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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4166532]That was my impression too. But then, the most Damian-centered book I've read is Super Sons, and not the whole book (yet), and some of the Tomasi Batman run. That's why I was asking.
I read the last TT issue and honestly, I didn't feel like he considered Jason more than an ally and another adult that has betrayed him. But then again, I don't know the character that well.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same as you. From my point of view Damian see Jason, Tim and Barbara as simply competent allies that he respect but he isn't particurlary close too. None of his montly handlers has make an attemp to change that.
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[QUOTE=TheCape;4166523]Outside of Dick and Steph (Pre-Flashpoint only), Damian isn't very close to any of the Robins or the rest of the batfamily. I always thought that his relationship with Jason in the current TT was mostly proffesional because of Jason knowledge of the criminal underworld[/QUOTE]
Haven't read it myself, but Damian and Jason did work together during Batman Inc. With Jason disguised as Wingman. The two worked fairly well together during the time.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4166506]Where? As far as I've read, he never has stated this. Not for those two. I'm curious.
I mean it. I've read Damian partially, mostly when he shows up in other books, or pre-FP (and post in the main batbooks; but not his books).[/QUOTE]
it not stated out loud that he thinks their brothers or even said, in robin war jason was thinking tim help dick set them up while Tim protesting damian joins in to tell jason he's red hood and he's robin they'll never turn on their own. following tim death in other books he was in you could tell damian was missing him heck the only way he found out he could be Slade's was because he was going through tim stuff looking for keepsakes. damian never going to say out loud he thinks jason or tim are his brothers but theirs a reason why damian is having such a hard time believing jason would turn on him.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4166614]Haven't read it myself, but Damian and Jason did work together during Batman Inc. With Jason disguised as Wingman. The two worked fairly well together during the time.[/QUOTE]
Working together doesn't equal a friendship, again, they are allies and they respect eacth other as figthers/ninja/warriors/vigilantes. That doesn't mean that they are close.
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[QUOTE=redmax99;4166630]it not stated out loud that he thinks their brothers or even said, in robin war jason was thinking tim help dick set them up while Tim protesting damian joins in to tell jason he's red hood and he's robin they'll never turn on their own. following tim death in other books he was in you could tell damian was missing him heck the only way he found out he could be Slade's was because he was going through tim stuff looking for keepsakes. damian never going to say out loud he thinks jason or tim are his brothers but theirs a reason why damian is having such a hard time believing jason would turn on him.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't seem to me like he's having a hard time believing the betrayal, though. He doesn't want to, but he believes it was Jason. It kind of was Alfred's point in the last issue.
And I get that he would not admit that out loud, but for his inner boxes, to me, it's hard to believe that he would not state it. But, eh, it's Damian, so...
On the other hand, appreciating or missing someone doesn't mean thinking of them as family. He does appreciate Tim, you can see that in the arc with future Tim more recently: he thinks highly of Tim. But I don't see him thinking about him as a brother. Like with Jason, I think it's more that he sees them as allies, competent allies, relatively trustworthy allies, than friends or family.
Which is why I was asking where he did consider them as his brothers. Because that's the most clear you can go for. With Jason, who is also a bit tsundere towards the family, at least you can see that sometimes, he slips his tongue in and out loud and almost calls or plain calls Dick his brother. He was pretty clear about Tim in the New 52 run, too. But with Damian admitting that, it all relies in how the reader understands the scene and tone. You can even see him straight implying that the only real family in the batcave was him in Detective Comics, in the meeting they had for Batwoman (but then, there it wasn't his current main writers, so it's open to discussion how in character that is).
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For better or for worse, I imagine how Jason & Damian see each other will be made much clearer on Wednesday.
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[QUOTE=Arsenal;4166658]For better or for worse, I imagine how Jason & Damian see each other will be made much clearer on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
Yep, most probably. I'm honestly curious. I feel like this could be a bit of an agreement between writers, and probably something editorial supports.
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Since Glass already referenced the family portrait, I wonder if he'll mention the Jason/Damian fight in Tec' as well.
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[QUOTE=G-Potion;4166716]Since Glass already referenced the family portrait, I wonder if he'll mention the Jason/Damian fight in Tec' as well.[/QUOTE]
I feel like that’s all but guaranteed to come up, especially after what Alfred told Damian that Jason.
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Honestly after seeing the preview, I couldn't stop thinking about that one CollegeHumor comic strip that someone painted over with Jason and Damian. XD
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rzfvVx8.jpg[/img]
[SIZE=1]I've taken the liberty of censoring the curse, just in case that goes against policy here.[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=Arsenal;4166658]For better or for worse, I imagine how Jason & Damian see each other will be made much clearer on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
I hope it's at least somewhat for the better or at least to a point where bridges aren't completely burned. I like Jason interacting with other members of the bat family that isn't Bats himself.
[QUOTE=RedBird;4166916]Honestly after seeing the preview, I couldn't stop thinking about that one CollegeHumor comic strip that someone painted over with Jason and Damian. XD
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rzfvVx8.jpg[/img]
[SIZE=1]I've taken the liberty of censoring the curse, just in case that goes against policy here.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
This got a good laugh outta me. xD
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4166916]Honestly after seeing the preview, I couldn't stop thinking about that one CollegeHumor comic strip that someone painted over with Jason and Damian. XD
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rzfvVx8.jpg[/img]
[SIZE=1]I've taken the liberty of censoring the curse, just in case that goes against policy here.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I can see why.
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Besides Damian being ... Damian, one should also consider that
- he still could be somehow influenced by Djinn's magic from TT #21.
- he already feels betrayed by/lost his faith in the whole Justice league and Co. At this point he's probably more prone to think the worst of other people.
- his whole team nearly died in that explosion in TT #23/#24.
- he showed some remorse at the end of TT #25.
- Red Arrow is the team mate Damian trusts the most, and she supported the accusation that Jason betrayed them. In fact, she was ice cold about that matter and didn't like Jason's involvement from the start.
But what I take offense at is Damian believing that Jason could ever participate in killing [U]kids[/U]. Further, by killing them in an [U]explosion[/U] - with the possibility that they could be [U]buried alive[/U].
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4167227]Besides Damian being ... Damian, one should also consider that
- he still could be somehow influenced by Djinn's magic from TT #21.
- he already feels betrayed by/lost his faith in the whole Justice league and Co. At this point he's probably more prone to think the worst of other people.
- his whole team nearly died in that explosion in TT #23/#24.
- he showed some remorse at the end of TT #25.
- Red Arrow is the team mate Damian trusts the most, and she supported the accusation that Jason betrayed them. In fact, she was ice cold about that matter and didn't like Jason's involvement from the start.
But what I take offense at is Damian believing that Jason could ever participate in killing [U]kids[/U]. Further, by killing them in an [U]explosion[/U] - with the possibility that they could be [U]buried alive[/U].[/QUOTE]
Maybe the writer wasn't aware of what such accusation implies.
The thing about Djinn... didn't the solicit for next month issue of TT pointed towards some shocking revelation? I remember reading somthing like that, and it could be that it's playing a role in Damian's behaviour. I dunno, it could be that, @Sergard.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4167300]Maybe the writer wasn't aware of what such accusation implies.
The thing about Djinn... didn't the solicit for next month issue of TT pointed towards some shocking revelation? I remember reading something like that, and it could be that it's playing a role in Damian's behaviour. I dunno, it could be that, @Sergard.[/QUOTE]
That's the solicitation text for TT #27:
[Quote]Every Teen Titan has a secret—and they all come spilling out here! As Djinn helps Robin recover from his injuries after a brutal showdown with Red Hood, she tells him all about her dark past, revealing some unsettling truths about herself. Meanwhile, Red Arrow helps Crush find a new sense of purpose, and Roundhouse reveals the tragic story of how he got his powers![/Quote]
Source: [URL="https://www.dccomics.com/comics/teen-titans-2016/teen-titans-27"]DC[/URL]
So yes, maybe Djinn's powers influenced Damian's behaviour. I just hope that Djinn isn't evil. I like her character a lot.
But I'm surprised that Damian has "injuries". Looking at the preview for the annual it feels more like Damian will only have some scrapes at the end.
I had such a nice theory about the dart wound but that theory was quickly refuted.
In Detective Comics #968 Future Tim states that Jason has some untreated injury in his hip joint that was caused before his resurrection. And I call that a big BS because the Lazarus pit would have healed that damage. So back then, my theory was that Future Jason had lied to Tim about that injury and that in truth it had been caused much later.
And now we have Damian stabbing Jason with a dart in the hip. But sadly it's the wrong side.
