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Would love to see more things like this in general.
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How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4616170]How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18[/QUOTE]
10-12 I want to say?
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4616172]10-12 I want to say?[/QUOTE]
and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?
What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?
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I believe so, though the level of abuse varies.
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As an addition, I like the idea that Willis regrets a lot of things he's done later in life and acted as Jason's secret supporter or protector in an attempt to make amends as long as the narrative makes it clear that this doesn't excuse him. How did that story go? Interrupted by Year of The Villains?
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4616215]As an addition, I like the idea that Willis regrets a lot of things he's done later in life and acted as Jason's secret supporter or protector in an attempt to make amends as long as the narrative makes it clear that this doesn't excuse him. How did that story go? Interrupted by Year of The Villains?[/QUOTE]
More like Lobdell planting a seed he plans to revist sometime down the road. Whether or not he gets to do it though is TBD.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4616184]and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?
What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?[/QUOTE]
Not really. The abusive thing is something Lobdell come up with which I'm personally never been fan of (honestly, Jason's origin in n52 was really terrible).
Willis in post-crisis was apparently a medical student (which probably where he met Sheila) before he dropped his studies and become a low life criminal. He worked for Two face before he got betrayed by him and Jason thought that he abonden them until he find out that he was dead.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4616184]and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?
What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?[/QUOTE]
I think that the 12yo bit for post-Crisis came from a letter to one of the writers.
I think the abusive part wasn't a thing until Lobdell's first run? Same as the drugs and Catherine. But maybe that part was mentioned before, in some batman comic.
To be honest, I think that pre-Crisis Jason was a bit older than post-Crisis. Maybe more childlike, but a year or so older. It's a feel he gives me.
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Is Rocafort back on the title? Or is Messina the new ongoing artist?
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[QUOTE=Shadowcat;4616567]Is Rocafort back on the title? Or is Messina the new ongoing artist?[/QUOTE]
Rocafort is for 3 issues, I think.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4615832]Look what I have found on instagram ([URL="https://www.instagram.com/p/B3WoROsJH3b/"]source[/URL]):
According to Lobdell, Artemis is getting her hair back and Bizarro's beard stays.
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How can it be sooner than I expect when it is already later than I want? God I can't fucking wait to see dark trinity reunite and share what they have been up to.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4616170]How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18[/QUOTE]
Pre Crisis he was 12 in his first appearence (it is iirc one the first page he appears on).
And by time Dick passed the mantle of Robin on to Jason he was allready 19.
Jason being 15 when he died, is never mentioned in the comics, and imo doesn't really work with the timeline. Since he was proably with Bruce for only 2 years.
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[QUOTE=Aahz;4616795]Pre Crisis he was 12 in his first appearence (it is iirc one the first page he appears on).
And by time Dick passed the mantle of Robin on to Jason he was allready 19.
Jason being 15 when he died, is never mentioned in the comics, and imo doesn't really work with the timeline. Since he was proably with Bruce for only 2 years.[/QUOTE]
It could work, if his 13th birthday happened shortly after coming into Bruce’s care.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4616588]Rocafort is for 3 issues, I think.[/QUOTE]
So Messina is the new ongoing artist? Nice. I haven’t seen anything else from him, besides a few images here and there, but I’ve liked them so far.
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[QUOTE=Shadowcat;4616903]It could work, if his 13th birthday happened shortly after coming into Bruce’s care.[/QUOTE]Yeah but there is at least one comic that indicates that he was still only 12 when was Robin.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4616172]10-12 I want to say?[/QUOTE]
I thought so too.
Does anyone remember his age pre crisis?
Cause speaking of Jasons age, I found this post on tumblr a while back from another confused reader which was interesting. It seemed to be implying that Bruce found post crisis Jason when he was 9 years old, which was either, later corrected to 12 OR that there was a time skip between Jason being found and becoming Robin, OR a time skip between Jason training as Robin and later arcs in his story, which doesn't seem to out of the question since this came right after the crisis event and I'm assuming DC wanted to get the backstory done and over with to get back to Batman and Robin tales.
[URL="https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long"]https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long[/URL]
Ima have to go back to read my copies to confirm this, cause it just brought a whole nother wave of confusion to me.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4616337]I think that the 12yo bit for post-Crisis came from a letter to one of the writers.
I think the abusive part wasn't a thing until Lobdell's first run? Same as the drugs and Catherine. But maybe that part was mentioned before, in some batman comic.
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The drugs were part of post crisis for Catherine. Jason becomes defensive about her death and implies she just 'got sick' but Bruce finds out she was a drug addict that had an overdose.
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The Age 9 comes afaik from some Batman Encyclopaedia, and I think the writer made a mistake.
No Idea about the letter columns, I usually don't read them.
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4616973]I thought so too.
Does anyone remember his age pre crisis?
Cause speaking of Jasons age, I found this post on tumblr a while back from another confused reader which was interesting. It seemed to be implying that Bruce found post crisis Jason when he was 9 years old, which was either, later corrected to 12 OR that there was a time skip between Jason being found and becoming Robin, OR a time skip between Jason training as Robin and later arcs in his story, which doesn't seem to out of the question since this came right after the crisis event and I'm assuming DC wanted to get the backstory done and over with to get back to Batman and Robin tales.
[URL="https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long"]https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long[/URL]
Ima have to go back to read my copies to confirm this, cause it just brought a whole nother wave of confusion to me.
The drugs were part of post crisis for Catherine. Jason becomes defensive about her death and implies she just 'got sick' but Bruce finds out she was a drug addict that had an overdose.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I didn't remember that. It makes sense, I guess, for the 80s, but it didn't stuck in my memory pass the sick part.
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[QUOTE=Aahz;4616795]Pre Crisis he was 12 in his first appearence (it is iirc one the first page he appears on).
And by time Dick passed the mantle of Robin on to Jason he was allready 19.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4616337]I think that the 12yo bit for post-Crisis came from a letter to one of the writers.
I think the abusive part wasn't a thing until Lobdell's first run? Same as the drugs and Catherine. But maybe that part was mentioned before, in some batman comic.
To be honest, I think that pre-Crisis Jason was a bit older than post-Crisis. Maybe more childlike, but a year or so older. It's a feel he gives me.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4616973]I thought so too.
Does anyone remember his age pre crisis?
Cause speaking of Jasons age, I found this post on tumblr a while back from another confused reader which was interesting. It seemed to be implying that Bruce found post crisis Jason when he was 9 years old, which was either, later corrected to 12 OR that there was a time skip between Jason being found and becoming Robin, OR a time skip between Jason training as Robin and later arcs in his story, which doesn't seem to out of the question since this came right after the crisis event and I'm assuming DC wanted to get the backstory done and over with to get back to Batman and Robin tales.
[URL="https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long"]https://jasontod.tumblr.com/post/187909378211/jasontod-okay-this-is-really-important-how-long[/URL]
Ima have to go back to read my copies to confirm this, cause it just brought a whole nother wave of confusion to me.
The drugs were part of post crisis for Catherine. Jason becomes defensive about her death and implies she just 'got sick' but Bruce finds out she was a drug addict that had an overdose.[/QUOTE]
Yes. That's what I remember. I think it was when Batman followed Jason into his apartment. I also remember Bruce looking up his parents on a... something... not internet maybe.
I just don't remember if she already died or not.
In New 52 she already died of an overdose before Jason met Batman, and then turned out it's a drug that's supposed to mimic death administered by Joker for the stupid part of his back story...
Man that link would've been easier to read if I remember which issue contains what
[QUOTE=Aahz;4616990]The Age 9 comes afaik from some Batman Encyclopaedia, and I think the writer made a mistake.
No Idea about the letter columns, I usually don't read them.
Jason being 15 when he died, is never mentioned in the comics, and imo doesn't really work with the timeline. Since he was proably with Bruce for only 2 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shadowcat;4616903]It could work, if his 13th birthday happened shortly after coming into Bruce’s care.[/QUOTE]
Copied for reference
Both Jason kinda looks too old to be 9 so I'm gonna say Pre Crisis is 12 and for Post Crisis follow that link that says he's a 5th grade drop out meaning he's at 10-11, spent 6 month to a year training so he's 12 when he started at Robin, spent 3 years as Robin and died at 15 according his death certificate.
Rebirth continues from New 52 and makes him about 16. Even though he's drawn looking 12 in his New 52 zero issue origin. He's drawn more like 16 in the New 52 Secret Origin.
What's the name of his parents Pre Crisis? I'll look it up, but maybe someone remembers faster and can post it.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4617096]Both Jason kinda looks too old to be 9 so I'm gonna say they're both 12.[/QUOTE]In his first appearance he was at least in some panels really tiny and looked imo more like 9 year old than like a 12 year old.
For example here:
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4617096]
Yes. That's what I remember. I think it was when Batman followed Jason into his apartment. I also remember Bruce looking up his parents on a... something... not internet maybe.
I just don't remember if she already died or not.
In New 52 she already died of an overdose before Jason met Batman, and then turned out it's a drug that's supposed to mimic death administered by Joker for the stupid part of his back story...
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Yeah she was already dead in the post crisis origin, at least within 6 months of when Bruce found Jason.
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Issue #409 page 5.
(and I think, Page 82 in the Second Chances graphic novel, at least according to the actual print pages, not the comixology page browser which is always one off.)
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[QUOTE=Aahz;4617174]In his first appearance he was at least in some panels really tiny and looked imo more like 9 year old than like a 12 year old.
For example here:
[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/f99afc9ec29e01e0a765857461509b9d/tumblr_p6oeogCuBd1x6ukuwo5_500.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm honestly not putting the 9 year old theory past me just yet, cause yeah, he looks REALLY young and small.
(Plus, like I said, considering this was DC relaying some of their stories and playing catch up to where they were with Jasons Robin tenure, I don't think the time skip theory is too much of a stretch.)
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Yeah, I remember his size and decided to put him at 10 because the link that includes other panels mentioned he's a 5th-grade dropout.
Joseph and Trina Todd, and Pre Crisis Jason was in junior high when he's Robin.
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You know it's funny how Pre Crisis Jason's parents were murdered by Killer Croc but in New 52 onwards they're friends through Roy.
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One has to remember with his post-Crisis origins, he was malnourished for an undisclosed amount of time. So him being small for his age (about 12) fits.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4617096]Copied for reference
Yes. That's what I remember. I think it was when Batman followed Jason into his apartment. I also remember Bruce looking up his parents on a... something... not internet maybe.
I just don't remember if she already died or not.
In New 52 she already died of an overdose before Jason met Batman, and then turned out it's a drug that's supposed to mimic death administered by Joker for the stupid part of his back story...
Man that link would've been easier to read if I remember which issue contains what
Copied for reference
Both Jason kinda looks too old to be 9 so I'm gonna say Pre Crisis is 12 and for Post Crisis follow that link that says he's a 5th grade drop out meaning he's at 10-11, spent 6 month to a year training so he's 12 when he started at Robin, spent 3 years as Robin and died at 15 according his death certificate.
Rebirth continues from New 52 and makes him about 16. Even though he's drawn looking 12 in his New 52 zero issue origin. He's drawn more like 16 in the New 52 Secret Origin.
What's the name of his parents Pre Crisis? I'll look it up, but maybe someone remembers faster and can post it.[/QUOTE]
Catherine and Joseph, iirc.
EDIT: geez, I should refresh my screem more often. Sorry for being too late.
EDIT: for what is worth, I don't think anyone who is 12 or 14 would be that underweight unless he was malnourished for years and years.
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Well, this was unexpected. From the YOTV: Joker
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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4617610]Well, this was unexpected. From the YOTV: Joker
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Yeah, it's got a weirdly bittersweet ending too [spoil]what with the Robin guy and his mother getting to walk away from the ordeal.[/spoil]
Also it's written by John Carpenter if that peaks anyones interest.
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4617779]Yeah, it's got a weirdly bittersweet ending too what with the Robin guy and his mother getting to walk away from the ordeal.
Also it's written by John Carpenter if that peaks anyones interest.[/QUOTE]
It peaks mine a bit (what a surprise).
He was interested in writing some Batman, I think? That could be, heh, fun, depending on which story he want to tell.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4617804]It peaks mine a bit (what a surprise).
He was interested in writing some Batman, I think? That could be, heh, fun, depending on which story he want to tell.[/QUOTE]
It's another twisted Joker story, but there's almost a weird, dare I say, masochistic element to Joker in the story? One that may border a little too much into uncomfortable territory for some?
spoilers but
[spoil]Joker drags this arkham patient, Jeremy around, dresses them both up as Batman and Robin (Joker as Bats, the guy Jeremy as Robin) whilst proclaiming that he is making things 'kinkier', then when the Robin guy finds that Joker has his mother tied up, threatening her, he starts choking the Joker, whereupon the Joker takes off the Batman mask he was wearing, placing it on the would be Robins face to emulate Batman choking him and gasps, 'harder' to the guy, which freaks the Robin guy out and then the pages Dark posted which show Joker beating the Robin guy half to death are what proceed.
He basically constructs a scenario to fulfill some kind of fantasy of Batman killing/choking him.[/spoil]
Also, sorry for getting off topic there.
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4617865]It's another twisted Joker story, but there's almost a weird, dare I say, masochistic element to Joker in the story? One that may border a little too much into uncomfortable territory for some?
spoilers but
[spoil]Joker drags this arkham patient, Jeremy around, dresses them both up as Batman and Robin (Joker as Bats, the guy Jeremy as Robin) whilst proclaiming that he is making things 'kinkier', then when the Robin guy finds that Joker has his mother tied up, threatening her, he starts choking the Joker, whereupon the Joker takes off the Batman mask he was wearing, placing it on the would be Robins face to emulate Batman choking him and gasps, [I]'harder'[/I] to the guy, which freaks the Robin guy out and then the pages Dark posted which show Joker beating the Robin guy half to death are what proceed.
He basically constructs a scenario to fulfill some kind of fantasy of Batman killing/choking him.[/spoil]
Also, sorry for getting off topic there.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, seems right his alley.
The end too, I guess.
I would prefer cheap fun Carpenter instead of serious horror Carpenter, but I guess I'll give it a look, knowing what I'm going to read beforehand.
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4617865]It's another twisted Joker story, but there's almost a weird, dare I say, masochistic element to Joker in the story? One that may border a little too much into uncomfortable territory for some?
spoilers but
[spoil]Joker drags this arkham patient, Jeremy around, dresses them both up as Batman and Robin (Joker as Bats, the guy Jeremy as Robin) whilst proclaiming that he is making things 'kinkier', then when the Robin guy finds that Joker has his mother tied up, threatening her, he starts choking the Joker, whereupon the Joker takes off the Batman mask he was wearing, placing it on the would be Robins face to emulate Batman choking him and gasps, [I]'harder'[/I] to the guy, which freaks the Robin guy out and then the pages Dark posted which show Joker beating the Robin guy half to death are what proceed.
He basically constructs a scenario to fulfill some kind of fantasy of Batman killing/choking him.[/spoil]
Also, sorry for getting off topic there.[/QUOTE]
I found it to be very similar to Azzarello's Joker, just leaning a bit more into the psychological horror.
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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4617950]I found it to be very similar to Azzarello's Joker, just leaning a bit more into the psychological horror.[/QUOTE]
You mean his 2008 graphic novel titled 'Joker' yeah? I've had that one in my comixology 'to buy' pile since forever, would you recommend it?
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God bless the Internet, that allows you to access almost everything at any given time.
Well, that was a pretty good one-shot.
[spoil]
I wasn't expecting a lot, but it was very good. A lot for it going on in foreground and background, a pretty interesting handle of certain themes, specifically how mental health* is treated (using the poing of view of the blond guy who is not-sane*). It's a comic about how mental health problems can mess you up, your view of reality, your whole life and your family; and how it doesn't have to have a happy, easy way of getting better, or having a happy end (but some things can be fixed or get a better). But also, I found it interesting that, in contrast, it doesn't romanticise Joker, at all, and doesn't draw him as insane*. He knows very when he's doing, and does so viciously. He's cruel, and he knows very well how cruel and twisted are his actions. Which is how Joker is nowadays in the comics, as far as I can see.
I also saw some light parallels with Jason, besides the obvious one with the beating and the mother. I wonder if it was intentional.
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In the end, I don't think it was that much serious horror. It was brutally violent, and heavy on certain points. But it wasn't all serious and the most heavy part was the dealing with the main character's problems, in my opinion.
I wouldn't mind more like this, to be honest.
And the art was very, very good.
And with this, I finish with my part in this off topic XD
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4618060]God bless the Internet, that allows you to access almost everything at any given time.
Well, that was a pretty good one-shot.
[spoil]
I wasn't expecting a lot, but it was very good. A lot for it going on in foreground and background, a pretty interesting handle of certain themes, specifically how mental illness is treated (using the poing of view of the blond guy who is ill). It's a comic about how mental illness can mess you up, your view of reality, your whole life and your family; and how it doesn't have to have a happy, easy way of getting better, or having a happy end (but some things can be fixed or get a better). But also, I found it interesting that, in contrast, it doesn't romanticise Joker, at all, and doesn't draw him as ill, at all. He knows very when he's doing, and does so viciously. He's cruel, and he knows very well how cruel and twisted are his actions. Which is how Joker is nowadays in the comics, as far as I can see.
I also saw some light parallels with Jason, besides the obvious one with the beating and the mother. I wonder if it was intentional.
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In the end, I don't think it was that much serious horror. It was brutally violent, and heavy on certain points. But it wasn't all serious and the most heavy part was the dealing with the main character's problems, in my opinion.
I wouldn't mind more like this, to be honest.
And the art was very, very good.
And with this, I finish with my part in this off topic XD[/QUOTE]
Sorry to keep it going XD but [spoil]I totally agree with your point about it not displaying the Joker in any sort of romanticized light yet his behavior and sick humor still feels true to the character. The story displaying his victim as an individual suffering with mental illness rather than the Joker was also a good point. Outside of some else worlds, I'm not a fan of specifically the Jokers violence and behavior being diluted under the guise of mental illness, it always come across as tasteless to me. I've always preferred the 'sane' take on the Joker, which is strongly highlighted here.
Also I thought I noticed some parallels as well, with Jeremys constant self doubt, self loathing, the fathers violence too, and with Jeremy forgiving his mother who (figuratively at least) abandoned him. Probably a coincidence but still interesting.[/spoil]
