[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4160984]When was the last time that Bendis influenced positively any character he wrote?[/QUOTE]
... I see your point, All I’m saying is maybe it won’t be as bad as we think.
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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4160984]When was the last time that Bendis influenced positively any character he wrote?[/QUOTE]
... I see your point, All I’m saying is maybe it won’t be as bad as we think.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4160999]... I see your point, All I’m saying is maybe it won’t be as bad as we think.[/QUOTE]
You know, I actually think so as well. Maybe I'm just an optimist.
[QUOTE=JasonTodd428;4160980]I have to disagree with you there. There are Jason Todd fans out there that prefer him as a villain rather than as even an anti-hero and it's not always because they want him in Dick's rogue's gallery or because they are fans of Dick Grayson. They oftentimes want Jason to be a thorn in Bruce's side as well.[/QUOTE]
"... to be part of Dick's rogue gallery (or Bruce' rogue gallery)." is what I meant.
Sometimes I feel that people don't understand the term "villain". Fighting a hero doesn't turn a character automatically in a villain.
Further, I still stand by my point that Jason was not a villain in UtRH. He was the antagonist.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4160999]... I see your point, All I’m saying is maybe it won’t be as bad as we think.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4161006]You know, I actually think so as well. Maybe I'm just an optimist.[/QUOTE]
I'm not willing to bet on that myself after reading his characterization of Flash in Superman. At best I think we'll get yet another mediocre outing for Jason and at worst he will be terribly out of character and will spew Bendis-speak just to make what Superman says and does look that much better by comparison. Bendis may have a great voice for Superman but his handling of everyone else around him needs massive improvement in my opinion especially in the Superman book. I wish I could be optimistic about this one like G is but after seeing how he handles other characters I just can't find it in myself to be.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4161014]"... to be part of Dick's rogue gallery (or Bruce' rogue gallery)." is what I meant.
Sometimes I feel that people don't understand the term "villain". Fighting a hero doesn't turn a character automatically in a villain.
Further, I still stand by my point that Jason was not a villain in UtRH. He was the antagonist.[/QUOTE]
That's the problem. There are people out there that just want him to be a straight up villain not just an antagonist, which is an entirely different thing. I do agree with you that he was an antagonist in UtRH rather than a villain but I think people may have started to think of him as a villain after that point. I think things started to change once Jason started to be used as the "Villain of the week" that writers pulled out whenever they got tired of using the standard rogues. By associating him with the others in that way they may have inadvertently created a connection between him and the term "villain" or "rogue".
You guys probably know already how I feel about Bendis writing yet another of my favourite characters. And probably also know how much I don't like how he writes and how much his work has burnt me from his days in Marvel. Going by what I've read in other places and by what @JasonTodd428 says (I trust him), I can see he hasn't changed his habits.
I don't hold hope for Jason in his hands. I hope I am wrong, if the case arises, for all that's loved.
But mostly, I won't hold it.
I do think he will write an enjoyable YJ run, though: teen, flashy stories, with lots of melodrama and without the pretension of having some epic or complex plot are one of his strengths, I think. Same as normal melodrama between regular adults (here I dont like him, but as far as I know, people who like that, like his work). And he's not bad at simple street-level stories. He can pull something enjoyable if he goes for an easy, fun and adventurous approach for that book.
Edit: also, I think Jason in Under the Hood was more like this actually: [url]https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiVillain[/url] An Anti-Villain, who also was an antagonist. Anti-Heroes often can cross to that territory if pushed. Well, in fact, I think he was also some kind of protagonist in the story, more than just the guy that brings conflict to the hero's path.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4161117]You guys probably know already how I feel about Bendis writing yet another of my favourite characters. And probably also know how much I don't like how he writes and how much his work has burnt me from his days in Marvel. Going by what I've read in other places and by what @JasonTodd428 says (I trust him), I can see he hasn't changed his habits.
I don't hold hope for Jason in his hands. I hope I am wrong, if the case arises, for all that's loved.
But mostly, I won't hold it.
I do think he will write an enjoyable YJ run, though: teen, flashy stories, with lots of melodrama and without the pretension of having some epic or complex plot are one of his strengths, I think. Same as normal melodrama between regular adults (here I dont like him, but as far as I know, people who like that, like his work). And he's not bad at simple street-level stories. He can pull something enjoyable if he goes for an easy, fun and adventurous approach for that book.
Edit: also, I think Jason in Under the Hood was more like this actually: [url]https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiVillain[/url] An Anti-Villain, who also was an antagonist. Anti-Heroes often can cross to that territory if pushed. Well, in fact, I think he was also some kind of protagonist in the story, more than just the guy that brings conflict to the hero's path.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Bendis has really divided the Super fandom since he took over. I gave it a shot, but holy crap has he torn down established characters to push his own narrative. His Lois Lane is the most inconsistently written character thus far. She went from being a mama bear in Rebirth that wouldn't let anyone hurt her Kryptonians, to a negligent mother, "needing her space" wife, and hiding her existence from her own husband Lois. Don't even get me started on aging Jon up 7 years right when Bendis brings Connor back.
[URL="http://losaf-72.tumblr.com/image/182197323294"]Losaf[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4161144]Yeah, Bendis has really divided the Super fandom since he took over. I gave it a shot, but holy crap has he torn down established characters to push his own narrative. His Lois Lane is the most inconsistently written character thus far. She went from being a mama bear in Rebirth that wouldn't let anyone hurt her Kryptonians, to a negligent mother, "needing her space" wife, and hiding her existence from her own husband Lois. Don't even get me started on aging Jon up 7 years right when Bendis brings Connor back.[/QUOTE]
Bendis would do nothing but undermine Dick, Jason, and Damian because he's 1000% on Team Timmy. I hope he gets bored real quick and moves on someplace else.
[URL="https://flaffizz.tumblr.com/post/182308918361/jason-todd"]flaffizz[/URL]
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4162113][URL="https://flaffizz.tumblr.com/post/182308918361/jason-todd"]flaffizz[/URL]
[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/69e90134b6761477e3f857d9342fa294/tumblr_plx174pZj41u4b1vko1_640.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Hello, I'm dapper Red Hood, and this is my fantastic eatery that I totally got by legal means.
Seems like Cully Hamner is [URL="https://twitter.com/CullyHamner/status/1089028021217050624"]staying[/URL] as a cover artist for RH:O.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4162215]Seems like Cully Hammer is [URL="https://twitter.com/CullyHamner/status/1089028021217050624"]staying[/URL] as a cover artist for RH:O.
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Good.
As someone said there, they make for a good pairing. And the cover is very eye catching: pretty and cool.
Also, loving the love for that suit-mask-umbrella.
And Woods commented yesterday that he was working on six new designs and redesigns for DC. So maybe we will get a few new and/or old regular characters "soon".
[QUOTE=RedBird;4162113][URL="https://flaffizz.tumblr.com/post/182308918361/jason-todd"]flaffizz[/URL]
[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/69e90134b6761477e3f857d9342fa294/tumblr_plx174pZj41u4b1vko1_640.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Damn. Perfection.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4162215]Seems like Cully Hammer is [URL="https://twitter.com/CullyHamner/status/1089028021217050624"]staying[/URL] as a cover artist for RH:O.[/QUOTE]
Good. I want more Jason and his fabulous hair.
I really love all the artworks of Young Justice Jason and Jason's new design in RH:O but I had hoped that Dog would receive the same attention from fan artists.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4162485]I really love all the artworks of Young Justice Jason and Jason's new design in RH:O but I had hoped that Dog would receive the same attention from fan artists.[/QUOTE]I'm not really a fan of the Young Justice design. And i would have preferred if they made him taller and bulkier.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4162559]I'm not really a fan of the Young Justice design. And i would have preferred if they made him taller and bulkier.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Jason is a teenager in YJ, ¿right? He's not an adult yet, and then, YJ designs tend to be slim, males too.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4162615]To be fair, Jason is a teenager in YJ, ¿right? He's not an adult yet, and then, YJ designs tend to be slim, males too.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't exactly call Connor "slim". Same with Lobo, the Terror Twins, etc.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4162615]To be fair, Jason is a teenager in YJ, ¿right? He's not an adult yet, and then, YJ designs tend to be slim, males too.[/QUOTE]He should be around 18 afaik.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4162648]He should be around 18 afaik.[/QUOTE]
Coincidentally (or maybe not) about the same age as Brion, Violet, Victor, and possibly Forager.
What exactly Ra's and Talia have planned for him though, remains to be seen.
The [URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?120845-The-Jason-Todd-Reread-(pre-and-post-crisis)"]Jason Todd Reread Thread[/URL] has been created. This weekend we discuss Batman #357.
Further, you find a link to the thread in the OP of this thread under "Other interesting stuff" (at the end of the OP).
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4162658]Coincidentally (or maybe not) about the same age as Brion, Violet, Victor, and possibly Forager.[/QUOTE]Btw. Brion and Victor seem also much smaller and slimmer than usual.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4162672]Btw. Brion and Victor seem also much smaller and slimmer than usual.[/QUOTE]
Well, Victor wasn't always the 90% machine he's been portrayed as lately.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4162674]Well, Victor wasn't always the 90% machine he's been portrayed as lately.[/QUOTE]But he was always a pretty huge guy. And a lot taller than Dick.
I have only seen clips of Young Justice. Jason is a little smaller than Dick, or?
Maybe Jason is not yet fully grown. Whatever happened to him could have slowed down/delayed his growth.
Oh, and here's a batfam fanart I've seen in the Batwoman appreciation thread.
[URL="http://vhyrel.tumblr.com/post/182255405107/commission-patreon-ko-fi"]Vhyrel[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4162721]I have only seen clips of Young Justice. Jason is a little smaller than Dick, or?
Maybe Jason is not yet fully grown. Whatever happened to him could have slowed down/delayed his growth.[/QUOTE]
Well, it seems up until the end of the scene, Jason's memories still eluded him. But after his little fight with Dick, they seem to begin to return.
What exactly Weisman has planned for Jason, I don't know yet. But canonically, he's right about the same age as the other heroes that Dick has been collecting.
And here we go again, with an all-new "recommended fanfics" list for you, fellow fans! [I]Here Be Dragons[/I] (and elves and bats), in this post, because it collects fanfics with Jason as a main character which are of the [B]traditional fantasy[/B] genre. This means [B]sword and sorcery[/B], and [B]epic and adventure[/B] with fantastic beasts, monsters and peoples. And dragons. Did I say I love dragons?
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/13707933/chapters/31488696"]The Knight's Quest[/URL], by @chibi_nightowl. This started as a very indulgent story with lots of banter, fluff and smut, but soon developed into a very interesting plot with a nice mystery, good drama and enjoyable dynamics. The main character is Tim, which happens to be a knight in an impossible quest and has a lot of issues; but Jason (who is a dragon with a lot of self-confidence and also some other issues) is the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteragonist"]deuteragonist[/URL], the second lead, and soon as important for the narrative as Tim is. We even get to read from his POV a few times (and I suspect that trend will continue in the next parts of the series). Even if the start is a bit weak and story doesn't pick up until they leave Jason's lair (chapter 4 or so), I got hooked very strongly when they started to hint to some weird moves and changes in what are our actual DCU relationships and blood bonds. Especially those surrounding Tim, but the ones with Jason, even if more in line with the DCU, also are an interesting take. Overall, this is a bit like what you can find in The Witcher books, if you have read them (but less angsty, because Tim is angsty, but nowhere near Geralt levels). [B]Mature content[/B] (but I think it borders in explicit), and obvious[B] JayTim ship[/B]. I'm looking forward to the next part.
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/12868470/chapters/29392725"]Fire-Blind[/URL], by @Skalidra. It's not finished, it probably will be way longer than a few chapters, and it's updated sparsely; but I'm going to list it because I was surprised by how much I liked and because it has already a few hours of reading within. Again, this is a story of a human and a dragon. Jason is a knight, a dragon rider, who is kidnaped (or more like raptured) by a wild dragon when he's fighting him (and losing against him, dying bassically). When he wakes up, he mets with some mystery, annoying, mischievous man—Slade, who calls himself the dragon's associate. You can guess he's the dragon, obviously; but Jason doesn't. And Slade is possessive and tricky and, well, very deathstroke-y. I'm not a fan of this ship, the [B]Jason/Slade[/B] ship (for reasons); but hey, this Slade is very readable, and it's a lot like reading a Jason soliloquy about what's happening when he's trapped in his lair. So, so far, I'm liking it. It's [B]mature rated[/B], more because what's probably going to depict than because what has depicted.
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/8552914/chapters/19609213"](Not A) Monster[/URL], by @Skalidra. So this is a mix of a road movie and a samurai story in a fantasy setting. The summary and tags don't do it any justice, bassically. I liked it a lot, even if the start is a bit of a heavy read and the last chapter is not as intense as the rest of the story was. But it's quite good. There is a slow burning Jason/Damian ship, and definitely explicit content of the uncomfortable kind: but keep in mind that this Damian is an adult by all means.
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/15791007"]Blood-Stained[/URL], by @M00n_Slippers. This fic is very, very good, but also barely a "fan" fic. It plays with the characters' names and motives and some of their traits and backgrounds; but to be honest, you could name each character with new names and the story would still hold itself just fine. It's[B] explicit targeted[/B], but it's written in such a smart style that you barely notice it (and the explicit content is plot related). Ship is[B] JayTim[/B], but again, because the plot works towards it naturally. Tim is the lead and the narrator's POV, but it's very Jason centered (well, this Jason): he's the case this Tim is working on. It reminded me a lot of Natsume Yuujinchou, if you know that anime or manga: same mood and style. I hope the writer writes more in this same 'verse.
And that's all for now. I will update the other posts with a few fics I've found that fit their themes, and then revisit previous posts to see if there are more of your recs that could be linked in this one. I'm currently a bit busy with IRL stuff, but I'll try to write a new rec post next week :). And as usual, any new recommendation is welcome.
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4162642]I wouldn't exactly call Connor "slim". Same with Lobo, the Terror Twins, etc.[/QUOTE]
But then, Conn[B]e[/B]r is as bulky as any other super, who are usually +Bruce levels of muscle. Edit: Ok, maybe the designs in YJ are slender because the style they use. I stand corrected.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4162648]He should be around 18 afaik.[/QUOTE]
Oh, ok, them. I thought he was still 16.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4162668]The [URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?120845-The-Jason-Todd-Reread-(pre-and-post-crisis)"]Jason Todd Reread Thread[/URL] has been created. This weekend we discuss Batman #357.
Further, you find a link to the thread in the OP of this thread under "Other interesting stuff" (at the end of the OP).[/QUOTE]
Cool. Thanks, @Sergard!
And nice art, again :3, nice arrangement of the characters too.
Edit: "[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119829-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Prince-of-Gotham-Appreciation-2019&p=4118058&viewfull=1#post4118058"]Ghosts and Urban Fantasy[/URL]" and "[URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119829-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Prince-of-Gotham-Appreciation-2019&p=4124331&viewfull=1#post4124331"]Jason is another kind of hero[/URL]" have been both updated. I guess our next list is going to be the one about familial relationships, because the amount of fics in that category is going to be BIG :D.
[URL="https://karinmin0507.tumblr.com/post/182189954647/jason"]Karin[/URL] (and other [URL="https://karinmin0507.tumblr.com/tagged/jason-todd"]Jason Todd artworks[/URL])
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Jason has the BEST fan-art!!!!!!!!
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New weekend, new desk shot from [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1089365707123347457"]Woods' twitter[/URL].
[QUOTE]On the desk today. Who or what could be surprising Fancy Jason?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4163527]New weekend, new desk shot from [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1089365707123347457"]Woods' twitter[/URL].
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Zaresh, I noticed your tag line about not sleeping and was concerned. Is there an insomnia problem? (if I'm not being too personal).
[QUOTE=oasis1313;4163601]Zaresh, I noticed your tag line about not sleeping and was concerned. Is there an insomnia problem? (if I'm not being too personal).[/QUOTE]
It's not too personal.
I've always been nocturnal, but yes, I also have some imsomnia problems. Always has had, since I was a kid (since I was a baby really). Only way to make me sleep fast once I'm in my bed is if I'm physically or mentally tired. I do sleep well when I have a job or a full schedue of activities each day, so this problem disappears when I have a job. If not, I always get distracted, need to do something, like reading. I have a hard time stopping thinking. Not a healthy routine, but I've seem worse.
That said, once I finally find my way to the dreamlands, I sleep for seven or eight hours just fine if I'm allowed and don't have to wake up at some given time. But I remember passing my training as teacher a few years ago with 3-4 hours 4 out of the 7 days of a week. I still find it incredible that I could teach those kids, and good enough to be granted some prise from my professors.
[QUOTE=oasis1313;4163438]Jason has the BEST fan-art!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
That he does. :cool:
Red Hood: Outlaw #32 variant?
[URL="https://twitter.com/shanedavisart/status/1089299189765419010"]Shane Davis[/URL]: [I]Last cover I did with #markchiarello he said he needed 3 things, penguin, a casino, and #Redhood. I sent back one rough and said I couldn't think of anything more clever. He laughed, and said he loved it.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4163803]Red Hood: Outlaw #32 variant?
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx331FnW0AU4bpI.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I certainly hope so, it looks great :D
Also, Sergard, thank you for doing such a wonderful job on building and maintaining the first (main) post for the appreciation thread with all the info, quotes and even updates on Jasons appearances in upcoming comics, it's fantastic.
Also, just for clarification, for the Robin Jason 'book club' are reviews and opinions meant to be posted for this upcoming Saturday, which is the 2nd of Feb I believe?
Remember the batfamily multi part statue? Looks like Jason got his rebirth outfit in it. :)
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxskEIYVYAAWweH.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=RedBird;4163806]I certainly hope so, it looks great :D
Also, Sergard, thank you for doing such a wonderful job on building and maintaining the first (main) post for the appreciation thread with all the info, quotes and even updates on Jasons appearances in upcoming comics, it's fantastic.
Also, just for clarification, for the Robin Jason 'book club' are reviews and opinions meant to be posted for this upcoming Saturday, which is the 2nd of Feb I believe?[/QUOTE]
I hope so too. (The cover actually reminds me a little bit of one of the boss fights in "Cuphead")
Thank you :o (Although Zaresh has done more work than I did)
You can already post your review/opinion. Batman #357 is scheduled for 26th of Jan. I just hadn't had the time yet to post my own opinion on the issue.