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I never said full on secert Id. I just said her using the Diana Prince is every day and then for few times. Try but Diana already is kind of hard to blend in . I’m not saying she needs a 9 to 5. Rather why couldn’t just decide to use a name. Especially if she has gone undercover many times throughout Dc universe. She would also need a name for getting that house before she was famous. Unless Argus paid for that house
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;4015160]The secret identity was an established trope in superheroes by the time Marston created Wonder Woman. Virtually every superhero starting from Superman himself had it. It wasn't an original concept within the WW mythos.
As for the rest, I feel this is a scapegoat of COIE because it ignores that DC has a huge problem with learning from mistakes and WW had been reinvented at least twice prior to this.[/QUOTE]Yeah they seem to want to use those reboots to "wipe the slate clean", but... in the long run that makes more work because they now NEED to retell stories that have been told already.
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[QUOTE=marhawkman;4015536]Yeah they seem to want to use those reboots to "wipe the slate clean", but... in the long run that makes more work because they now NEED to retell stories that have been told already.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they need to. After all, the point of a reboot is to start afresh which means not doing the exact same thing.
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[QUOTE=Bound4olympus;4015152]Im not necessarily advocating the secret id. I like it but I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary for me to enjoy Wonder Woman. However, giving Diana her secret ID back is not “putting a troupe in her mythos just because other heroes are doing it” Diana Prince is an original core concept of the characters mythos. They are tied. Wonder Woman/Diana Prince is part of the reason a secret identity is a trope. I think COIE did some great things for Wonder Woman but I firmly believe it was the beginning of the tear down and rebuild in the authors image routine that each new creative team has adopted. Getting rid of half of her character, limiting the powers of her lasso, eliminating her love interest and replacing her cast of characters may have seemed like a good idea at the time but it really damaged the mythos permanently.[/QUOTE]
Well, the "tear down" of Diana started basically as soon as Marston left, though I would agree that the shifts weren't as big as what we've seen since the Crisis events started. And yes, that constant re-imagining of Diana's world is a huge problem for the franchise and (IMO) the leading reason why she's lagged behind Clark and Bruce.
And it's true that Marston put the secret ID in place, and as I said earlier in the thread the concept deserves some recognition and consideration for that. But I've considered and recognized it, and I believe it's one of those things that doesn't, and perhaps shouldn't, continue to be used in the mainstream version. Characters, especially from that era, always end up shedding some aspect of their original design. Batman used to use guns, Superman grew up in an orphanage, etc. Those things were changed and removed, and I think Diana having a full fledged secret identity should be one of those things too. A civilian ID that lets her order a pizza is sufficient. In my opinion of course.
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Diana is not the type of person to hide who she is.
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If she did have to use Diana it’s simply for property. I mean she wasn’t a recognized person when she came. So I don’t mind her using it for simple reasons.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4014491]
Well, Clark's a hypocrite for a lot of reasons, [/QUOTE]
I said nothing about anyone being a hypocrite and I was suggesting it's a very different kind of Truth that Superman and Wonder Woman stand for and might not be truth in petty terms like keeping secrets from the public. Rather it's truth as a Platonic ideal. And that's something they are fighting for as an ultimate goal.
If you are fighting for Love among all of humanity, that doesn't mean that you need to go around kissing everyone on the planet and if you don't you must be a hypocrite. Yet comic book fans like to engage in such gamesmanship where they establish a set of arbitrary rules for the characters and then they attack the characters for not conforming to those rules.
If keeping stuff hidden means that a character is insincere, then where does that end? Superman and Wonder Woman must go out in their birthday suits and if they dare to clothe their bodies and keep parts of themselves hidden, then they're hypocrites. This is the kind of silly argument that readers impose on the stories and if the writers had to follow that logic their hands would be tied to do anything creative with the characters.
But maybe Clark and Diana are smart people and they aren't going to engage in this [I]reductio ad absurdum[/I] kind of thinking. They see the big picture and realize that using a secret identity can sometimes help in their mission. Just like cops will often work undercover and aren't bound to reveal their true identities to everyone all the time, when they are pursuing justice for the wronged.
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[QUOTE=Jim Kelly;4018362]I said nothing about anyone being a hypocrite and I was suggesting it's a very different kind of Truth that Superman and Wonder Woman stand for and might not be truth in petty terms like keeping secrets from the public. Rather it's truth as a Platonic ideal. And that's something they are fighting for as an ultimate goal.[/QUOTE]
What? No I know you weren't calling anyone a hypocrite. I was (and 90% in jest, at that!). I was pointing out that Clark might not be the best example, given his long history of lying for no good reason (and not about his identity).
And I know what you're saying about the ideal of truth (come on man, I'm not that dense). I'm saying I dont believe that Diana would chase *any* ideal with a secret identity because it (usually) serves no real purpose for her and goes against her characterization. And yeah, the whole theme of "truth" does come into play with Di, but that's a relatively minor consideration compared to Diana as a character, where (in my opinion) the effort of a secret ID just doesn't mesh and isn't worthwhile.
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I love the Diana Prince identity and aspect of her personality learning about and experiencing Patriarch's World amongst them. Just because she has a tool that compels truth doesn't make her the avatar of truth. (I never enjoyed the absolutism that Byrne ushered into people's minds with his concept of Diana becoming the goddess of truth.) Diana is far from perfect and the Diana Prince identity is one way to play that up while giving her a semblance of a non-Wonder life.
To me, she's probably independently wealthy (I'm guessing Themyscira was blessed with precious metals and gems) and a full time adventurer. Sometimes a lecturer at Holliday University or whichever museum Helena Sandsmark curates as Wonder Woman and other times a freelance agent with ARGUS tracking down artifacts and technology or beings for the Red and Black Rooms and the Circus, respectively. And maybe, there are other instances we haven't thought of yet that lend themselves to the finesse of Diana Prince alongside the force that is Wonder Woman. Regardless, I'm ready to suspend my disbelief around a secret identity as much as willing to about the power and panache of Wonder Woman.
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It just occurred to me that Marston might have got the idea for Diana to take the place of Diana Prince from THE PRINCE AND THE PAUPER by Mark Twain--and calling her Prince was a sly way of pointing to that idea.
Of course, there are lots of tales of the high and mighty pretending to be people of lower station so they may walk among the common folk and better understand their lot. Also with the theme of loving submission, Wonder Woman allows herself to be demeaned in the role of Diana Prince to demonstrate humility.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;4015160]The secret identity was an established trope in superheroes by the time Marston created Wonder Woman. Virtually every superhero starting from Superman himself had it. It wasn't an original concept within the WW mythos.[/QUOTE]
An 'established trope' after just 3 years? And a tiny handful of heroes? Nah. It's a trope now, [I]because[/I] of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman.
And I agree 100% with Bound4olympus. Diana Prince was half the story, half the character. It was shoertsighted to remove that aspect of the character. And to wait decades to replace it again.
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It was established with the Scarlet Pimpernel, Zorro, the Spider, the Green Hornet, Black Bat, Domino Lady, the Phantom (Detective), the Clock. The Shadow (depending on the source material) would borrow the Lamont Cranston identity from the real Lamont Cranston, while Lee Falk's Phantom is a series of men who inherit the name and costume.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;4021685]An 'established trope' after just 3 years? And a tiny handful of heroes? Nah. It's a trope now, [I]because[/I] of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman.[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that the secret identity part of superheroes is older than that, even if the genre didn't become fully formed until the late 30s. But earlier than that you had [URL="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtoSuperhero"]proto-superheroes[/URL] like [I]The Phantom[/I], [I]Zorro[/I], [I]The Shadow[/I], and even earlier [I]The Scarlet Pimpernel[/I].
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[QUOTE=Jim Kelly;4021753]It was established with the Scarlet Pimpernel, Zorro, the Spider, the Green Hornet, Black Bat, Domino Lady, the Phantom (Detective), the Clock. The Shadow (depending on the source material) would borrow the Lamont Cranston identity from the real Lamont Cranston, while Lee Falk's Phantom is a series of men who inherit the name and costume.[/QUOTE]
Those are not superheroes. The post I responded to says: The secret identity was an established trope in superheroes by the time Marston created Wonder Woman
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[QUOTE=kjn;4021761]I'd argue that the secret identity part of superheroes is older than that, even if the genre didn't become fully formed until the late 30s. But earlier than that you had [URL="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtoSuperhero"]proto-superheroes[/URL] like [I]The Phantom[/I], [I]Zorro[/I], [I]The Shadow[/I], and even earlier [I]The Scarlet Pimpernel[/I].[/QUOTE]
Sure, however, he post I responded to says specifically "The secret identity was an established trope [I]in superheroes[/I] by the time Marston created Wonder Woman." Whether it was a trope elsewhere wasn't the discussion.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;4021685]An 'established trope' after just 3 years? And a tiny handful of heroes? Nah. It's a trope now, [I]because[/I] of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman.
And I agree 100% with Bound4olympus. Diana Prince was half the story, half the character. It was shoertsighted to remove that aspect of the character. And to wait decades to replace it again.[/QUOTE]
Yes after three years given how common it was.
Diana Prince didn’t offer anything new as a concept and its no coincidence that she’s been part of multiple reviled stories since her return.
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;4021828]Sure, however, he post I responded to says specifically "The secret identity was an established trope [I]in superheroes[/I] by the time Marston created Wonder Woman." Whether it was a trope elsewhere wasn't the discussion.[/QUOTE]
Well just don't force me to call it a trope--that always sounds like casting shade on anything that uses such conventions, as if it's played out. I prefer to say it's a convention which has a neutral connotation.
The problem is there's no clear cut-off line, since people like Jerry Siegel and Bob Kane said about their creations that they were thinking of the Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro when they created their characters. And a lot of the early comics are directly borrowing from the pulps. You have Comic Magazine's the Clock (1936) and DC's Crimson Avenger (1938) both mystery men in the pulp tradition--are they super-heroes and where do you draw the line?
Wonder Woman didn't come along until late 1941. By that time, in 1938, 1939, 1940 and 1941, DC, All-American, Fawcett, Fox, Timely, Quality, MLJ, Standard, Ace, Prize, Lev Gleason, Centaur and Harvey had all published their own super-hero comic books--and the majority of those super-heroes had secret identities. It's no doubt that secret identities were part of the convention that they all followed. Wonder Woman was late to the party.
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If Diana were to just have it as a civilian id how would you want that to work? I mean if she does need to work with Argus as a regular human and not as wonder woman wouldn't it be wise at times to use Diana Prince?
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4028867]If Diana were to just have it as a civilian id how would you want that to work? I mean if she does need to work with Argus as a regular human and not as wonder woman wouldn't it be wise at times to use Diana Prince?[/QUOTE]
Why would she need Diana Prince for that?
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[QUOTE=RealWonderman;4021820]Those are not superheroes. The post I responded to says: The secret identity was an established trope in superheroes by the time Marston created Wonder Woman[/QUOTE]
Your argument is built on a slight technicality and you responded to something wrong to begin with imo,It was already troupe because the superhero genre wasn't really a thing.Superman and Batman didn't begin as a "Superhero" but as Pulp heroes. That statement "The secret identity was an established trope in [B]superheroes[/B] by the time Marston created Wonder Woman." might be wrong but implying a "superhero genre" was around then is just as wrong imo. Superman, Captain Marvel, etc birthed the genre but there was no genre which mean those characters then where functionally between pulp heroes and superheroes.
So you are right it wasn't establish troupe in superhero genre because there wasn't a superhero genre BUT you are wrong because first superheroes like Superman grew from pulp hero style concept to something more and more fantastic until he finally got publish in Action comics. Batman grew from being a pulp style Shadow like hero to something different. With the understanding that pulp and superhero is the same exact dna then statement "The secret identity was an established trope with pulp heroes and the early superheroes who morphed from pulp style heroes by the time Marston created Wonder Woman" is what of should been said.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;4029199]Why would she need Diana Prince for that?[/QUOTE]
IF she working undercover or a few others things that wonder woman can't be used.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;4029199]Why would she need Diana Prince for that?[/QUOTE]
What if she were put into a position where she needed to lay low for a while? How could she do that if she were WW all the time? Or what if she wanted to go out for a coffee without being bombarded by paparazzi?
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4029460]IF she working undercover or a few others things that wonder woman can't be used.[/QUOTE]Right but it needs to be a situation where she needs to pretend to be human.
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[QUOTE=marhawkman;4029537]Right but it needs to be a situation where she needs to pretend to be human.[/QUOTE]
She has to pretend just to get a coffee? Or ice cream? “Order up for a...Wonder Woman, Princess of the Amazons of Themyscira!”
Seriously??
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[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;4029525]What if she were put into a position where she needed to lay low for a while? How could she do that if she were WW all the time? Or what if she wanted to go out for a coffee without being bombarded by paparazzi?[/QUOTE]
The first option could be acceptable but that really isn’t what people are arguing for when they say bring back Diana Prince. As for the second option, that’s what super speed is for.
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[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;4029561]She has to pretend just to get a coffee? Or ice cream? “Order up for a...Wonder Woman, Princess of the Amazons of Themyscira!”
Seriously??[/QUOTE]
She doesn’t have to pretend. That’s been my argument every time this question comes up. Diana doesn’t have to lie about who she is for down time.
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Why can't she lie at times? I mean there are secerts she can't tell. Why can't she use a civilian id to blend in? Also she should because I don't know about you but she has to deal with million of fans and criticisms. She shouldm't always deal with that in her down time. So you want to always to deal with people who hate her and people who love her. Why can't she get some down time. People will always bother her if they knew who she is. She is simply Diana. Also Wonder Woman is just a title. So Diana would be better. She doesn't have to say much if She is using Diana Prince. That she isn't from this country. That she is from a uncharted country. There are places that are only women places. She can tell the truth but doesn't have to give much of it.
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One aspect of the secret id that I think is important and I will argue in favor of till the day I die is that she needs an understanding of regular people in order to protect them. And while I'm not a huge fan of it, personally, this would also help her career as a lecturer/teacher immensely. I mean, putting it in real world terms, it's like Caitlyn Jenner telling non-super rich trans people how to live their lives when Caitlyn's never once had to worry about such things as job interviews or filling out apartment applications. As mundane as these things are, they are essential to every day living and Jenner has not once ever had to concern herself with either of these things so the idea of her telling middle class trans people how to best live their lives is absolutely laughable. This is pretty much the same way I see a superhero princess on the lecture circuit. And while some may argue that there's no reason that she couldn't use multiple ids for that and not just Diana Prince, well, I would think she'd appreciate the consistency, quite frankly.
Or if they didn't want to insert the secret id, they can just get rid of the lecturer/teacher/diplomat aspect of the character altogether. I would not only be absolutely okay with this, I would be thrilled. :)
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I think - not. Plus - this can good for potential future animated series.
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[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036113]One aspect of the secret id that I think is important and I will argue in favor of till the day I die is that she needs an understanding of regular people in order to protect them. And while I'm not a huge fan of it, personally, this would also help her career as a lecturer/teacher immensely. I mean, putting it in real world terms, it's like Caitlyn Jenner telling non-super rich trans people how to live their lives when Caitlyn's never once had to worry about such things as job interviews or filling out apartment applications. As mundane as these things are, they are essential to every day living and Jenner has not once ever had to concern herself with either of these things so the idea of her telling middle class trans people how to best live their lives is absolutely laughable. This is pretty much the same way I see a superhero princess on the lecture circuit. And while some may argue that there's no reason that she couldn't use multiple ids for that and not just Diana Prince, well, I would think she'd appreciate the consistency, quite frankly.
Or if they didn't want to insert the secret id, they can just get rid of the lecturer/teacher/diplomat aspect of the character altogether. I would not only be absolutely okay with this, I would be thrilled. :)[/QUOTE]
Being a diplomat or teacher includes opening a dialogue with people and getting to know them. If anything, Diana has a better chance of communicating with and understanding people [I]without[/I] a secret identity. You don't need to literally live a person's life to understand them. You just need common empathy.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4031881]Why can't she lie at times? I mean there are secerts she can't tell. Why can't she use a civilian id to blend in? Also she should because I don't know about you but she has to deal with million of fans and criticisms. She shouldm't always deal with that in her down time. So you want to always to deal with people who hate her and people who love her. Why can't she get some down time. People will always bother her if they knew who she is. She is simply Diana. Also Wonder Woman is just a title. So Diana would be better. She doesn't have to say much if She is using Diana Prince. That she isn't from this country. That she is from a uncharted country. There are places that are only women places. She can tell the truth but doesn't have to give much of it.[/QUOTE]
Keeping secrets is one thing. Diana Prince, however, is a completely unnecessary concept that never made any sense and was only used because everyone else had a secret i.d. at the time. We have seen that Diana does not need a secret identity for down time with friends or to function in any way. This concept is being defended by being proposed as a solution to a problem that simply does not exists in the WW mythos.
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[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036113]One aspect of the secret id that I think is important and I will argue in favor of till the day I die is that she needs an understanding of regular people in order to protect them. And while I'm not a huge fan of it, personally, this would also help her career as a lecturer/teacher immensely.[/QUOTE]
You're arguing something similar to what was done in [I]Spirit of Truth[/I], where Diana goes to Clark Kent to ask for advice on connecting to and helping people.
But I think that view is based on a limited understanding of how Diana sees her role as envoy (or messenger) for the Amazons in Man's World, and of a narrow view of empathy. It can even be argued that living two separate lives does things to your view of other people that are just as bad as being a mega-rich celebrity, and it's probably no good for your mental health either (as Tom King pointed out in the most recent Heroes in Crisis with the Superman booth session). Every personal interaction, every person you meet, will be evaluated as a threat for exposing your dual identity. You will have two separate personas, and in the end will not be sure which one is the right one.
Sure, everyone projects different roles or personas in different contexts, but having two of them that are both complete in some way and are never to be connected seems like asking for trouble.
To get back to the messenger angle, I don't think Diana is here to educate individual people or tell them what to do: she is here to change society and be an inspiration to as many people as she can. She can do that best by being highly visible.
[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036113]Or if they didn't want to insert the secret id, they can just get rid of the lecturer/teacher/diplomat aspect of the character altogether. I would not only be absolutely okay with this, I would be thrilled. :)[/QUOTE]
To be frank, I think most writers have been terrible at handling Diana as a messenger to Man's World from Themyscira. But if there is one writer who can do that well, I think it's Wilson.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;4036250]Being a diplomat or teacher includes opening a dialogue with people and getting to know them. If anything, Diana has a better chance of communicating with and understanding people [I]without[/I] a secret identity. You don't need to literally live a person's life to understand them. You just need common empathy.[/QUOTE]
She can have all the empathy she wants (and I don't doubt that she has volumes), but delivery matters just as much as content. As a middle class working person who's lived in either the suburbs or city his entire life, I'm really not the least bit interested in taking life advice from a lifelong heiress from just this side of paradise, no matter well-intentioned she is (and I don't imagine most people would be).
Delivery matters.
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[QUOTE=kjn;4036281]You're arguing something similar to what was done in [I]Spirit of Truth[/I], where Diana goes to Clark Kent to ask for advice on connecting to and helping people.
But I think that view is based on a limited understanding of how Diana sees her role as envoy (or messenger) for the Amazons in Man's World, and of a narrow view of empathy. It can even be argued that living two separate lives does things to your view of other people that are just as bad as being a mega-rich celebrity, and it's probably no good for your mental health either (as Tom King pointed out in the most recent Heroes in Crisis with the Superman booth session). Every personal interaction, every person you meet, will be evaluated as a threat for exposing your dual identity. You will have two separate personas, and in the end will not be sure which one is the right one.
Sure, everyone projects different roles or personas in different contexts, but having two of them that are both complete in some way and are never to be connected seems like asking for trouble.[/QUOTE]
It also could lead to a myriad of storytelling possibilities to if you think about it. ;)
That said, I'm really not as big of an advocate for the secret id as I used to be. Both Brian Azzarello's excellent run and the movie illustrated perfectly why they're not necessarily a necessity. I just don't think it should necessarily dismissed so easily out of hand at the same time.
[QUOTE=kjn;4036281]To get back to the messenger angle, I don't think Diana is here to educate individual people or tell them what to do: she is here to change society and be an inspiration to as many people as she can. She can do that best by being highly visible.[/QUOTE]
Like I said previously, she can see herself any way she wants and I don't doubt that she has the best of intentions, but none of that matters if people aren't willing to listen to her. Delivery matters every bit as content. Just being visible doesn't necessarily make her accessible.
[QUOTE=kjn;4036281]To be frank, I think most writers have been terrible at handling Diana as a messenger to Man's World from Themyscira. But if there is one writer who can do that well, I think it's Wilson.[/QUOTE]
I did like Ms. Marvel, so I'd be willing to give it a shot. If past efforts are of any indication, however, I'm not terribly optimistic. For the most part I have no problem with her not having a secret id anymore just so long as she ditches the whole teacher/lecturer/ambassador angle. It's just never worked for me.
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Why can't she use it as a civilian id? I mean how does she get away from the paparazzi? Anytime she goes to her friends she most likely will deal with them. Diana isn't actually someone people won't notice. Nothing like a secret idea but something for proeprty. That she uses Diana Prince for certain things and Wonder Woman for something else. Her friends know she is. She isn't using it for jobs or anything but for things like hotel rooms or going away.
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[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036307]She can have all the empathy she wants (and I don't doubt that she has volumes), but delivery matters just as much as content. As a middle class working person who's lived in either the suburbs or city his entire life, I'm really not the least bit interested in taking life advice from a lifelong heiress from just this side of paradise, no matter well-intentioned she is (and I don't imagine most people would be).
Delivery matters.[/QUOTE]
Yeah delivery matters. I acknowledge that. But you seem to be under the impression that people have never been able to get behind someone who has a very different background from them before. This has been the case for multiple civil rights activists, politicians and philosophers. If people can look up to Superman both in universe and out, the same can be done with Diana. Again, this is her literal job. If she hits a communication barrier she tries to resolve it. And she doesn't need to lie to do it.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4037106]Why can't she use it as a civilian id? I mean how does she get away from the paparazzi? Anytime she goes to her friends she most likely will deal with them. Diana isn't actually someone people won't notice. Nothing like a secret idea but something for proeprty. That she uses Diana Prince for certain things and Wonder Woman for something else. Her friends know she is. She isn't using it for jobs or anything but for things like hotel rooms or going away.[/QUOTE]
Again, you are using the secret i.d to solve problems that do not exist or at least don't need to be solved by the secret i.d. How does she get away from paparazzi? She has super speed. And even real life celebrities don't get hounded by the paparazzi every minute of every day. Plus, I'd imagine these guys would lay off when they realize getting a shot of Diana eating a burger isn't worth getting eaten by a cyclops or turned into a mouse by Circe.
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[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036365]It also could lead to a myriad of storytelling possibilities to if you think about it. ;)[/QUOTE]
Correct, but [I]any[/I] character choice leads to both storytelling possibilities and that lots of storytelling possibilities are excluded. I don't view that as a problem in and of itself.
[QUOTE=phonogram12;4036365]Like I said previously, she can see herself any way she wants and I don't doubt that she has the best of intentions, but none of that matters if people aren't willing to listen to her. Delivery matters every bit as content. Just being visible doesn't necessarily make her accessible.[/QUOTE]
That's a problem for any person trying to change the world or influence others. But unlike Superman, who grew up on a small farm in Kansas that struggled with debts and crop failure and experienced the Dustbowl firsthand, Diana was raised by goddesses, among griffins, and pegasi on an utopic island, turning her into a ten-foot tall supermodel action superhero goddess, to borrow Detective Chimp's words from JLD #1.
Instead of trying to pretend that she is something she is not, I think she should inspire and show empathy while being what she is. And accept that she can't reach everyone everytime. In the end, I think that's the stronger message.
As for the teacher/embassador angle, there is a reason I choose the terms envoy or messenger, because they don't carry the same rigid connotations. Most writers have done a rather bad job when they've tried to show her explicitly as one, most recently in the case of Morrison in Earth One volume 2. But it is arguably her entire reason for being, both in and out of text. Marston wanted Diana to teach young boys what he thought women were capable of. Diana left Themyscira in order to improve the world around her.
Now that I think of it, the movie did a rather good job of showing Diana's teacher and empathy angle, and part of that is she both an example and learns from those around her.
ETA: fix last paragraph
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Again, you are using the secret i.d to solve problems that do not exist or at least don't need to be solved by the secret i.d. How does she get away from paparazzi? She has super speed. And even real life celebrities don't get hounded by the paparazzi every minute of every day. Plus, I'd imagine these guys would lay off when they realize getting a shot of Diana eating a burger isn't worth getting eaten by a cyclops or turned into a mouse by Circe.[/QUOTE]
Civilian Id is different from Secret id. Clark Kent is a secret id. Diana Prince would be a Civilian id. Meaning not hiding who she is. She simply using ever now and then Nothing that she would be hiding. Celebrities use different names all the time for things like hotels . That's all I mean. A name she uses.
Also wouldn't it be harder for her to make friends and actually get certain things?
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4038219]Civilian Id is different from Secret id. Clark Kent is a secret id. Diana Prince would be a Civilian id. Meaning not hiding who she is.[/QUOTE]
The way you’re describing it, that is exactly what it would be. No one would know who she was unless she let them and it’s to hide from certain people.
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Also wouldn't it be harder for her to make friends and actually get certain things?[/QUOTE]
She hasn’t had a secret identity (or civilian identity as you want to call it) in decades and has had no trouble making friends.
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Obviously there's nothing fundamentally stopping her from changing into normal clothes and walking around like a normal person as-is. But calling herself Diana Prince while doing so isn't quite the same as a secret identity. The other requires you to maintain the persona over time rather than simply wearing it like a mask every now and then.
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I also love the Diana Prince identity, just because it's fun and can drive a lot soap operatics.
Most people are going to treat Diana Prince very differently than Wonder Woman and it could be fun to see that difference.