[I]@PattyJenks teases #WonderWoman 3: "I'm not dying to do another period piece ... it's definitely a contemporary story."[/I]
[url]https://twitter.com/THR/status/1089253029507883008[/url]
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[I]@PattyJenks teases #WonderWoman 3: "I'm not dying to do another period piece ... it's definitely a contemporary story."[/I]
[url]https://twitter.com/THR/status/1089253029507883008[/url]
Hopefully this means we get a modern story. I hope it's Circe.
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4161197]Patty Jenkins on Kristen Wiig as Cheetah:
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[url]https://twitter.com/wonderwoman84hq/status/1088845678208606208[/url][/QUOTE]
It seems they're going with the tragic friendship angle for Cheetah and Wonder Woman. I'm intrigued now.
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4161542]Chris Pine Shares Thoughts on His 'Wonder Woman' Character's Fate in Future Sequels (Exclusive): [url]https://www.etonline.com/chris-pine-shares-thoughts-on-his-wonder-woman-characters-fate-in-future-sequels-exclusive-118116[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm still trying to make sense of what role he'll be playing in WW84, we all saw that plane blow up with Steve Trevor in it. I guess we'll just have to patiently wait for 2020 to find out.
[QUOTE=starlight25;4159178]Just so you know, i defend WW84. I have hope that it will be good. [B][U]It's a fact that she is weaker now. And that most of her showings are shield and sword instead of her actual powers[/U]. I want an epic powerful type of adventure with Wonder Woman, because i haven't had that vibe from her title in a long time. I know what i want as a fan. There is nothing wrong with that[/B].[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Just have to wait to see if what Patty Jenkins does with WW84. I am hoping it blows all my expectations which admittedly are few and low. I would love to see the return of Themyscira, the reinstatement of the Olympians who must certainly should be alive (Hera, Zeus, Athena, Hermes, Aphrodite, Ares, Hephaestus, Apollo, etc.), the return of Diana's real origin (clay brought to life), but I guess I may have to hold out until the 3rd WW movie installment for that? 🤔
[QUOTE=Last Son of Krypton;4162871][I]@PattyJenks teases #WonderWoman 3: "I'm not dying to do another period piece ... it's definitely a contemporary story."[/I]
[url]https://twitter.com/THR/status/1089253029507883008[/url][/QUOTE]
Glad she's confirming what I've long suspected. WW3 being set in modern times always seemed the most logical route.
[QUOTE=Joao;4161969]Barbara Ann is going to be Diana's friend YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS[/QUOTE]
Isn't it great?!
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4163458]Hopefully this means we get a modern story. I hope it's Circe.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Circe is the main candidate I want to see. Maybe Veronica Cale as well, but I expect Cheetah will be around in modern times too due to her curse.
[QUOTE=LadyP;4164023]Agreed. Just have to wait to see if what Patty Jenkins does with WW84. I am hoping it blows all my expectations which admittedly are few and low. I would love to see the return of Themyscira, the reinstatement of the Olympians who must certainly should be alive (Hera, Zeus, Athena, Hermes, Aphrodite, Ares, Hephaestus, Apollo, etc.), the return of Diana's real origin (clay brought to life), but I guess I may have to hold out until the 3rd WW movie installment for that? [/QUOTE]
The Gods and return to Themyscira might be likely. But the clay birth is IMO unlikely to appear. Though maybe Jenkins will just ignore Diana's conception altogether and focus on other stuff.
I wonder if Cheetah is going to be in the modern film for 3. What arc would they follow?
At a guess, their own, but given the comments from Patty Jenkins and others I guess it will be closest to Rucka's Rebirth arc, with Maxwell Lord replacing Veronica Cale as the person who manipulates Barbara Ann Minerva into becoming the Cheetah.
If that is so, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cheetah transformation doesn't happen until late in the film, leaving Cheetah as a major player for [I]Wonder Woman 3[/I] as well. But don't quote me on that :p
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4166218]I wonder if Cheetah is going to be in the modern film for 3. What arc would they follow?[/QUOTE]
Maybe Diana trying to rehabilitate Barbara, possibly even going so far as to make some kind of a deal with Circe (who is known for her magical human / beast transformations)?
And that "deal" somehow leads to Circe trying to take control of the Amazons to use for her nefarious plans (mainly because I want to see a LOT more of Themyscira and the Amazons).
I like the things i have heard from Patty regarding this film.
It also seems maybe we might get either Banas or another ancient tribe. I mean it’s cheetah so we might have a ritual going on
There seems to be a lot of Egyptian stuff going on. I hope this means that Barbara is cursed by an Egyptian feline deity. They have several, and I'd prefer that to Urzkartaga.
Maybe connect it to the Bana as well.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4191291]There seems to be a lot of Egyptian stuff going on. I hope this means that Barbara is cursed by an Egyptian feline deity. They have several, and I'd prefer that to Urzkartaga.
Maybe connect it to the Bana as well.[/QUOTE]
I'd also prefer them to use the Egyptian goddess Mafdet and to distance themselves from the less palatable aspects of Urzkartaga's comic book history (e.g. where Barbara was punished with the Cheetah curse for not being a virgin).
It seems a neat and tidy way to tie together various story threads (e.g. the Banas), even if they're not all used in this film (i.e. it partly serves as set-up for future films, maybe even a spin-off focusing on an anti-heroine Artemis).
One thing I like is Mafdet is the goddess of justice. I would really like it if they did something with that. Barbara should be using her's to get her revenge.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4191861]One thing I like is Mafdet is the goddesses of justice. I would really like it if they did something with that. Barbara should be using her's to get her revenge.[/QUOTE]
Oooooh. Good point. That's really juicy for exploration given that Wonder Woman also often stands for justice (even if it's part of Superman's famous catchphrase: Truth, Justice and the American Way).
If I’m not mistake she is also the goddess of judgment and execution. So I wonder with that how should cheetah’s powers be written. Mafdet is generally known for ripping the hearts out of enemies.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4197390]If I’m not mistake she is also the goddess of judgment and execution. So I wonder with that how should cheetah’s powers be written. [B]Mafdet is generally known for ripping the hearts out of enemies.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well. Cheetah is no stranger to that.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/tXHZ7xF.jpg[/url]
I wonder in Wonder Woman 77, Cheetah has the blade of Mafdet which turned people into cheetah's at her command. What do you guys think about that?
Won't this movie damage Wonder Woman's progressive reputation if it's Cold War propaganda set in the 80s? The CIA was butchering Central Americans by the thousands at the time but the description of the movie is going to make the USSR the villains? Okay.
The USSR was also doing terrible things. This sin't the first Cold War movie that did this.
Patty Jenkins tweeted supporting Captain Marvel movie with a picture showing WW and CM flying together. Is it a hint WW will finally fly in WW84
[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1103662254627659777"]https://mobile.twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1103662254627659777[/URL]
[QUOTE=Geraldofrivia;4244683]Patty Jenkins tweeted supporting Captain Marvel movie with a picture showing WW and CM flying together. Is it a hint WW will finally fly in WW84
[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1103662254627659777"]https://mobile.twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1103662254627659777[/URL][/QUOTE]
I say no. The DCEU would never do something that drastic!
This makes me think that Patty had planned for her to fly but Dc or someone else doesn't want her
Pedro Pascal "teasing" his role in WW84: [url]https://twitter.com/WonderWoman84HQ/status/1105567666310443008[/url]
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4246227]This makes me think that Patty had planned for her to fly but Dc or someone else doesn't want her[/QUOTE]
I don't think the tweet indicate that DC/WB won't let her. It could go in any direction.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4243899]The USSR was also doing terrible things. This sin't the first Cold War movie that did this.[/QUOTE]
Other movies supporting a far-right version of history doesn't make a supposedly progressive franchise also doing so a good thing.
[QUOTE=EsotericFailures;4247619]Other movies supporting a far-right version of history doesn't make a supposedly progressive franchise also doing so a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Whether or not the WW84 movie deals with or doesn't deal with the Cold War versus other atrocities in the world is (a) pure speculation and (b) not relevant to this discussion.
Let's leave this for actual discussion of what we actually know about the actual movie, please :)
Apparently, [url=https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-1984-is-not-a-sequel/]WW84 won't be an actual sequel[/url] but a "stand-alone movie" with ties to the original.
Yeah, I don't know how that's work.
[QUOTE=Korath;4251377]Apparently, [url=https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-1984-is-not-a-sequel/]WW84 won't be an actual sequel[/url] but a "stand-alone movie" with ties to the original.
Yeah, I don't know how that's work.[/QUOTE]
I think they mean it will be part of the same continuity, but be a largely self contained story. A different chapter in Diana's life.
Kind of Like Batman Returns was to Batman 1989. It didn't continue any arcs beyond having Bruce, Alfred, Gordon and Gotham in it. Though I don't see how they can avoid all arcs from the first film when we consider all the weirdness surrounding Steve.
On the plus side, maybe everything related to Zeus will be left in the first film and we can just avoid talking about Diana' lineage altogether?
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4251396]I think they mean it will be part of the same continuity, but be a largely self contained story. A different chapter in Diana's life.
Kind of Like Batman Returns was to Batman 1989. It didn't continue any arcs beyond having Bruce, Alfred, Gordon and Gotham in it.[/QUOTE]
If it's true, I wonder how it'll affect the movie.
On the one hand, audiences are pretty much used to movies now being just part of a never ending extended universe -especially when it comes to superhero movies- so a stand alone film may feel lacklustre to some, I think.
On the other hand, having an actual superhero movie which doesn't feel like simply a part of a never ending arc may be so dam refreshing, if it's well thought out, well filmed and well delivered, that it can be a huge boon.
I just hope that Patty will have avoided the pitfalls of the first movie (the time-travel plotholes, the third arc which killed the momentum and message of the movie just to avoid Diana confronting head on the darkness lurking in Mankind's hearts), because if she does, WW84 may be a shining star, not just a good superhero movie finally trating a female main character correctly and decently.
[QUOTE=Korath;4251377]Apparently, [url=https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-1984-is-not-a-sequel/]WW84 won't be an actual sequel[/url] but a "stand-alone movie" with ties to the original.
Yeah, I don't know how that's work.[/QUOTE]
It all depends on how you interpret the word "sequel". In marketing terms, it obviously is. But narratively, it seems to be its own thing entirely. The comparison the CBR article does to the Bond films is a good one: same main character, some returning supporting characters, a new story with no relation to the previous one. We will probably see some changes in character for Diana between the two movies, but nothing revolutionary.
[QUOTE=Korath;4251404]On the one hand, audiences are pretty much used to movies now being just part of a never ending extended universe -especially when it comes to superhero movies- so a stand alone film may feel lacklustre to some, I think.
On the other hand, having an actual superhero movie which doesn't feel like simply a part of a never ending arc may be so dam refreshing, if it's well thought out, well filmed and well delivered, that it can be a huge boon.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, a great and mostly self contained film would be great vs. a film that is in part an extended trailer for the next one.
[QUOTE=Korath;4251404]I just hope that Patty will have avoided the pitfalls of the first movie (the time-travel plotholes, the third arc which killed the momentum and message of the movie just to avoid Diana confronting head on the darkness lurking in Mankind's hearts), because if she does, WW84 may be a shining star, not just a good superhero movie finally trating a female main character correctly and decently.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't any time travel in the first film. And I think Diana was made aware of the darkness in mankind's hearts, she learned they did it all themselves and Ares wasn't responsible for anything besides making things worse. She was just forced to grow up and had to adjust her ideals/world view accordingly.
But I agree the third act in the next film needs to be stronger. The origin film can get away with having a weaker antagonist because the main focus needs to be on the hero, and comics Ares didn't give them much to work with. And it was Patty's first blockbuster feature. With the set up out of the way and more experience to work the kinks out, hopefully she can knock it out of the park.
[QUOTE=Korath;4251377]Apparently, [url=https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-1984-is-not-a-sequel/]WW84 won't be an actual sequel[/url] but a "stand-alone movie" with ties to the original.
Yeah, I don't know how that's work.[/QUOTE]
It makes sense to me. There will be some obvious ongoing storylines, particularly Steve's death in the first World War and possibly something to do with Diana's relationship with Queen Hippolyta and the Amazons (although those scenes could all be flashbacks), but otherwise it's is set MANY years after the first film and predominantly appears to feature a new storyline and new characters (again with the exception of Steve Trevor).
I imagine that one could say much the same about Captain America and Winter Soldier.
The comments about not being a sequel have been going around for a while. It really doesn't matter if it's called a sequel or not. What matters is for the film to be good.
[url]https://batman-news.com/2019/03/19/cheetah-origin-wonder-woman-1984/[/url][ATTACH=CONFIG]80007[/ATTACH]
What do you all think? Good idea or no? It really sounds like something out of Ghostbusters, which came out in 1984...i love Ghostbusters I don't want to see Ghostbusters in Wonder Woman. First a callback to Superman '78 now this.
[QUOTE=richalex;4260677]What do you all think? Good idea or no?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say "totally changed", especially since Cheetah has had several backstories; even as Barbara Ann Minerva she has had at least two. It can certainly work: the quality of script and execution matters far more than anything else here.
What I hope for most is that Barbara and Diana are allowed to be friends, or at least have a meaningful relation in WW84.
This new origin is probably connected with the Bana Mighdall, my guess is that Barbara snatches the power of the Shim-Tar which she’s unworthy of and winds up cursed instead
I think they can make it work. Cheetah has a lot of potential.
[QUOTE=richalex;4260677][url]https://batman-news.com/2019/03/19/cheetah-origin-wonder-woman-1984/[/url][ATTACH=CONFIG]80007[/ATTACH]
What do you all think? Good idea or no? It really sounds like something out of Ghostbusters, which came out in 1984...i love Ghostbusters I don't want to see Ghostbusters in Wonder Woman. First a callback to Superman '78 now this.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't sound so new or different. Since Perez, Barbara has been envious of/ admired/ or wanted to be like Diana and makes a deal/ a wish to be like Diana, and ends up cursed. Right? It's kinda semantics and specifics.
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What do you all think? Good idea or no?[/QUOTE]
I'll wait and see. If Barbara has some kind of adventure with Diana, they become friends and Barbara starts to feel inferior as a "human" / resents Diana because she's a demigoddess / wants to more actively participate in their adventures without feeling helpless and proactively seeks out some mystical artefact to become a "goddess" herself, albeit with tragic consequences, I could see it working. And it's not too dissimilar to some of the prior origins for Cheetah.
I just hope that whatever turns Barbara into Cheetah isn't due to the manipulation of a third party. I'm fine if Barbara tries to become Cheetah for the "wrong" reasons (it would add to the complexity of the character), but I think it's important that it is a proactive decision by Barbara, not the result of Barbara being used as a tool by some other villain.
As for Barbara finding a magical lamp, rubbing it and wishing to be a goddess - well, I certainly hope that isn't how the wish fulfilment plays out. I'd prefer to see Barbara being a competent archaeologist who does appropriate research on an artefact and, for whatever reasons, has credible grounds for utilising that artefact to give herself powers. Basically, I want to see Barbara work towards it, rather than being handed to her. Of course, the surprise / sad reveal will be that what she wishes for comes with a very high price (i.e. the removal of her humanity).
Charles Roven explains WW84 release date delay:
[video=youtube;BxPwTe1o4lc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxPwTe1o4lc[/video]
[QUOTE=richalex;4260677][url]https://batman-news.com/2019/03/19/cheetah-origin-wonder-woman-1984/[/url][ATTACH=CONFIG]80007[/ATTACH]
What do you all think? Good idea or no? It really sounds like something out of Ghostbusters, which came out in 1984...i love Ghostbusters I don't want to see Ghostbusters in Wonder Woman. First a callback to Superman '78 now this.[/QUOTE]
Not that far from Year One, is it? Barbara wants to interact and be part of the godly world Diana comes from. And I can see the dramatic potential. I'm okay with it.