, but I do think it's built up better in this movie. This movie is just as much about the power and utility of the Lasso of Truth as it is about Diana. I also like how the movie subverts expectations for anyone expecting a more "comics accurate" Diana/Lord interaction.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5375691]I understand that, but I do think it's built up better in this movie. This movie is just as much about the power and utility of the Lasso of Truth as it is about Diana. I also like how the movie subverts expectations for anyone expecting a more "comics accurate" Diana/Lord interaction.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's fair. I knew it was less than likely with Jenkins (and also what happened with Zod in MoS), but was always afraid of the outside chance we'd get the neck snap moment when Max was first confirmed.
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[QUOTE=juan678;5373759][video=youtube;tG20xxWt4nU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG20xxWt4nU[/video][/QUOTE]
I appreciate the HISHE team for not making any [I]Cats[/I] jokes with Cheetah, those got old wayyyy before WW84 came out. :p
Also they treated Cheetah with more respect than most DC writers...props to them, I was expecting HISHE to make her a chump, but they didn't.
Also all the villains making wishes was hilarious, poor classing Zod wishing for a rematch with Superman because "it's not like he's going to kill me", haha. But Diana using her sword and shield to break the Dreamstone in their "true ending" made no sense. If her lasso, which is made by a god the same way as the Dreamstone was made, is indestructible, than the stone should be indestructible too. I think they even said in the movie the stone couldn't be destroyed.
But that's really just nitpicking.
And with Pedro being cast as Joel in [I]The Last of Us[/I] is he just Hollywood's go-to for the "single dad" actor now? That's kinda funny.
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I have a feeling that WW84 will eventually become, if not a cult classic, one of those films that many critics and viewers revist and start to appreciate more than when it first came out. I feel that the movie, as underwhelming for me as it was, had a lot of great things. I also feel that it had several key elements that already has made old-school WW fans prefer it to the first (Lasso instead of sword, Diana flying, the villain seeing the error of his ways instead of being killed/beaten to a pulp, etc). In any case, this films has definitely been divisive, but at least it was not as universally hated as Batman V Superman (I know, I know...super low bar)...
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5378748]I have a feeling that WW84 will eventually become, if not a cult classic, one of those films that many critics and viewers revist and start to appreciate more than when it first came out. I feel that the movie, as underwhelming for me as it was, had a lot of great things. I also feel that it had several key elements that already has made old-school WW fans prefer it to the first (Lasso instead of sword, Diana flying, the villain seeing the error of his ways instead of being killed/beaten to a pulp, etc). In any case, this films has definitely been divisive, but at least it was not as universally hated as Batman V Superman (I know, I know...super low bar)...[/QUOTE]
It's possible... but I don't see it happening anytime soon with WW84. BvS had that group of loyal Snyder fans who loved [I]Man of Steel[/I] and were already defending his movies like crazy. It's true WW84 is not as disliked as BvS, most casual fans thought it was ok while most casual fans didn't like BvS. But I have yet to see anyone go to the lengths to defend WW84 to the extent some fans will defend BvS (seriously they get way to into analyzing that movie and defending all aspects of it despite being littered with flaws).
Also, the theatrical release of Justice League helped a lot with the growing popularity of BvS because it took those loyal Snyder fans who loved his movies and just flicked them in the nose. Which kickstarted the whole #releasethesnydercut and got casual fans more interested because of all the commotion.
It's always possible this movie could become some kind of cult classic or something that 10 years from now people say "ok, this movie wasn't as terrible as all those loud Youtubers made it out to be." That's kind of what's happening now with the film [I]Jennifer's Body[/I] but that movie was a cult classic before more people got on board and said the movie actually isn't terrible.
Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the popularity of this movie plays out in the years to come. The internet is an ever evolving landscape that can wildly change based on one person's opinion becoming popular.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5379052]It's possible... but I don't see it happening anytime soon with WW84. BvS had that group of loyal Snyder fans who loved [I]Man of Steel[/I] and were already defending his movies like crazy. It's true WW84 is not as disliked as BvS, most casual fans thought it was ok while most casual fans didn't like BvS. But I have yet to see anyone go to the lengths to defend WW84 to the extent some fans will defend BvS (seriously they get way to into analyzing that movie and defending all aspects of it despite being littered with flaws).
Also, the theatrical release of Justice League helped a lot with the growing popularity of BvS because it took those loyal Snyder fans who loved his movies and just flicked them in the nose. Which kickstarted the whole #releasethesnydercut and got casual fans more interested because of all the commotion.
It's always possible this movie could become some kind of cult classic or something that 10 years from now people say "ok, this movie wasn't as terrible as all those loud Youtubers made it out to be." That's kind of what's happening now with the film [I]Jennifer's Body[/I] but that movie was a cult classic before more people got on board and said the movie actually isn't terrible.
Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the popularity of this movie plays out in the years to come. The internet is an ever evolving landscape that can wildly change based on one person's opinion becoming popular.[/QUOTE]
Very very good points.
I also notice the response from 'casuals' every time BvS is mentioned ("yuck") versus WW84 ("meh"), which I think is interesting.
And you know what, I feel that because WW84's overall response from general audiences seems tamer and less hateful than their response to BvS, Wonder Woman 3, if done with care and taking into account the mistakes made for WW84, is in a better position to be embraced by audiences. In other words, I feel that audiences will be more willing to "forgive" WW3 for the sins of WW84, provided of course, that the second sequel is carefully crafted. I will keep my fingers crossed.
By the way, is there any any third superhero film in a trilogy that became a much bigger financial and critical hit than a badly received part 2 in said trilogy? I don't recall any at the moment.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5379158]Very very good points.
I also notice the response from 'casuals' every time BvS is mentioned ("yuck") versus WW84 ("meh"), which I think is interesting.
And you know what, I feel that because WW84's overall response from general audiences seems tamer and less hateful than their response to BvS, Wonder Woman 3, if done with care and taking into account the mistakes made for WW84, is in a better position to be embraced by audiences. In other words, I feel that audiences will be more willing to "forgive" WW3 for the sins of WW84, provided of course, that the second sequel is carefully crafted. I will keep my fingers crossed.
[B]By the way, is there any any third superhero film in a trilogy that became a much bigger financial and critical hit than a badly received part 2 in said trilogy?[/B] I don't recall any at the moment.[/QUOTE]
[I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I] Although that's kind of a wishy-washy response because it's not a trilogy :p But I though it was better than all the other Avengers movies.
I have more hope for the 3rd instalment of WW than I do for most other trilogies.
First movie, Patty wanted to make hero origin/war movie. I know she didn't write the script but she had influenced it. All the Donner [I]Superman[/I] references, Etta Candy, the tone of the movie, all her. (Remember it was Patty that convicted WB to not do the version Snyder was going to go with. Which was Diana carrying around the lopped-off heads of warlords and being much more withdrawn and cynical).
Second movie, Patty wanted to make a campy 80's superhero movie and that's exactly what she made in WW84. She knew the tonal whiplash would cause problems, that's why she went so far as to say "this isn't a sequel to the first movie" years before WW84 came out. I know that's not really an excuse for the confusing plot elements, but the point is she wanted a full on 80's flick and that's exactly what WW84 is.
I don't know what she's planning for the 3rd movie, but she already confirmed it will be a modern superhero movie with a modern tone. So I'm guessing we will be seeing a movie with the tone similar to the first one (more gritty) but with the Diana of the second movie (not naïve, very street smart) and action scenes closer to what modern day superhero movies have.
Also it seems like almost all trilogies with a bad 3rd film are ruined because of a change of directors or heavy studio interference. Wonder Woman isn't doing the former since Patty is staying and WB seems to be much more laid back with Patty than most studio companies, so I don't think they will interfere much on the 3rd one either.
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I also want to point out a comment to the complaint about the movie that "What if someone had wished for world peace or just anything good?"
The comment said, "If someone wished for world peace, we’d probably end up with a ruthless world dictatorship that took away everyone’s rights."
Perfect counter argument right there. Idk why most audiences are thinking the Dreamstone works like Genie in [I]Aladin[/I]. It was literally made buy a god called The Duke of Deception and caused the collapse of civilizations. It's an evil stone designed to trick people, why would something good ever come out of it? It's probably the biggest complaint in the movie but people completely ignore that it's an evil rock that's constantly compared to the Monkey's Paw in the film itself.
You wish you're Mom didn't have cancer? Ok, well now she just died because the tumor in her brain disappeared and she had a hemorrhage. The whole point is what you wish for is worse than what you had before.
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[I]Thor Ragnarok[/I] was a third installment that was vastly superior to its immediate predecessor.
[I]Dark World[/I]
66% Rotten Tomatometer
75% RT Audience Score
$206M Domestic Gross
[I]Ragnarok[/I]
93% Tomatometer
87% RT Audience Score
$315M Domestic Gross (that's better than 50% improvement)
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[QUOTE=DochaDocha;5380519][I]Thor Ragnarok[/I] was a third installment that was vastly superior to its immediate predecessor.
[I]Dark World[/I]
66% Rotten Tomatometer
75% RT Audience Score
$206M Domestic Gross
[I]Ragnarok[/I]
93% Tomatometer
87% RT Audience Score
$315M Domestic Gross (that's better than 50% improvement)[/QUOTE]
It also have a different director that soft rebooted Thor from drama to Buddy comedy
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5378748]I have a feeling that WW84 will eventually become, if not a cult classic, one of those films that many critics and viewers revist and start to appreciate more than when it first came out. I feel that the movie, as underwhelming for me as it was, had a lot of great things. I also feel that it had several key elements that already has made old-school WW fans prefer it to the first (Lasso instead of sword, Diana flying, the villain seeing the error of his ways instead of being killed/beaten to a pulp, etc). In any case, this films has definitely been divisive, but at least it was not as universally hated as Batman V Superman (I know, I know...super low bar)...[/QUOTE]
Agreed I believe it will become a cult classic
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I....disagree.
It definitely did some things right, but it will be remembered for misusing Cheetah, having Diana casually rape a man when the script could have just said it was the real Steve back and having a central plot that makes no sense.
It isn't "so bad its good" or deep and challenging the way cult films can be. It's a rather simplistic film, and not very smart.
I think this one will remain about as beloved as it is now.
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I think weather or not Cheetah was misused depends on how she's used in Wonder Woman 3 (if she is indeed going to be in that film).
Her character in this movie kind of falls into the troupe of "Introduces this villain in the first movie so they will have a more prominent roll in the second." Like Black Manta in Aquaman.
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[QUOTE=DisneyBoy;5384055]I....disagree.
It definitely did some things right, but it will be remembered for misusing Cheetah, having Diana casually rape a man...[/QUOTE]
That vocal minority of internet conspiracy theorists that made-up an absurdly laughable "rape" controversy-that-never-was about WW84 (a "controversy" that never gained any traction with pretty much anyone) will be remembered...for being a vocal internet minority that nobody cares about.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5384169]That vocal minority of internet conspiracy theorists that made-up an absurdly laughable "rape" controversy-that-never-was about WW84 (a "controversy" that never gained any traction with pretty much anyone) will be remembered...for being a vocal internet minority that nobody cares about.[/QUOTE]
Here here! I wish people on this forum would QUIT bringing that up, it's pretty triggering and insulting to actual, non-fantasy trope, victims.
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[QUOTE=rayray1127;5384371]Here here! I wish people on this forum would QUIT bringing that up, it's pretty triggering and insulting to actual, non-fantasy trope, victims.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! Considering the event in question could literally never happen in real life, it's insulting - and triggering - to actual survivors.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5384169]That vocal minority of internet conspiracy theorists that made-up an absurdly laughable "rape" controversy-that-never-was about WW84 (a "controversy" that never gained any traction with pretty much anyone) will be remembered...for being a vocal internet minority that nobody cares about.[/QUOTE]
I'm completely with you on this take, but to be fair, the whole "creepiness" of WW and Steve doing it in Handsome Man's body is probably the most memed aspect of the movie.
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[QUOTE=DochaDocha;5384949]I'm completely with you on this take, but to be fair, the whole "creepiness" of WW and Steve doing it in Handsome Man's body is probably the most memed aspect of the movie.[/QUOTE]
I've seen people meme the Maxwell Lord: "Life is good, but it could be better," moment much more. The moment with a broken and battered Wonder Woman laying down on the ground also is used for Youtube Display images much more though to be fair, you can't really use the "rape" as a display image.
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The Steve thing is so fantastical that it shouldn't be equated to a real traumatic thing like rape. It IS still creepy though and also completely pointless, and deserves to get crapped on.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5384989]I've seen people meme the Maxwell Lord: "Life is good, but it could be better," moment much more. The moment with a broken and battered Wonder Woman laying down on the ground also is used for Youtube Display images much more though to be fair, you can't really use the "rape" as a display image.[/QUOTE]
You could be right. There are tons of memes out there. But the Handsome Man thing is mocked by a lot of different sources, I think it's going to be part of this legacy even if you and I don't think it's worth a fraction that its biggest detractors make it out to be.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5385267]The Steve thing is so fantastical that it shouldn't be equated to a real traumatic thing like rape. It IS still creepy though and also completely pointless, and deserves to get crapped on.[/QUOTE]
This.
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Thing is with just a few edits here and there, and maybe some added ADR, you could almost entirely edit out references to the body swapping.
Even "Handsome Guy" showing up at the end could be just be implied to be just a guy with the same bad taste in clothes as Steve.
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I don't mind Steve coming back in some other guys body, I just wish it factored into the story a little more. All the wishes seem to come with a twist AND a price.
Diana: wishes Steve back, Twist: he's in someone else body, Price: She looses her powers
Barbara: wishes to be like Diana, Twist: she gains Diana's powers (that she didn't know about), Price: She looses her humanity
Max: wises to be the Dreamstone, Twist: every time he grants a wish his health deteriorates, Price: His relationship with the one person he cares about, his son, goes downhill
President: wishes for more nukes, Twist: Almost starts WW3 when the Russians detect them, Price: Maxwell takes his authority
So Steve coming back in someone else's body was like, he's here but he's not REALLY here, that was the twist. But in the movie Diana doesn't care...
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[QUOTE=rayray1127;5384371]Here here! I wish people on this forum would QUIT bringing that up, it's pretty triggering and insulting to actual, non-fantasy trope, victims.[/QUOTE]
When you find a victim who was raped by an immortal amazon who goes around in invisible jets and rapes someone who's dead boyfriend took possession of his body, let us know. Its actually insulting to real victims to compare what they endured with the above mentioned.
[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5384169]That vocal minority of internet conspiracy theorists that made-up an absurdly laughable "rape" controversy-that-never-was about WW84 (a "controversy" that never gained any traction with pretty much anyone) will be remembered...for being a vocal internet minority that nobody cares about.[/QUOTE]
The same minority who justified a pic of WW carrying severed heads as trophies as ok, while they claimed scandal at the absurd rape theory.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5385400]When you find a victim who was raped by an immortal amazon who goes around in invisible jets and rapes someone who's dead boyfriend took possession of his body, let us know. Its actually insulting to real victims to compare what they endured with the above mentioned.[/QUOTE]
I encourage you to re-read my quote, we seem to be making the same point, but to different ends. Regardless, this subject isn't one that needs to gain ANY more traction, so I will not be piping up about it anymore. Hopefully it'll be ignored enough times that people will (please) stop bringing it up on this forum.
Peace and love to ALL!
Ray
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Huh.
Sex without consent between partners is rape.
This has been depicted in various ways in science fiction and fantasy throughout the years.
I don't want to say it was rape in WW84, I get no pleasure from it and I certainly don't wish to trigger any real life rape survivors...
But that's what it was. She used the random man's body...she touched his private parts....not Steve's...and she never even told him afterwards. And that meeting was framed as a "meet cute". Gross.
This being a fantasy movie doesn't change that.
If she kills fantasy characters does that mean it's not a death or murder because the character couldn't exist in real life..? I don't think so.
I'm not looking to argue with folks but come on...it was a rape. She is supposed to be a principled character and we don't want it to be the legacy of the film but...that's what it was. Her being pretty or a heroine doesn't absolve her of that.
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[QUOTE=rayray1127;5385633]I encourage you to re-read my quote, we seem to be making the same point, but to different ends. Regardless, this subject isn't one that needs to gain ANY more traction, so I will not be piping up about it anymore. Hopefully it'll be ignored enough times that people will (please) stop bringing it up on this forum.
Peace and love to ALL!
Ray
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my apologies - by mistake quoted you
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I just saw the Cruella trailer. I think it looks amazing, but as I watched it, I could not help but think that it could be the trailer for a Cheetah origin film starring Priscilla Rich. Yes, I know that Cruella's and Priscilla's stories are different. But something about this trailer made me fantasize about an alternate reality in which Wonder Woman (not Batman) was the member of the Trinity who got all the spin-offs, TV shows, prequel series, and even villain motion picture showcases (like Joker and Catwoman to Batman)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmRKv7n2If8[/url]
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5385717]I just saw the Cruella trailer. I think it looks amazing, but as I watched it, I could not help but think that it could be the trailer for a Cheetah origin film starring Priscilla Rich. Yes, I know that Cruella's and Priscilla's stories are different. But something about this trailer made me fantasize about an alternate reality in which Wonder Woman (not Batman) was the member of the Trinity who got all the spin-offs, TV shows, prequel series, and even villain motion picture showcases (like Joker and Catwoman to Batman)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmRKv7n2If8[/url][/QUOTE]
Considering Barbara wore all those animal skins in WW84, the comparison isn't far off at all. WW84 Barbara definitely had some Pricilla ascetics.
At least we're finally getting a Wonder Woman trilogy.
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[QUOTE=DisneyBoy;5385670]This being a fantasy movie doesn't change that.
If she kills fantasy characters does that mean it's not a death or murder because the character couldn't exist in real life..? I don't think so.
I'm not looking to argue with folks but come on...it was a rape. She is supposed to be a principled character and we don't want it to be the legacy of the film but...that's what it was. Her being pretty or a heroine doesn't absolve her of that.[/QUOTE]
Generally speaking, killing in fantasy is a ton more applicable to real life, though. For instance, when Superman killed Zod by breaking his neck (SPOILER!), perhaps it leans too heavily into movie tropes (breaking a guy's neck that way is largely unfeasible; imagine how low average life expectancy would be if our necks were that fragile!), but putting a guy into a similar chokehold has been demonstrably lethal.
If WW "raped" the guy in a more traditional sense, there'd be a lot more people who'd be outraged as you are, but what's in the movie so impractical that many people here just don't want to touch any real life comparisons.
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I get that...but having seen similar situations of body posession on Star Trek for example, it was at least done in a way that didn't cross that line in terms of sex. You could tell writers were aware of how that would play to the audience so they made a point of not letting it go there. Heck, even the movie Ghost is still plagued by the odd scene where Demi and Whoopi's characters technically make out, even if we see Demi and Patrick in the film. Here, it was like....I don't know....they wilfully walked into a problematic scenario and no one said anything about how easily it could have been avoided. It was sloppy. Wonder Woman deserved better because it is a blemish on her character.
Again, I think it will sadly remain part of the film's legacy, as well as the Max memes and barely-there Cheetah. There's not enough here to allow for it to be a cult hit. I suspect it'll just be remembered as a misstep.
And to the poster who said Cheetah's development here worked because it set her up well for sequels....sadly no. No one knew at all why she became a Cheetah by the final act of this movie. It's not even clear if she gets to keep her powers by the end of the film.
I recall reading in this thread, I think, that test screenings left Cheetah dead after the electrocution. So...it wasn't a thoughtful plan to establish her for later use. Would have been nice if it was.
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[QUOTE=DisneyBoy;5386958]I get that...but having seen similar situations of body posession on Star Trek for example, it was at least done in a way that didn't cross that line in terms of sex. You could tell writers were aware of how that would play to the audience so they made a point of not letting it go there. Heck, even the movie Ghost is still plagued by the odd scene where Demi and Whoopi's characters technically make out, even if we see Demi and Patrick in the film. Here, it was like....I don't know....they wilfully walked into a problematic scenario and no one said anything about how easily it could have been avoided. It was sloppy. Wonder Woman deserved better because it is a blemish on her character.
Again, I think it will sadly remain part of the film's legacy, as well as the Max memes and barely-there Cheetah. There's not enough here to allow for it to be a cult hit. I suspect it'll just be remembered as a misstep.
And to the poster who said Cheetah's development here worked because it set her up well for sequels....sadly no. No one knew at all why she became a Cheetah by the final act of this movie. It's not even clear if she gets to keep her powers by the end of the film.
I recall reading in this thread, I think, that test screenings left Cheetah dead after the electrocution. So...it wasn't a thoughtful plan to establish her for later use. Would have been nice if it was.[/QUOTE]
Patty herself has heavily implied Cheetah's return. When asked about the ending and Cheetah, her exact quote was “I have my reasons for making it ambiguous, and I think it’s not clear what her point of view [is] on everything that just happened. I love that we wrap up Max Lord’s point of view, and that you see the culmination of that storyline, I think is so important. But the truth is there may or may not be more to come [for Barbara].”
And on twitter when another person asked if Barbara would return, she said "We'll just have to see..." and added a bunch of winky face emojis for effect.
[URL="https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1343004173676081154"]https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1343004173676081154[/URL]
And Cheetah dying in an alternate test screening makes no sense since Patty made it clear she wanted no one to die in the movie. She even pointed it out in an interview that no one died in this film and seemed pretty proud of that fact, so I doubt it was ever her intent to have anyone die, even the villains.
I heard the alternate test ending that people disliked was Diana going on a date with handsome man at the end.
And I do think she keeps kept her powers since she was shown covering her ears when Diana began her lasso speech, and she was the only character to not be shown renouncing her wish. They had a montage of people renouncing their wishes and then cut to Barbara not renouncing her wish or even saying anything.
And I said, I think the intent for Cheetah in this film was meant to be an introduction to the character and setup for the sequels, but that doesn't mean they did it well. :p
Lol, Yeah it made no sense how Barbara became Cheetah through Max. They could have just made her slowly transform into Cheetah as a side effect of her wish, since she was loosing her humanity and had god-like powers, it's not farfetched at all that she would turn into a literal beast as a side effect. I think the writers wanted the character Cheetah, but weren't sure how to leave the audience questioning weather she had her powers or not at the end, so they kinda just had Max give her a rage boost and she *poofed* into Cheetah.
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And as for the scene with Diana and Steve, yeah it's a blemish on her character. I don't think it will effect weather this film becomes some kind of cult classic though.
BvS is sort of a cult classic and that movie has Batman committing mass murder and strapping machine guns onto his Batmobile, and that movie makes even less sense than WW84 and is much slower. The Star Wars prequels were university hated for decades but are now cult classics because of the memes. Movies become cult classics for a variety of reasons, something it's because a small but vocal group of people love it, sometimes it's because the movie is so unimaginably bazar that people want to revisit it.
Only time will tell, though.
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[QUOTE=DisneyBoy;5386958]I get that...but having seen similar situations of body posession on Star Trek for example, it was at least done in a way that didn't cross that line in terms of sex. You could tell writers were aware of how that would play to the audience so they made a point of not letting it go there. Heck, even the movie Ghost is still plagued by the odd scene where Demi and Whoopi's characters technically make out, even if we see Demi and Patrick in the film. Here, it was like....I don't know....they wilfully walked into a problematic scenario and no one said anything about how easily it could have been avoided. It was sloppy. Wonder Woman deserved better because it is a blemish on her character.
Again, I think it will sadly remain part of the film's legacy, as well as the Max memes and barely-there Cheetah. There's not enough here to allow for it to be a cult hit. I suspect it'll just be remembered as a misstep.
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There is already an entire thread all about this subject. Everything you said has already been said by various people. Me, along with others, have already stated why it's ridiculous to discuss this as if it was problematic.
I would recomend you just go read the 17 pages of discussion on there instead of stating old arguments. The thread is closed though, because it went on for far too many days and by the end there was nothing more to be said.
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?145506-(Spoilers)-So-like-quot-Steve-quot-and-Diana-in-WW84-are-we-gonna-talk-about-it/page1[/url]
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[QUOTE=DisneyBoy;5386958]I recall reading in this thread, I think, that test screenings left Cheetah dead after the electrocution. So...it wasn't a thoughtful plan to establish her for later use. Would have been nice if it was.[/QUOTE]
The leaks of the test screening stated that Cheetah wasn't killed and she was turned back into a normal human after Max have up his powers. Nothing of her dying has ever floated around, so Patty saving her for later seems to have always been on the table.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5385717]I just saw the Cruella trailer. I think it looks amazing, but as I watched it, I could not help but think that it could be the trailer for a Cheetah origin film starring Priscilla Rich. Yes, I know that Cruella's and Priscilla's stories are different. But something about this trailer made me fantasize about an alternate reality in which Wonder Woman (not Batman) was the member of the Trinity who got all the spin-offs, TV shows, prequel series, and even villain motion picture showcases (like Joker and Catwoman to Batman)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmRKv7n2If8[/url][/QUOTE]
YES! I find Barbara Minerva far less interesting than Priscilla Rich, and I really want Priscilla to be revamped. Don't try to make her sympathetic, make her a really messed up woman that has no desire of getting better
By day she is an aristocrat in the world of dark fashion. She looks and behaves kind of like Marla from Fight Club. She is has something deeply wrong with her, like she always on a combination of anti depressants, heroine, and hangover, even though she doesn't do any of those drugs. She sells really high fashion clothes made out of the rarest skins in the world. These skins are of mythical creatures, like phoenix's, unicorns, etc.
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The thing is that even though she hunts these creatures, she keeps some of the skins for herself and through rituals she embodies them with the souls and super powers of the most savage creatures. She wears various layers of beasts skins and each one of them give her this spark, this drive, and unleash the vicious personality of the Cheetah. Priscilla Rich is apathetic, tired and kind of has a disgusted with almost everything. Cheetah is vicious, bloodthirsty and relentless.
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[QUOTE=MarFarr;5385400]When you find a victim who was raped by an immortal amazon who goes around in invisible jets and rapes someone who's dead boyfriend took possession of his body, let us know. Its actually insulting to real victims to compare what they endured with the above mentioned.
The same minority who justified a pic of WW carrying severed heads as trophies as ok, while they claimed scandal at the absurd rape theory.[/QUOTE]
And how do you know it's the same people? Or did you just make that up to invalidate any criticism of this plot point?
Also, I haven't heard of immortal Amazons carrying the decapitated heads of their victims but that sure didn't stop people from making a mountain out of that particular mole hill when it didn't even make it into the movie.
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[QUOTE=FutureWonder;5385717]I just saw the Cruella trailer. I think it looks amazing, but as I watched it, I could not help but think that it could be the trailer for a Cheetah origin film starring Priscilla Rich. Yes, I know that Cruella's and Priscilla's stories are different. But something about this trailer made me fantasize about an alternate reality in which Wonder Woman (not Batman) was the member of the Trinity who got all the spin-offs, TV shows, prequel series, and even villain motion picture showcases (like Joker and Catwoman to Batman)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmRKv7n2If8[/url][/QUOTE]
Aside from both villains wearing furs, I really can't see any similarities.
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They are aristocrats with a thing for skins and mental health issues and a vicious side to them constantly hiding under the surface. In the last live action movie Cruella definitely had a double personality with one of them being the vicious one and the other being friendly and nice, but I'm not sure if there were other stories where that happened.