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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4113979]To be fair, X-Man multiplied by Legion is easily a step above Xavier/SK/Psylocke, but that too. Cassandra Nova seemed to employ some physical device to get her in Red. The Extermination one was the most egregious, but even there, those twins were using a novel technique that Jean couldn't understand at first.[/QUOTE]
I dont mind her being controlled it would have been nice to see her resist it at minimum before being turned but of course with this writing I know that's way too much to ask. and extermination was tragic mess too. warning kids attacking your teammates ???? just was so stupid.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4113979]To be fair, X-Man multiplied by Legion is easily a step above Xavier/SK/Psylocke, but that too. Cassandra Nova seemed to employ some physical device to get her in Red. The Extermination one was the most egregious, but even there, those twins were using a novel technique that Jean couldn't understand at first.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a X-Man + Legion mental take over would be hard to fight against. So, I'm cool with this.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4113963]my thing is why is she getting controlled so easily? this same character was able resist being mind controlled by shadow king, Xavier, psylocke some of the greatest telepath. I mean this is all just a hot mess.
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Hey at least she's not Rachel. Omega level telepath my ass.....
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I like it. I don’t see what the problem is.......
Storm getting taken over makes sense. She can’t handle Nate Grey the man took over Legion c’mon....
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[QUOTE=Havok83;4114003]Hey at least she's not Rachel. Omega level telepath my ass.....[/QUOTE]
poor Rachel. yea she didnt fair too well in terms of accurate portrayal of her abilities.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4114001]Yeah, a X-Man + Legion mental take over would be hard to fight against. So, I'm cool with this.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I’m fine with it.
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so when they are mind controlled like this are their abilities enhanced? it would be nice to see storm cut loose now that she is mind controlled but I dont see that happening either honestly other than more lightning. I mean do yall think we will get something like we did in nightcrawlers solo:
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now if I see her moping the floor with the xmen like this it would be worth it.
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I'm done with this story. Ready for the crossover to start.
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Bright Lady be merciful! Someone call me when these books start getting right. Are we really going to have to wait until after the first MCU Storm appearances?
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4114079]I'm done with this story. Ready for the crossover to start.[/QUOTE]
lol u not enjoying the adventures of lightning lass: the horseman chronicles?
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4114097]Bright Lady be merciful! Someone call me when these books start getting right. Are we really going to have to wait until after the first MCU Storm appearances?[/QUOTE]
I'm not encouraged things will change even then. but I guess time will tell
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Storm looks like a Black Version of Wonder Woman.
I like another cool version of Storm. Too bad she is mind controlled. But I’ll cross mah fingers for an interesting battle.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4114126]lol u not enjoying the adventures of lightning lass: the horseman chronicles?[/QUOTE]
I just think it dragging out a story that could have been told in 4 or 5 issues.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4114329]Storm looks like a Black Version of Wonder Woman.
I like another cool version of Storm. Too bad she is mind controlled. But I’ll cross mah fingers for an interesting battle.[/QUOTE]
I dont think its bad she is mind controlled if she is allowed to cut loose in ways she generally unable to do.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4114333]I just think it dragging out a story that could have been told in 4 or 5 issues.[/QUOTE]
you're absolutely correct. I'm honestly still not sure what the point of all of this is and with how powerful Nate is why the heck does he need horsemen? how did he even pick the initial 4 horsemen and how were they turned??? none of it makes sense.
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do you agree?
Marvel characters who defeat Aquaman in seconds:
[i]12. STORM (DEFEAT)
Remember when we mentioned Thor’s control over the weather? Well, when it comes to controlling the elements, Storm probably has him beat. This is her specialty. She can drop temperatures down to sub-freezing in nothing flat, for example. Could Aquaman swim through a nascent iceberg? Probably not. How many lightning bolts could he deal with?
Unless he suddenly grows wings, he’s not even going to get anywhere close to Storm’s expert flying abilities. All she has to do is churn the oceans around him, rage a few tornados at him, and he’ll be belly flopping his way to defeat in not time flat. It gets worse if they meet on land, of course. His best hope is to get his hands around her, but Ororo won’t let that happen.[/i]
[url]https://screenrant.com/aquaman-defeat-marvel-characters/[/url]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4114412]do you agree?
Marvel characters who defeat Aquaman in seconds:
[i]12. STORM (DEFEAT)
Remember when we mentioned Thor’s control over the weather? Well, when it comes to controlling the elements, Storm probably has him beat. This is her specialty. She can drop temperatures down to sub-freezing in nothing flat, for example. Could Aquaman swim through a nascent iceberg? Probably not. How many lightning bolts could he deal with?
Unless he suddenly grows wings, he’s not even going to get anywhere close to Storm’s expert flying abilities. All she has to do is churn the oceans around him, rage a few tornados at him, and he’ll be belly flopping his way to defeat in not time flat. It gets worse if they meet on land, of course. His best hope is to get his hands around her, but Ororo won’t let that happen.[/i]
[url]https://screenrant.com/aquaman-defeat-marvel-characters/[/url][/QUOTE]
I Agree.
Arthur Curry is by all intense and purpose Stornger, Faster and Agile than Storm. If they fight in close proximity like 10-15ft away all he has to do is Blitz her. Aquaman CAN beat Storm. But Storm will take MAJORITY of the wins because she has extremely better range abilities and can cover ground faster than he can.
If Arthur can get close to Storm all he needs to do is punch her in the face. Game Set and Match. But that won’t work if Storm bombards him with F6 Tornadoes and Hurricanes and 100ft tall Tsunamis. Good Luck with that. I LOVE Aquaman he is the underdog like Storm.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4114691]I Agree.
Arthur Curry is by all intense and purpose Stornger, Faster and Agile than Storm. If they fight in close proximity like 10-15ft away all he has to do is Blitz her. Aquaman CAN beat Storm. But Storm will take MAJORITY of the wins because she has extremely better range abilities and can cover ground faster than he can.
If Arthur can get close to Storm all he needs to do is punch her in the face. Game Set and Match. But that won’t work if Storm bombards him with F6 Tornadoes and Hurricanes and 100ft tall Tsunamis. Good Luck with that. I LOVE Aquaman he is the underdog like Storm.[/QUOTE]
thanks for your explanation. I really love how even though she has the strength of a regular woman her power set allows her to beat pretty powerful characters. 8s he able to blitz on land as well or just in ocean? how effective would his magic be?
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The only way Curry Aquaman is beating Storm is if the book is written by Bendis. smfh.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4115180]The only way Curry Aquaman is beating Storm is if the book is written by Bendis. smfh.[/QUOTE]
I choked omg
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4114788]thanks for your explanation. I really love how even though she has the strength of a regular woman her power set allows her to beat pretty powerful characters. 8s he able to blitz on land as well or just in ocean? how effective would his magic be?[/QUOTE]
N52 Aquaman has blitzed N52 Wonder Woman, but its hard because he was on Land AND Sea it was on the Docks of Gotham City. Aquaman has proven himself strong enough to fight and go toe to toe with the likes of Superman AND Wonder Woman and can hold his own. In regards to Magic IF Aquaman is holding the Trident of Poseidon then he is immune to magical attack for the Trident itself provides him the "Blessings of Poseidon" some shit like that. If he doesn't have Poseidon's Trident then Magic works on him.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4115180]The only way Curry Aquaman is beating Storm is if the book is written by Bendis. smfh.[/QUOTE]
Pretty Much this. Bendis will pull up some random shit like. "Aquaman is immune to the Weather" LOL
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4114691]I Agree.
Arthur Curry is by all intense and purpose Stornger, Faster and Agile than Storm. If they fight in close proximity like 10-15ft away all he has to do is Blitz her. Aquaman CAN beat Storm. But Storm will take MAJORITY of the wins because she has extremely better range abilities and can cover ground faster than he can.
If Arthur can get close to Storm all he needs to do is punch her in the face. Game Set and Match. But that won’t work if Storm bombards him with F6 Tornadoes and Hurricanes and 100ft tall Tsunamis. Good Luck with that. I LOVE Aquaman he is the underdog like Storm.[/QUOTE]
Or she can pull a Mera and suck all the water out from him
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[QUOTE=angrt1;4115529]Or she can pull a Mera and suck all the water out from him[/QUOTE]
I would like to see Storm display that type of power.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4115180]The only way Curry Aquaman is beating Storm is if the book is written by Bendis. smfh.[/QUOTE]
lolol ha! as bad as I thought bendis was I believe Guggenheim makes bendis writing read like Shakespeare.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4115235]N52 Aquaman has blitzed N52 Wonder Woman, but its hard because he was on Land AND Sea it was on the Docks of Gotham City. Aquaman has proven himself strong enough to fight and go toe to toe with the likes of Superman AND Wonder Woman and can hold his own. In regards to Magic IF Aquaman is holding the Trident of Poseidon then he is immune to magical attack for the Trident itself provides him the "Blessings of Poseidon" some shit like that. If he doesn't have Poseidon's Trident then Magic works on him.
Pretty Much this. Bendis will pull up some random shit like. "Aquaman is immune to the Weather" LOL[/QUOTE]
ok so it doesnt sound like his magic abilities will really help him in a fight against storm. I want to see her fight characters on superman power level and win.
[QUOTE=angrt1;4115529]Or she can pull a Mera and suck all the water out from him[/QUOTE] that would be pretty sweet.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4115651]
ok so it doesnt sound like his magic abilities will really help him in a fight against storm. I want to see her fight characters on superman power level and win.
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Pretty Much. IF we want Storm to fight people on Superman level she needs a boost in Durability
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4115666]Pretty Much. IF we want Storm to fight people on Superman level she needs a boost in Durability[/QUOTE]
I think even if she kept her current status she could still use her powers in a way to protect her from harm. create em shields or air pressure shields to ìblock punches. I mean we saw jeen fight gladiator and able to beat him based upon this idea.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4115681]I think even if she kept her current status she could still use her powers in a way to protect her from harm. create em shields or air pressure shields to ìblock punches. I mean we saw jeen fight gladiator and able to beat him based upon this idea.[/QUOTE]
That depends. Because most Heroes and Villians on Superman Level Can Blitz Storm before she even tries to pull up a Defense.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4115686]That depends. Because most Heroes and Villians on Superman Level Can Blitz Storm before she even tries to pull up a Defense.[/QUOTE]
well as you are aware we seen some writers demonstrate her battle speed as pretty fast. let's not forget her moving fast enough to block lightning that was about to strike malice down.
[img]https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111274343/6533933-screenshot_20180725-102137_comics.jpg[/img]
she has the speed feats and reaction time to be able to go against someone who can blitz.
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Ororo and Carol are friends:
[i]14. Storm
Captain Marvel became close friends with the X-Men and while not a team member, she worked with them as an ally. This all started after Rogue stole all her powers and memories and left her defeated. Professor X helped her regain most of her memories and she had new allies in her life at a time when she needed them the most.
It was a love-hate relationship as she was there to fight them later when trying to stop the Phoenix Force and again when the Avengers and X-Men battled. However, she always remained close with Storm. During Civil War II, Storm was on Carol's side against Iron Man, even when her ex-husband, the Black Panther, walked away knowing what they were doing was wrong.[/i]
[url]https://screenrant.com/captain-marvel-heroes-close-to-trivia/[/url]
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4115666]Pretty Much. IF we want Storm to fight people on Superman level she needs a boost in Durability[/QUOTE]
I would love for Marvel to push Storm's durability and strength to 80's She-Hulk's level.
Storm's haters would probably die...lol
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4115694]well as you are aware we seen some writers demonstrate her battle speed as pretty fast. let's not forget her moving fast enough to block lightning that was about to strike malice down.
she has the speed feats and reaction time to be able to go against someone who can blitz.[/QUOTE]
Just because she was fast enough to Block Lightning doesn't make her fast enough to Block People who can fly faster than Lightning and Blitz her before she could think. She is still at a disadvantage against Superman level threats.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4115793]I would love for Marvel to push Storm's durability and strength to 80's She-Hulk's level.
Storm's haters would probably die...lol[/QUOTE]
Yup. She would now be a problem for more heavy Hitters.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4115793]I would love for Marvel to push Storm's durability and strength to 80's She-Hulk's level.
Storm's haters would probably die...lol[/QUOTE]
omg lolol though this would be hilarious I dont think they would go any crazier than they did when it was announced she was a real goddess lol.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4115811]Just because she was fast enough to Block Lightning doesn't make her fast enough to Block People who can fly faster than Lightning and Blitz her before she could think. She is still at a disadvantage against Superman level threats.
Yup. She would now be a problem for more heavy Hitters.[/QUOTE]
storm has moved fast enough to avoid a cave in by breaking the sound barrier. my point is that if a writer wanted to show her moving at such speeds capable of rivaling superman level threats there are speed feats she has to suggest she could move just as fast or at least react fast enough to project a shield to prevent being hurt by their assault. she wouldnt need to change anything about her durability if this approach was taken.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4115951]
storm has moved fast enough to avoid a cave in by breaking the sound barrier. my point is that if a writer wanted to show her moving at such speeds capable of rivaling superman level threats there are speed feats she has to suggest she could move just as fast or at least react fast enough to project a shield to prevent being hurt by their assault. she wouldnt need to change anything about her durability if this approach was taken.[/QUOTE]
Um Kyss I don't think your grasping the Major disadvantagte she has against Superman level threats.
Let me name them:
Superman
WonderWoman
Nova
Silver Surfer
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry
Cyborg Superman
Eradicator
Martian Manhunter
Shazam
Black Adam
Super-Girl
Power Girl
Quasar
Anti-Man
I can keep going.........
These people would blitz Storm before she gets a chance do anything. Storm has DECENT reaction speed and Flight speed, but none of her feats amounts to any of these people I have listed that are on Superman's level that would eat Storm alive on their worst day. To be honest I wouldn't even argue that Storm has a chance due to the fact Storm actually has equal inconsistent feats as she does consistent feats. If a writer sets Storm up in fighting these people there needs to be a form of equal footing without PIS against these Superman levels because truth be told any of these people if they were serious would Blitz her before she thought about dropping a Tornado.
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Storm can not out fly any of these people(Maybe Wonder Woman and Super Girl and Power Girl...maybe) and her Reaction speed is not on par with any of these people. Many of them can react at Light Speed(Depending on Version of their character).
In order for Storm to be able to face Superman level threats she NEEDS a boost in durability maybe even reaction and flight.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4116007]Um Kyss I don't think your grasping the Major disadvantagte she has against Superman level threats.
Let me name them:
Superman
WonderWoman
Nova
Silver Surfer
Hyperion
Blue Marvel
Sentry
Cyborg Superman
Eradicator
Martian Manhunter
Shazam
Black Adam
Super-Girl
Power Girl
Quasar
Anti-Man
I can keep going.........
These people would blitz Storm before she gets a chance do anything. Storm has DECENT reaction speed and Flight speed, but none of her feats amounts to any of these people I have listed that are on Superman's level that would eat Storm alive on their worst day. To be honest I wouldn't even argue that Storm has a chance due to the fact Storm actually has equal inconsistent feats as she does consistent feats. If a writer sets Storm up in fighting these people there needs to be a form of equal footing without PIS against these Superman levels because truth be told any of these people if they were serious would Blitz her before she thought about dropping a Tornado.[/QUOTE]
her powers have always been described as operating at speeds before her opponents can react. always. if she is faced with a speedster and she has the ability to use shields or even create a skin tight barrier that acts as a shield before they can blitz her I dont think durability would be an issue. this type of defense is what allows magneto for instance to go up against similar characters that you listed. so if these things work for them why not ororo?.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4116019]Storm can not out fly any of these people(Maybe Wonder Woman and Super Girl and Power Girl...maybe) and her Reaction speed is not on par with any of these people. Many of them can react at Light Speed(Depending on Version of their character).
In order for Storm to be able to face Superman level threats she NEEDS a boost in durability maybe even reaction and flight.[/QUOTE]
again what I'm saying is not about her needing to fly faster. it is about her being able to use her powers before her assailant can react. add to this her reaction speed and blitz feats of her own and one could argue that she wouldnt necessarily need a bump in durability. do you think magneto could fight some of those characters you listed? if so storm should be able to as well.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4116148]her powers have always been described as operating at speeds before her opponents can react. always. if she is faced with a speedster and she has the ability to use shields or even create a skin tight barrier that acts as a shield before they can blitz her I dont think durability would be an issue. this type of defense is what allows magneto for instance to go up against similar characters that you listed. so if these things work for them why not ororo?.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make her Light Speed Kyss. Most of those people could punch her at the speed of light. Storms powers do not operate at such speeds. Storm doesn't do well with Speedsters. The last time she fought a speedster she was blitzed. People like Flash, Zoom, Quicksilver, etc would Blitz her at Light Speed IF they felt like. The only way Storm can combat a speedster is if they are holding back. Classic Flash Vs Weather Wizard Flash holds back every time they fight knowing fully well he could blitz weather wizard at the speed of light. Storm has no chance. Her durability is a BIG issue. Magneto was blitz by his own son at Mach 5. Magneto has been blitz by Rogue once before.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4116150]again what I'm saying is not about her needing to fly faster. it is about her being able to use her powers before her assailant can react. add to this her reaction speed and blitz feats of her own and one could argue that she wouldnt necessarily need a bump in durability. do you think magneto could fight some of those characters you listed? if so storm should be able to as well.[/QUOTE]
Again Storms powers have never been fast enough to activate faster than the speed of light......these people listed can move, react, fight, fly at the speed of light. They would punch her before storm stops them with a lightning bolt or gust of wind. Hell they would probably fly behind her before she shoots a gust of wind at them. It is very nessesary that she needs a boost in stats to combat a guy like superman and people of his caliber.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4116182]That doesn't make her Light Speed Kyss. Most of those people could punch her at the speed of light. Storms powers do not operate at such speeds. Storm doesn't do well with Speedsters. The last time she fought a speedster she was blitzed. People like Flash, Zoom, Quicksilver, etc would Blitz her at Light Speed IF they felt like. The only way Storm can combat a speedster is if they are holding back. Classic Flash Vs Weather Wizard Flash holds back every time they fight knowing fully well he could blitz weather wizard at the speed of light. Storm has no chance. Her durability is a BIG issue. Magneto was blitz by his own son at Mach 5. Magneto has been blitz by Rogue once before.
Again Storms powers have never been fast enough to activate faster than the speed of light......these people listed can move, react, fight, fly at the speed of light. They would punch her before storm stops them with a lightning bolt or gust of wind. Hell they would probably fly behind her before she shoots a gust of wind at them. It is very nessesary that she needs a boost in stats to combat a guy like superman and people of his caliber.[/QUOTE]
no you're absolutely correct storm isnt light speed. I'm saying if her powers operate so fast before those characters can react then she would stand a chance without a change of her durability, if even a small one. it seems aside from durability her speed stats would also need to be enhanced as well. so if you are saying a character like magneto wouldnt be able to stand a chance against superman then I dont disagree with your points.
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so we may get an xmen movie in the works as soon as the first 6 months of 2019. how are you guys hoping to see ororo introduced? for me if marvel get the writes as soon as projected im hoping storm is introduced in black panther #2 in a small but meaningful cameo. I would love for their to be some sort of weather disturbance affecting areas near wakanda originitaing from kenya. tchalla thinking that it is the avenger thor goes to investigate only to find a ebony weather goddess as the culprit behind the storm.
ahhh I'm so excited we finally will hopefully get a badass storm.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4115694]well as you are aware we seen some writers demonstrate her battle speed as pretty fast. let's not forget her moving fast enough to block lightning that was about to strike malice down.
[img]https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111274343/6533933-screenshot_20180725-102137_comics.jpg[/img]
she has the speed feats and reaction time to be able to go against someone who can blitz.[/QUOTE]
Offtopic asf but Malice looks like that crackhead from the show The PJ's. lol
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[QUOTE=Jalysia;4116260]Offtopic asf but Malice looks like that crackhead from the show The PJ's. lol[/QUOTE]
lmfao oh no... that's horrible.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqSyYHfCIAAEzaD.jpg[/img]
unfortunately miss malice was dying which resulted in that less than attractive look.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4116196]no you're absolutely correct storm isnt light speed. I'm saying if her powers operate so fast before those characters can react then she would stand a chance without a change of her durability, if even a small one. it seems aside from durability her speed stats would also need to be enhanced as well. so if you are saying a character like magneto wouldnt be able to stand a chance against superman then I dont disagree with your points.[/QUOTE]
That's the problem. They can react faster than Storm powers can activate. Storm's best way to counter such attack is her actively reading peoples nervous system BEFORE they react.
If Storm does this in battle then i'd be inclinded to agree with what your saying. But since we have never seen Storm actually read peoples Nervous system during battle. She needs a Boost in stats.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4116243]so we may get an xmen movie in the works as soon as the first 6 months of 2019. how are you guys hoping to see ororo introduced? for me if marvel get the writes as soon as projected im hoping storm is introduced in black panther #2 in a small but meaningful cameo. I would love for their to be some sort of weather disturbance affecting areas near wakanda originitaing from kenya. tchalla thinking that it is the avenger thor goes to investigate only to find a ebony weather goddess as the culprit behind the storm.
ahhh I'm so excited we finally will hopefully get a badass storm.[/QUOTE]
How do we know this is for sure they will start within 6 months??? Putting her in Black Panther would be a VERY smart Idea.