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Grace Randolph speaks about the role Cyclops could play in a hypotetic X-Men movie franchise "Phase Two".[/QUOTE]
Completely agree, they need to show his darker side, IMO it would be better if they start with Scott as Sinister right hand until he betrays him to join the X-men
[QUOTE=Avenger88;17710]But on the other hand, I do believe that Cyke-Jean is really done for good. They won't be killing Logan anytime soon. When 616 Jean returns, Logan-Jean will be the new status quo. O5 Cyke got the hots for Laura, that will open a whole new triangle between him, Laura and Warren. And Adult Cyke may or may not be married to Emma in a possible alternate future.[/QUOTE]
Actually most writers are writing Logan as a Jott supporter, Bendis and Aaron mostly, to name two examples, in AvX Logan says how Jean was the only chance for happiness Scott had and in WatXM he asks Scott to be the man Jean loves again, Logan and Ororo is the new status quo (luckily because I really love them as a couple), they even have a really sweet moment in Wolverine #4 when he leaves the team and he ask her to take care of herself for both their sakes, and the triangle was always about Scott, it was Claremont mad about how they broke up Maddie and Scott, they were never something on their own, and they cannot maintain themselves as nothing else than attacking Scott, and right now that would be counterproductive for the story, right now Scott has lost everything, if Jean came back and left him he just wouldn't have any strength left to keep fighting and it would be completely ooc for him to not just give up and end it all
And he doesn't have the hots for Laura, is the other way around only, and of course they aren't going to start making au with him and Jean, they coming back would be a big thing, and that would make it feel normal instead of a great development
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[QUOTE=maxi_miceli;18106]And he doesn't have the hots for Laura, is the other way around only[/QUOTE]
Well, Jeen claimed he did and she was sorta getting her creep on around Tyke and Laura. Can't see why she'd bother stalking them if Tyke hadn't at the very least thought something like "Huh, she's cute and she's not Jeen."
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Lol yeah when they were at that Purifiers building, Tyke and Laura hugging, and Jeen creeping from a distance.
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[QUOTE=DakenGirl;10713]How good to see you back, anthony! I've missed your posts. Did you feel like you were wandering around a bombsite when you saw what they'd done to the old place?
Those cartoons are all really cute. I haven't seen any of them before. I love EmoClops. :)
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I was a momentarily confused that my password wasn't working and that direct links to some of my favourite threads were gone. LOL
Haven't been reading any comics for a while, (just the occasional issue) so have been avoiding the spoiler filled forum for when I eventually try to catchup.
[QUOTE=Nirikins;17830]Awwwwwwwww! LOVE this one![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AJpyro;17835]That is hilarious. I feel your pain, Scott. I hate 3D as well.[/QUOTE]
Think that 3D glasses one of my favourite funny Cyclops pics.
Although these are pretty good as well:-
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Poor Scott!
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[QUOTE=OpticDreams;18018]From some of the posts I've read on the forums. Some Emma fans are pissed because they feel Cyke overshadowed her, and she was nothing more than arm candy. Imo, the two had a good dynamic, but I guess one can say a lot of the stories revolved around Cyke more.[/QUOTE]
Her fans just put the blame on the wrong character since Scott was the VERY REASON Emma got a lot of focus on a lot of books pre AvX.
For the current run the focus has been more on Scott because of the direction of story they're telling. They couldn't have someone else taking his role (killing Xavier while being possessed, being the face of mutant terrorist/revolution etc.) with the same impact. Scott doesn't steal anyone's spotlight since nobody else could fill up his spot. Surely any logical minds could see that.
[QUOTE]As for Jean, I don't know why they would hate Cyke for being with her, if its the psychic affair I guess I'll give them that. I will always blame the phoenix for not liking the relationship. It overshadowed both characters.[/QUOTE]
That and the fact that he's still alive and she's still dead.
[QUOTE=FluffyCyclopsRLZ;18059]They're just pissed Scott got the last laugh, really. It's totally fine for [insert name of x-character] to troll/back-stab Scott, but One-Eye has the nerve to retaliate, oh noes, he's the scum of the Earth.
It's cute.[/QUOTE]
Some people just get used to the image of the passive Scott so they just wish his character development never happened.
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Think that 3D glasses one of my favourite funny Cyclops pics.
Although these are pretty good as well:-
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Poor Scott![/QUOTE]
These are so cute and funny. The ruby-quartz contacts is such a great idea. Someone please make a pair for him!:D
[QUOTE=maxi_miceli;18106]Completely agree, they need to show his darker side, IMO it would be better if they start with Scott as Sinister right hand until he betrays him to join the X-men[/QUOTE]
I absolutely love this idea. And this time I hope they recast him with someone taller.
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some eye implants like this guy. Except with Ruby Quartz.
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[QUOTE=Anis;18174]The ruby-quartz contacts is such a great idea. Someone please make a pair for him!:D
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Scott actually had a pair of ruby quartz contact lens in Grant Morrison's New X-Men #114.
You can sort of see him holding them in the 3rd panel of the second page. (sorry best image I could find)
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He kept them in case of emergencies. (I.E. Losing his visor/glasses)
Probably best if he kept them only for emergencies though.
I'd hate to be around if one of them fell out.
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No worries. It would seem Scott forgot he ever had them.
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[B]Anis-[/B]
My books arrived the other day.
I started reading the first volume, but stopped.
I hope your books make it there soon.
These books are going to be so easy to get through, in, like, an hour.
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[QUOTE=anthony_lynch15;18469]Scott actually had a pair of ruby quartz contact lens in Grant Morrison's New X-Men #114.
You can sort of see him holding them in the 3rd panel of the second page. (sorry best image I could find)
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He kept them in case of emergencies. (I.E. Losing his visor/glasses)
Probably best if he kept them only for emergencies though.
I'd hate to be around if one of them fell out.[/QUOTE]
He did?? Well, I don't think it's that hard to make them after all. The hard part is how to put them on without opening his eyes...
[QUOTE=Cold Water;18656][B]Anis-[/B]
My books arrived the other day.
I started reading the first volume, but stopped.
I hope your books make it there soon.
These books are going to be so easy to get through, in, like, an hour.[/QUOTE]
How come you get them so fast? Mine hasn't even been shipped yet. I ordered it with a few other books and they seem to wait to send them all at once. Amazon has been very slow in their international shipment lately.:eek: Thanks for letting me know. Did you enjoy what you've read so far?
[QUOTE=FluffyCyclopsRLZ;18644]No worries. It would seem Scott forgot he ever had them.[/QUOTE]
Might as well.. :D
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[QUOTE=anthony_lynch15;18141]I was a momentarily confused that my password wasn't working and that direct links to some of my favourite threads were gone. LOL
Haven't been reading any comics for a while, (just the occasional issue) so have been avoiding the spoiler filled forum for when I eventually try to catchup.
Think that 3D glasses one of my favourite funny Cyclops pics.
Although these are pretty good as well:-
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Poor Scott![/QUOTE]
Lol , poor cat
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[QUOTE=Avenger88;17514]Well here's the thing : She [B]DIDN'T[/B] Deapocalypse him ! At least not completely. Had she actually deapocalypsed him, things would have been a whole lot different hand he would never have been with Emma ! [/QUOTE]
Jean certainly wrenched Apocalypse out of poor Scott, though, at no small risk to herself, which no one else could have done. I think Morrison left it ambivalent as to whether there was any part of Apocalypse left in Scott or if Scott was just repulsed by an inner darkness within himself, particularly sexually, that possession by Apocalypse had revealed to him. Arguably his self-doubt and self-loathing being subtextually linked to sexual masochism wasn't as much of a theme around the character pre-Apocalypse possession - or I just missed it before then, which is equally likely.
It was also made clear that the process of being freed from Apocalypse, as well as Scott's possession by him, was a hideously traumatic experience, which had left him even more damaged than he was before. It's hard to know how much of his inability to communicate with Jean - or anyone - and his sexual hangups after was down to there genuinely being a part of Apocalypse still hanging around, Scott having major PTSD because of the possession and the traumatic act of separation, Scott having found out he wanted to do kinky things in bed he'd never thought about until Apocalypse opened those possibilities up to him (possibly because he'd never read a book that wasn't about tactics or piloting until that point so his sex ed was lacking), and, having been so uptight and prudish previous to that point, mistaking having kinky impulses for dark evil Apocalypse residue, or something else entirely which will be retconned in 2017.
I was never sure either if Scott was being passive aggressive with Jean by withholding sex, protecting her from his inner darkness, real or imagined, or just unable to take Jean down off the pedestal he had shoved the poor girl on when he first met her as an innocent teenager and reconnect with her as a sexual partner in anything other than vanilla sex. He's so riddled with fascinating complexes and so utterly rubbish at relationships that it's really hard to know with him.
Anyone who wasn't basically half-witted with women, even if they did have PTSD, would have worked out that Emma's therapy was a bit iffy long before Scott did, but the implication in a lot of the comics since does seem to be that he was able to have the sex with Emma that he couldn't have with Jean, even though Jean was perfectly happy to have that sex with him. Jean was ready and willing to still love a new version of Scott but Scott clearly thought the new version of him was not good enough for Jean, although possibly 'good enough' for a 'villain' like Emma.
The Scott/Emma thing, at least in its point of genesis, has that Buffy indulging her self-hatred with Spike, Wesley indulging his self-hatred with Lilah thing that could be a lot more to do with Scott's perception of himself as tarnished goods unfitted for use by Jean as it did with him still having any genuine residual Apocalypse darkness. The guy's such a psychological trainwreck that it's hard to know with him.
[QUOTE=Avenger88;17514]The remnants of Apocalypse inside him led to the whole shebang of him going all "dark" and them breaking up and resulting in what happened at the end of AvX.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he did go 'dark', strictly speaking. I think Scott was always a pragmatist and the world just became a far less black and white place to negotiate. It's possible that having a guy living in his head showing him centuries of conquest might have made him better able to let his inner tactician overwhelm his inner boy scout, but you have to have a certain ability to cut off emotionally to be able to direct vulnerable people into dangerous situations, and Scott had been doing that for years beforehand. I think he was a good man during peace time and then he became a good man during war time and he had to make a lot of the kind of decisions that you only do have to make when the metaphorical equivalent of the bombs are dropping. It's very difficult to state with any authority how much Scott changed, and how much their situation changed. No one else had ever had to direct operations when mutants were down to their last two hundred and being actively hunted to extinction.
[QUOTE=Avenger88;17514]If there is something that might have actually De-Apocalypsed him, it's the Phoenix Force in AvX. But the guy is still a shell of his former self and not the hero he used to be. [/QUOTE]
I think that's supposition, really. The 'not the hero he used to be' theme - is that based on his actions or his current position in society? Because it's difficult to discuss what Scott being a fugitive makes him without addressing one's viewpoint of the 616 universe as it stands. If you are living in a just and fair world then to actively oppose the architects of its maintenance [I]as[/I] a just and fair world makes you a criminal, and if you try to dismantle the just and fair pillars that hold up its edifice then you are a terrorist. If you are living in an unjust and oppressive society and you conform to its diktats and insist that others do also then you are, or are in danger of becoming, either one of the good men who by doing nothing is allowing evil to flourish or a direct oppressor.
If you are living in a shared universe where the world is [I]generally[/I] depicted as a fair and just one as a backdrop to the actions of one group of superheroes, and [I]generally [/I]depicted as unjust and oppressive as a backdrop to the actions of another group of superheroes, then you are pretty much screwed and very lucky if you don't end up a villain in one book (Uncanny Avengers) and a hero in another one (Uncanny X-Men), and something in between in another (Wolverine and the X-Men) while having no generally editorially unified theory of you.
So far in Uncanny X-Men Scott has risked his life to save mutants who were being oppressed, tried to control his optic blasts so that they don't injure others, and tried to train mutant students so that they can control their powers and not hurt themselves or others and can utilize those controlled powers to defend themselves and other vulnerable people, mutant and human, against the forces of what he sees as direct oppression. It's very difficult for me to see how that is different from what he was doing fifty years ago, or why performing the same actions now that he did then make [I]him[/I] different, when it is only the opinions of others about his actions that have changed.
I would, however, very much have liked the post AvX books to clarify if there was any lingering Apocalypse still hanging around and if the Phoenix burned off the sliver of the Void left in him, too.
In some ways Scott's possession by the Phoenix Force has given writers an opportunity to give him a completely new start. Some things are always going to be inherent with him, I imagine, but Bendis certainly seems to be writing him as a kinder, nicer Scott.
Teen Scott being around probably does require Adult Scott to maintain a recognizable baseline that he can diverge from if divergence from Adult Scott's experiences is in indeed what lies in his future - which, like other people have said, would be a nice way to explore the character. It wouldn't really work to have Teen Scott being less emotionally repressed and uncommunicative because of his space pirate hijinks with Corsair and Hepzibah at the same time as Adult Scott was breaking away from being an emotional wreck with really good self-control to conceal it because he'd been through the Phoenix rinse cycle and was consequently a whole new man.
[QUOTE=Avenger88;17514]And THAT is why not the 616 Jean, but the darker, more "complete" O5 Jean finds him attractive at this point in his life.[/QUOTE]
I think you're spot on that Teenage Jean, who has had her own inner darkness revealed to her a lot earlier than Adult Jean ever did, and is a very complex and powerful young woman who has been through one shattering trauma after another, is drawn to what she perceives to be an inner darkness in Adult Scott. Whether it's actually there or not is another question.
He's certainly got all the cool rebel trappings being the outcast revolutionary living in the old mutant torture laboratory who is hunted by the forces of oppression. And that is a very sexy costume. Even if he wasn't the grown up version of the guy she rather likes she'd probably be finding him attractive right now, but whether there is a dark calling to dark thing going on in her attraction to him or if she's just hoping his inner darkness is there and dark enough for her, or if Teen Jean is even as dark as she thinks she is, given how very decent, heroic, and compassionate dead Jean was, it's a little hard to tell as yet, I think.
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It does seems every thing is piling up on Cyke atm. JGS hates him, Shield's BS, the Cap and the Avengers, his brother being simply dumb, powers broken, and not to mention the brotherhood finding his school.
That space adventure would so him so right. Cuz I'm sure after he deals with the brotherhood, he'll have to deals with a pissed off Jeen, imo, about something.
I wonder with having to juggle so much if he will eventually snap, remember Bendis said that Chuck's will was going to alter a lot of stuff. Though, I'll give Cyke this he seems to be handling everything well. Really well I might add.
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[QUOTE=Avenger88;17571]You guys forgot to include one of the best Scott/Jean moments since they were married. The whole scene in the Theatre and outside, in the issue right after the Onslaught aftermath one where Alex attacked Scott and Storm in the plane.
That one showed how well they got along as a married couple.[/QUOTE]
You mean XM v2 #59? If so, I applaud your taste. That is a lovely Jean/Scott scene. I'll need two posts to put it up.
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