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[QUOTE=Cruelrain;4921832]my only problem with the retcon is that Quicksilver and Magneto are very similar to not be related lol
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That happened for the retcon of him being their father though. Before that, no one saw what Mags really looked like. Just his crazy eyes through a helm.
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[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4640870]I read Darker than Scarlet and the only thing Magneto did on that story was take Wanda to asteroid M after she went comatose because of her loss of Vision and her children and even he was surprised by the level of bloodlust she had[/QUOTE]
The cruelty of the comicbook character Wanda was very surprising not only for the comicbook character Magneto but also for her team-mates..
[QUOTE=616MarvelYear is LeapYear;4908882][CENTER][SIZE=5][COLOR="#0000FF"][I]Avengers West Coast #56[/I] Mar 1990[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]"Darker than Scarlet..." Guest-starring Magneto and Quicksilver.[/SIZE]
The Scarlet Witch has imprisoned Wonder Man, Wasp, USAgent and Agatha Harkness
and boasts at how she has switched sides, and is now anti-human,
while her friends are very puzzled as to Wanda‘s sudden change.
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Meanwhile, Hank Pym explains to Human Torch and Ann Raymond what has been
happening with Tigra and learns that she is missing, which is watched by Immortus.
The Human Torch and Ann Raymond go in search of Tigra. While searching for Tigra,
the Human Torch is witness to a government agent bringing the Avengers West Coast an eviction notice!
Iron Man decides to take a few days off, when the emergency signal goes off and he is called back to Palos Verde.
Hank also received the signal which leads him to Wanda’s cottage.
En route, he recalls a recent meeting he had with her, in which he tried to examine her powers,
learning that her powers have grown at an incredible rate so that she can now do things with a retroactive affect.
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Before Hank can reveal his presence, Magneto appears.
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Hank makes his entrance and holds Wanda at arms,
only for Quicksilver to come to his sisters rescue,
making it a family reunion unlike no other, while the rest of the heroes still remain helpless.
[B]Story[/B] by John Byrne. [B]Art[/B] by John Byrne and Paul Ryan.[/CENTER][/QUOTE]
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The sooner the twins go back to Magneto's children again the better. They're far more interesting with that background and gives their relationship with Magneto more depth that no Avengers can fill.
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[QUOTE=Steel Inquisitor;4921918]The sooner the twins go back to Magneto's children again the better. They're far more interesting with that background and gives their relationship with Magneto more depth that no Avengers can fill.[/QUOTE]
Well, as a Wanda fan I feel more comfortable with an Elder God as her sort of father figure.
And what exact influence does Mag have? I wouldn't even consider it positive or negative, just random and pointless.
Like, "sleep in Mag's HQ and wake up full evil" is certainly something I don't care for, and don't fool yourself thinking she would get this development anyway despite her "family connection".
Edit: Also, nice username I guess, don't know if it's Mistborn related, but cool nevertheless.
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Quicksilver should be his son again, and he has experience with the x-men.
And they look alike...
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[QUOTE=MaximoffTrash;4921951][B]Well, as a Wanda fan I feel more comfortable with an Elder God as her sort of father figure.[/B]
And what exact influence does Mag have? I wouldn't even consider it positive or negative, just random and pointless.
Like, "sleep in Mag's HQ and wake up full evil" is certainly something I don't care for, and don't fool yourself thinking she would get this development anyway despite her "family connection".
Edit: Also, nice username I guess, don't know if it's Mistborn related, but cool nevertheless.[/QUOTE]
Since when comics exist to make people comfortable?
And I wonder where this trend people have to imagine divine pedigree to their heroes comes from? Having human or mutant ancestors is not good enough?
No, for me, like Steel Inquisitor said, it's just interesting that Magneto is their father.
He doesn't have to be useful. He can be like most of the fathers, and it isn't generally on purpose: inadequate.
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So let's say that's what they do make him their father again, what happens? We all know their father killed their mother, is that what we get them being super angry at him and want to kill him. Also it means he cheated on Magda, running their romance. Making him their father now ruins characters, robs us of potential story lines all to please some who are so scared of change to the stories they know that it probably slips their mind on the huge gap of comic history all the characters had before this time.
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[QUOTE=Noek;4922032][…] We all know their father killed their mother,[…][/QUOTE]
Hum, no, Magneto didn't kill his wife. She left him.
[QUOTE=Noek;4922032][…]Also it means he cheated on Magda, running their romance..[…][/QUOTE]
When did he cheat on Magda?
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I think they are talking about the ‘latest’ retcon from the scarlet whitch series. In there, Wanda finds out her real mom is some named Natalya (who is a witch) and that her mom was killed by her dad (the dad is never named.) so if marvel uses that as an opening to make mats the dad again, that means he would have killed wanda’s mom (it’s possible...) but wouldn’t have cheated on Magda ( because no way will marvel keep Wanda and poetry tied to WWII like that. They will say Natalya years happened after Magda died.)
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[QUOTE=MaximoffTrash;4921951]Well, as a Wanda fan I feel more comfortable with an Elder God as her sort of father figure.
And what exact influence does Mag have? I wouldn't even consider it positive or negative, just random and pointless.
Like, "sleep in Mag's HQ and wake up full evil" is certainly something I don't care for, and don't fool yourself thinking she would get this development anyway despite her "family connection".
Edit: Also, nice username I guess, don't know if it's Mistborn related, but cool nevertheless.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. Also Wanda is more interesting on her own. I'm not sure how a relationship that doesn't really exist in her narrative and never really did makes her more interesting. Having had brief appearances in her life does not create that. Most of her life and relationships were on the Avengers side. So if anything makes her more interesting, it'd be stuff there. Since that actually, canonically had an impact.
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[QUOTE=Zelena;4921971]Since when comics exist to make people comfortable?
And I wonder where this trend people have to imagine divine pedigree to their heroes comes from? Having human or mutant ancestors is not good enough?
No, for me, like Steel Inquisitor said, it's just interesting that Magneto is their father.
He doesn't have to be useful. He can be like most of the fathers, and it isn't generally on purpose: inadequate.[/QUOTE]
It's that Chthon has some link to her still. And it is interesting to have the source of her power be her father. They did this with Victoria Montesi. She and Wanda also share resemblance. They could be sisters.
I'd really like for people to explain why Mags being their dad makes them more interesting. Because they existed for a few decades without him. And Wanda's most popular years were before even the Mags is their dad reveal.
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[QUOTE=Cruelrain;4921957]Quicksilver should be his son again, and he has experience with the x-men.
And they look alike...[/QUOTE]
They look alike because they made Mags have the same hair as Pietro for his face reveal. Because they had already planned to retcon the twins into being his kids. For me, no one is their parents more than Marya and Django. Even if they retconned Mags back. He was still not there, both through not having known at first and then being absentee after.
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[QUOTE=GenericUsername;4922242]They look alike because they made Mags have the same hair as Pietro for his face reveal. Because they had already planned to retcon the twins into being his kids. For me, no one is their parents more than Marya and Django. Even if they retconned Mags back. He was still not there, both through not having known at first and then being absentee after.[/QUOTE]
No they didn't, Neal Adams mentions it was all a coincidence. Magneto being linked to the twins was not planned when Magneto's face was revealed.
[URL]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-magneto-quicksilver-appearance/[/URL]
Bryne and Magda looking like Wanda on the other hand...
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[QUOTE=Zelena;4921971]Since when comics exist to make people comfortable?
And I wonder where this trend people have to imagine divine pedigree to their heroes comes from? Having human or mutant ancestors is not good enough?
No, for me, like Steel Inquisitor said, it's just interesting that Magneto is their father.
He doesn't have to be useful. He can be like most of the fathers, and it isn't generally on purpose: inadequate.[/QUOTE]
Oh, this has everything to do with some readers feeling comfortable.(Maybe except for Pietro fans who actually lose stuff out of it.)
"Comfortable" is not an issue as long as comics didn't affect their comfort zone, which this retcon clearly does. Why else do you think so many people got upset over this?
Aside from people who actually lose potential interest, it's just people who feel comfortable with the decades old canon, which is pretty old despite being none-consequential.
I am not part of whatever trend you are talking about, Django and Marya are good enough parents for the twins, at least Wanda.
If she ever needs a challenge or more evil parent figure, it's Chthon's job. And he can play the full-on evil patriach without much burden really.
And you are talking about needing heroes to have divine heritage? How many people feel the need for a certain hero to come from a "mutant royalty"?
And I wouldn't trade Chthon for a more powerful cosmic beings, or any other demon/god, it's never about good enough.
Yes, he doesn't have to be useful to his kids storywise, so him being their dad or not doesn't matter, the retcon does nothing significant, except for blowing up a lot of comfort zone.
And the only solid argument for me, it's just the potential pages and development Pietro can get.
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[QUOTE=leokearon;4922272]No they didn't, Neal Adams mentions it was all a coincidence. Magneto being linked to the twins was not planned when Magneto's face was revealed.
[URL]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-magneto-quicksilver-appearance/[/URL]
Bryne and Magda looking like Wanda on the other hand...[/QUOTE]
I had read way before that article that it was. Hmm, that had to have been misinformation. But it was way back before the internet was popular use, and comics sites were webrings. Thanks for the clarification.
Wanda also looks like Marya or Natalya.