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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;3859995]Do you think they will keep being back Steve ? By that I don’t mean back to life but in someway in the sequels. Maybe a flashback. I mena Pines did sign multiple picture deal[/QUOTE]
I think for WW84 he's back to 'life' but he will also die again. Diana learns some kind of lesson here that made her so resolute about bringing Superman back.
After this, I doubt we'll see him for Part 3 (Wonder Woman 2022?)
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[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;3859003]I don’t know what cut of Batman v Superman you and Vanguard saw but in the one that they released here in my country, and the rest of the world, that’s not how the scene played out. She didn’t lose her shield “midfight”,[/QUOTE]
Vanguard and I are not the only posters disagreeing with you, I think you might just be mis-membering the way the fight played out?
[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;3859003]the battle was all but lost at that point, the doomy music was already playing in the background, without the shield Wonder Woman was pretty much f@£$%ed.[/QUOTE]
She cut off his arm and restrained him with the lasso long after she lost the shield.
[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;3859003]And believe me, had this not been her silver screen debut, the fight would’ve gone the way of Death of Superman with Wonder Woman bludgeoned half to death. Perhaps that's why the superman fans were so bummed, his vast immense superiority wasn't conveyed properly.[/QUOTE]
Superman fans are pissed because this was originally his solo sequel and got hijacked by guest stars and then had a LOT of his screen time cut, in a partial adaptation of his iconic death story. They could have presented WW AS IS and still done better by Superman because it's his goddamn story. I don't think Diana specifically getting a good showing here is the problem for most, if not all Superman fans. It's getting shoved out of what was supposed to be his own trilogy.
Most Superman fans don't seem to have a problem with Diana's power displays against Doomsday in this film. But if WW fans were expecting her to do more than she did like actually defeat Doomsday, in a movie where she is a background character for most of it...I'm sorry they are living in La La Land.
[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;3859003]That mistake was rectified in Justice League. Btw, the smile was ad-libbed and doesn't make any sense in the context of the scene[/QUOTE]
She loves the thrill of the challenge and no innocents were around to get harmed. It makes perfect sense.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860186]
Superman fans are pissed because this was originally his solo sequel and got hijacked by guest stars and then had a LOT of his screen time cut, in a partial adaptation of his iconic death story. They could have presented WW AS IS and still done better by Superman because it's his goddamn story. I don't think Diana specifically getting a good showing here is the problem for most, if not all Superman fans. It's getting shoved out of what was supposed to be his own trilogy.
Most Superman fans don't seem to have a problem with Diana's power displays against Doomsday in this film.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even a Superman fan per se, but when I saw the Ultimate Cut, I was pissed at how much the theater cut was jacked up from edits.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860186] She loves the thrill of the challenge and no innocents were around to get harmed. It makes perfect sense. [/QUOTE]
Precisely!!! She was enjoying the fight... and it was a relatively easy fight for her, from what we see. Not. A. Scratch. Only smirks.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;3860236]I'm not even a Superman fan per se, but when I saw the Ultimate Cut, I was pissed at how much the theater cut was jacked up from edits.
Precisely!!! She was enjoying the fight... and it was a relatively easy fight for her, from what we see. Not. A. Scratch. Only smirks.[/QUOTE]
If we had to do this whole thing over and Wonder Woman being a surprise cameo in the first Batman-Superman team up film is still desirable*, I would have liked DOS to be skipped over entirely and just done a couple Superman solos and a Batman solo to introduce stuff and make Lex and Brainiac the villains, with Bizarro or Metallo as their muscle. Wonder Woman would fight the latter alone and decisively beat him herself. Bizarro would be more ideal in this scenario.
*The mystique and excitement surrounding her cameo was awesome and I'd like it to be kept, just executed better. And of course immediately followed by her solo film as it was in reality.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860299]If we had to do this whole thing over and Wonder Woman being a surprise cameo in the first Batman-Superman team-up film is still desirable*, I would have liked DOS to be skipped over entirely and just done a couple Superman solos and a Batman solo to introduce stuff and make Lex and Brainiac the villains, with Bizarro or Metallo as their muscle. Wonder Woman would fight the latter alone and decisively beat him herself. Bizarro would be more ideal in this scenario.
*The mystique and excitement surrounding her cameo was awesome and I'd like it to be kept, just executed better. And of course, immediately followed by her solo film as it was in reality.[/QUOTE]
So you basically want DC to do a couple of Superman and a Batman solo before introducing Wonder Woman in DC? Why? They could make Wonder Woman movie along with Superman and Batman movies. There is no reason for her wait for a cameo in Superman/ Batman movies before her own movie since her world is completely unrelated to Superman or Batman.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3860346]So you basically want DC to do a couple of Superman and a Batman solo before introducing Wonder Woman in DC? Why? They could make Wonder Woman movie along with Superman and Batman movies. There is no reason for her wait for a cameo in Superman/ Batman movies before her own movie since her world is completely unrelated to Superman or Batman.[/QUOTE]
There isn't really any particular reason beyond the fact that I loved the build up in the movie with her in mysteriously in the background before exploding onto the screen for the climax. The fact that we'd never seen her on the big screen before helped make it so exciting. In the unlikely scenario that her guest starring role would be completely under wraps until the film hit theaters, Wonder Woman's surprise appearance kicking Bizarro or whoever's ass would be amazing. And beyond her role as helping in the climax, her world would be left to be developed in her own movies as it should be.
I liked the tease. I just wish the movie surrounding it could have been better. But her solo began production even before BvS hit theaters, so it's not like WB was like "here's Wonder Woman, that's all you are getting."
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860392]There isn't really any particular reason beyond the fact that I loved the build up in the movie with her in mysteriously in the background before exploding onto the screen for the climax. The fact that we'd never seen her on the big screen before helped make it so exciting. In the unlikely scenario that her guest starring role would be completely under wraps until the film hit theaters, Wonder Woman's surprise appearance kicking Bizarro or whoever's ass would be amazing. And beyond her role as helping in the climax, her world would be left to be developed in her own movies as it should be.
I liked the tease. I just wish the movie surrounding it could have been better. But her solo began production even before BvS hit theaters, so it's not like WB was like "here's Wonder Woman, that's all you are getting."[/QUOTE]
Her movie is all about her slowly learning about her powers and interacting with the outside world. Having her in a movie where she had mastered her powers completely spoils the ending of her origin movie which will be released later. There should be easter eggs about her world in Superman or Batman movie instead of a direct cameo.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3860417]Her movie is all about her slowly learning about her powers and interacting with the outside world. Having her in a movie where she had mastered her powers completely spoils the ending of her origin movie which will be released later. There should be easter eggs about her world in Superman or Batman movie instead of a direct cameo.[/QUOTE]
Letting us know that Wonder Woman is more experienced in the present day than she was in an origin story is not a spoiler in any way, shape or form. Everyone knows how superhero origins go, it's just common sense. Hasn't done any harm in the actual scenario we got. She ended up being the most popular thing in BvS (unfortunately not for the best of reasons considering the surrounding movie) and people didn't care that they knew her present day self when they went to see her solo. Her solo even had the present day framing device.
As for easter eggs vs. cameos, why not both?
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860445]Letting us know that Wonder Woman is more experienced in the present day than she was in an origin story is not a spoiler in any way, shape or form. Everyone knows how superhero origins go, it's just common sense. Hasn't done any harm in the actual scenario we got. She ended up being the most popular thing in BvS (unfortunately not for the best of reasons considering the surrounding movie) and people didn't care that they knew her present-day self when they went to see her solo. Her solo even had the present-day framing device.
As for easter eggs vs. cameos, why not both?[/QUOTE]
There is the difference between seeing her learning about her powers for 2 hours and finally mastering it and defeating the villain and suddenly popping out of nowhere and using her full powers.
Her solo did not show her using her powers in present day until the end of the movie.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3860479]There is the difference between seeing her learning about her powers for 2 hours and finally mastering it and defeating the villain and suddenly popping out of nowhere and using her full powers.
Her solo did not show her using her powers in present day until the end of the movie.[/QUOTE]
Seeing Wonder Woman debut in the present day as a fully formed badass is not spoiling anything substantial for when her backstory is told. That's why it's a [B]backstory[/B]. Even if it were set in the present nobody would be at the edge of their seats wondering if Diana would die against the movie villain having never learned to master her powers.
Diana debuting in the present day creates intrigue for learning more about her, and it doesn't spoil exactly what happened to Steve, the Amazons etc. And as I'd again like to point out, this actually wasn't remotely a problem with her in the DCEU. it's the only thing in the DCEU that has worked.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;3860498]Seeing Wonder Woman debut in the present day as a fully formed badass is not spoiling anything substantial for when her backstory is told. That's why it's a [B]backstory[/B]. Even if it were set in the present nobody would be at the edge of their seats wondering if Diana would die against the movie villain having never learned to master her powers.
Diana debuting in the present day creates intrigue for learning more about her, and it doesn't spoil exactly what happened to Steve, the Amazons etc. And as I'd again like to point out, this actually wasn't remotely a problem with her in the DCEU. it's the only thing in the DCEU that has worked.[/QUOTE]
Superman literally died in BvS. So Diana dying in her own movie is not far-fetched. She has died multiple time in comics and came back. Steve Trevor is also back in WW84
It is a problem because WW84 is already breaking canon that she gave up on Humanity 100 years and only came back because of Batman's email.
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Hans Zimmer to Score Patty Jenkins’ ‘Wonder Woman 1984’: [url]http://filmmusicreporter.com/2018/08/22/hans-zimmer-to-score-patty-jenkins-wonder-woman-1984/[/url]
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I posted this over in the general DC movie thread:
[QUOTE=kjn;3861816]I'm not sure I like this decision. While Zimmer is without a doubt an excellent composer, I'm still thinking that if they replaced Rupert Gregson-Williams, they should have looked for a woman. Instead of taking a step forward or staying in place, this feels like a step backwards.
And I'd say that Zimmer's theme from BvS only managed to capture half of Wonder Woman's character (though that was the part that he needed to capture at the time). Gregson-Williams took that work and created a theme for the other, and arguably more important, half when he composed "No Man's Land" and created a theme for a compassionate warrior.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=kjn;3861841]I'm not sure I like this decision. While Zimmer is without a doubt an excellent composer, I'm still thinking that if they replaced Rupert Gregson-Williams, they should have looked for a woman. Instead of taking a step forward or staying in place, this feels like a step backwards.
And I'd say that Zimmer's theme from BvS only managed to capture half of Wonder Woman's character (though that was the part that he needed to capture at the time). Gregson-Williams took that work and created a theme for the other, and arguably more important, half when he composed "No Man's Land" and created a theme for a compassionate warrior. p[/QUOTE]
I think that what Zach Synder asked Hans Zimmer to do. Zimmer has never disappointed with his soundtrack and he can create a more gentle theme like Interstellar, Pirates of Carribean.
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[QUOTE=kjn;3861841]I posted this over in the general DC movie thread:[/QUOTE]
Because women are not being used satisfactorily in your view, the movie is going backwards? Seriously?
What about the key grips, the production assistants and all the others that make up the movie? Do we know if they are all women, or would that also be a step backwards?
I'm glad Patty is a women because imagine the backlash over that!
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;3861983]Because women are not being used satisfactorily in your view, the movie is going backwards? Seriously?[/QUOTE]
Rather that it was a step backwards in this specific case of female representation, in comparison to the first movie.
I fully expect Hans Zimmer to do an excellent work with the soundtrack. But just as Patty Jenkins's direction benefited the portrayal of women and their experience in the first movie immensely, I'd have hoped that if they choose a new composer for [I]Wonder Woman 84[/I], they'd give a woman the chance to score a big budget blockbuster and put a creative mark on it.
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[QUOTE=kjn;3862134]Rather that it was a step backwards in this specific case of female representation, in comparison to the first movie.
I fully expect Hans Zimmer to do an excellent work with the soundtrack. But just as Patty Jenkins's direction benefited the portrayal of women and their experience in the first movie immensely, I'd have hoped that if they choose a new composer for [I]Wonder Woman 84[/I], they'd give a woman the chance to score a big budget blockbuster and put a creative mark on it.[/QUOTE]
The only female composer I know is Yoko Kanno. I don't any other famous female composer currently working in hollywood.
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3862412]The only female composer I know is Yoko Kanno. I don't any other famous female composer currently working in hollywood.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia has a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_film_score_composers"]handy list[/URL]. And if people don't know about any, isn't about time to change that?
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3861951]I think that what Zach Synder asked Hans Zimmer to do. Zimmer has never disappointed with his soundtrack and he can create a more gentle theme like Interstellar, Pirates of Carribean.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I understand. What do you mean by a more gentle theme? 'Is She With You?' (Wonder Woman's amazing bombastic theme) is Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Did you not like the soundtrack in her solo? (I loved it, mostly because it all all riffed and referenced 'Is She With You?' )
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;3862497]I don't think I understand. What do you mean by a more gentle theme? 'Is She With You?' (Wonder Woman's amazing bombastic theme) is Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Did you not like the soundtrack in her solo? (I loved it, mostly because it all all riffed and referenced 'Is She With You?' )[/QUOTE]
Oh wait I see the previous post you're responding to now.
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[QUOTE=kjn;3862452]Wikipedia has a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_film_score_composers"]handy list[/URL]. And if people don't know about any, isn't about time to change that?[/QUOTE]
Many of them are dead or too old. Patty could have hired Yoko Kanno. She is a Goddess of score!
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3862522]Many of them are dead or too old. Patty could have hired Yoko Kanno. She is a Goddess of score![/QUOTE]
Next to John Williams, nobody can score like Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Actually, I'd put them right next to John Williams. So color me THRILLED.
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Trafalgar Square is my favorite piece from Wonder Woman soundtrack, second is the Wrath of Wonder Woman... or No Man's Land... or Action Reaction. Hm.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;3862577]Next to John Williams, nobody can score like Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Actually, I'd put them right next to John Williams. So color me THRILLED.[/QUOTE]
Have you listened to Yoko Kanno scores and songs?
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3862588]Have you listened to Yoko Kanno scores and songs?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, no. My reference is pretty limited to the big themes... like Superman, Star Wars, BvS, Wonder Woman, the REAL Justice League (not Elfman) music...
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[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;3860624]Superman literally died in BvS. So Diana dying in her own movie is not far-fetched. She has died multiple time in comics and came back. Steve Trevor is also back in WW84
It is a problem because WW84 is already breaking canon that she gave up on Humanity 100 years and only came back because of Batman's email.[/QUOTE]
Superman died in BvS because they wanted to rush to a DoS adaptation. WW has no such story to adapt, none of her deaths are as noteworthy as that, they would not be on the short list for an adaptation. Introducing her in the present day and immediately following with a solo to tell her story does not spoil anything of worth. The GA isn't stupid, they understand the concepts of flashbacks, origin stories, and non-linear story telling. As they evidently did in actual real life, because she was near unanimously hailed as the highlight of BvS and then they turned up for her solo without anybody complaining about spoilers. Because stuff like fighting Ares, her time with the Amazons, and Steve and Antiope dying were not mentioned in BvS.
We don't know why or how Steve is back, or if it's really him. He could be a Dr. Psycho or whoever induced hallucination.
Breaking canon in this instance is hardly a bad thing. We comic nerds put way too much importance on canon, but the GA doesn't care. If they gloss over it, nobody will care if the movie is good. And besides, in what is basically my pointless little fanfic scenario, Diana wouldn't utter such a thing to begin with. Nor would Superman die. She'd show up at the 11th hour to help save the day, and proceed to get her own trilogy (with the first being a flashback origin-her first film is going to be an origin no matter what, so who cares?) and co-lead status in a JL trilogy.
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;3860709]Hans Zimmer to Score Patty Jenkins’ ‘Wonder Woman 1984’: [url]http://filmmusicreporter.com/2018/08/22/hans-zimmer-to-score-patty-jenkins-wonder-woman-1984/[/url][/QUOTE]
Great news. I have "Is She With You?" on near constant repeat. I can't wait to hear what he has in store for Cheetah.
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I don’t think they are planning Diana’s death. They planned multiple films with Diana. I can’t see them doing it now. The first big screen movie Wonder Woman did great. Why kill her off now? It’s only been her second movie.
[url]https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/ranchi-diaries-actress-soundarya-sharma-wonder-woman-1984-5327306/[/url]
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;3869752][url]https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/ranchi-diaries-actress-soundarya-sharma-wonder-woman-1984-5327306/[/url][/QUOTE]
Interesting, and I wonder which role Soundarya Sharma would pick up. I'm not sure they'll go with a third villain (besides Cheetah and whatever role Pedro Pascal plays), and Sharma has some of the same looks as Gal Gadot. I don't think she has the on-screen presence for Circe, given her limited cinematography and age. Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall? Or is it an attempt to bring Donna to the movie?
But it's cool than an Indian actress gets the chance in a production like this.
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;3869752]I don’t think they are planning Diana’s death. They planned multiple films with Diana. I can’t see them doing it now. The first big screen movie Wonder Woman did great. Why kill her off now? It’s only been her second movie.
[url]https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/ranchi-diaries-actress-soundarya-sharma-wonder-woman-1984-5327306/[/url][/QUOTE]
Probably a better way to explain her absence for 100 years than she gave up on humanity
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[QUOTE=kjn;3869946]Interesting, and I wonder which role Soundarya Sharma would pick up. I'm not sure they'll go with a third villain (besides Cheetah and whatever role Pedro Pascal plays), and Sharma has some of the same looks as Gal Gadot. I don't think she has the on-screen presence for Circe, given her limited cinematography and age. Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall? Or is it an attempt to bring Donna to the movie?
But it's cool than an Indian actress gets the chance in a production like this.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it could be Donna unless it's a bookend. Donna would be a baby for Diana to save in a fire in 1984. It must be someone we're not thinking of... or Vanessa, eventual Silver Swan?
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;3871246]I don't think it could be Donna unless it's a bookend. Donna would be a baby for Diana to save in a fire in 1984. It must be someone we're not thinking of... or Vanessa, eventual Silver Swan?[/QUOTE]
Diana in a flashback?
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My guess is that she's Akila or another Amazon of Bana-Mighdall. I doubt her role is huge, but with the Egyptian setting I could see it. And the Themysciran amazons were ethnically diverse in the first film, so why wouldn't the Bana-Mighdall amazons be?
I certainly don't think she's Donna Troy. And I doubt she'd get that excited over playing someone like Vanessa Kapatelis.
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[QUOTE=Nyssane;3871515]My guess is that she's Akila or another Amazon of Bana-Mighdall. I doubt her role is huge, but with the Egyptian setting I could see it. And the Themysciran amazons were ethnically diverse in the first film, so why wouldn't the Bana-Mighdall amazons be?
I certainly don't think she's Donna Troy. And I doubt she'd get that excited over playing someone like Vanessa Kapatelis.[/QUOTE]
She has done two low budget Indian movies, and she got a role in big budget Hollywood movie. Of course, she will be excited for a role no matter how short it is.
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[QUOTE=Gaelforce;3871497]Diana in a flashback?[/QUOTE]
She doesn't look like Gal though... and if a Flashback was to 21 yo Gal could still do it, right? She's pretty ageless, and could pull off Diana from about 18 yo on... or 16 I guess...
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[QUOTE=Nyssane;3871515]My guess is that she's Akila or another Amazon of Bana-Mighdall. I doubt her role is huge, but with the Egyptian setting I could see it. And the Themysciran amazons were ethnically diverse in the first film, so why wouldn't the Bana-Mighdall amazons be?
I certainly don't think she's Donna Troy. And I doubt she'd get that excited over playing someone like Vanessa Kapatelis.[/QUOTE]
I'd be on board for a Bana. She could also be playing a Goddess.
Regarding Vanessa, that would be a great roile... she becomes the Silver Swan (I don't think Vanessa is the role though... friend turned villain is Cheetah's gig here.)
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;3869752]I don’t think they are planning Diana’s death. They planned multiple films with Diana. I can’t see them doing it now. The first big screen movie Wonder Woman did great. Why kill her off now? It’s only been her second movie.
[url]https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/ranchi-diaries-actress-soundarya-sharma-wonder-woman-1984-5327306/[/url][/QUOTE]
She's apparently only about 5'4" I don't think she would be an Amazon. But who knows. She is beautiful ether way!
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[QUOTE=richalex;3871607]She's apparently only about 5'4" I don't think she would be an Amazon. But who knows. She is beautiful ether way![/QUOTE]
Ah. Ok. I think we're all off then.
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NOT SO FAST...
Apparently, there was an audition, months ago, and nothing after.
Soundarya Sharma: Have not bagged the 'Wonder Woman' role ye ..
Read more at:
[url]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65576188.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst[/url]
"I did go to New York a couple of months back and gave audit ..
Read more at:
[url]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65576188.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst[/url]
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But I do quite like the theory that she may be cast as Indira Gandhi, the Prime Minister of India. She was murdered in 1984. This would definitely fit with her "larger than life character/ dream role" statement.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;3873354]But I do quite like the theory that she may be cast as Indira Gandhi, the Prime Minister of India. She was murdered in 1984. This would definitely fit with her "larger than life character/ dream role" statement.[/QUOTE]
Indira Gandhi was old and mother of two adults. Sharma is just 21. But yeah Indira Gandhi's assassination by her Sikh security guards resulted in riots by ruling Congress party which resulted in deaths of 2800 Sikhs even though unofficially it is a larger no.