Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=RedBird;4155480]I love that there's no real indication that the umbrella will be used in the comic beyond a token of how Jason is mocking Penguins power and authority on that cover, there's no telling if its [I]actually[/I] part of the final design, but gosh dang it, that won't stop the artists from goin nuts with the concept XD

It just makes the whole outfit THAT much more dapper.[/QUOTE]

I really hope Jason keeps the umbrella. This combined with the mask would make his a unique look rather than just a suit. And it's perfectly in character as well.

On another note, I wonder if Jason will completely depend on Wingman's resources to take over Penguin's business. Does Jason still have a hold on Black Mask's empire? Might be useful.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4155963]I really hope Jason keeps the umbrella. This combined with the mask would make his a unique look rather than just a suit. And it's perfectly in character as well.

On another note, I wonder if Jason will completely depend on Wingman's resources to take over Penguin's business. Does Jason still have a hold on Black Mask's empire? Might be useful.[/QUOTE]

Plot twist: Jason's new suit is out of Black Mask's wardrobe. Except the umbrella. I loved that Jason stole the hoodie from some random defeated enemy in RHatO #26. I wish DC would make this some sort of thing that he does. And Jason would be hardly the only DC character who takes a victory prize. Look at all the stuff in the Batcave. Like father, like son.



[QUOTE=Arsenal;4155781]No Jason appearance in the recent teen titans.

But given some the dialogue, I’m feeling a tad more hopeful about how the annual will go.[/QUOTE]

Could you maybe give me a short summary what happened? My comic store didn't receive the issue in this week's shipping. So I have to wait until next week.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4156273]Plot twist: Jason's new suit is out of Black Mask's wardrobe. Except the umbrella. That thing obviously belongs to the Penguin. I loved that Jason stole the hoodie from some random defeated enemy in RHatO #26. I wish that DC would make that some sort of running gag. And Jason would be hardly the only DC character who does that. Look at all the stuff in the Batcave. Like father, like son.





Could you maybe give me some short summary what happened? My comic store didn't receive the issue in this week's shipping. So I have to wait until next week.[/QUOTE]
The teen titans breaking into the bat cave is really just a distraction so Damian can retire something hidden in a small box with a bat symbol on it. Alfred confronts him, defends Jason and warns Damian to re-evaluate the situation. Damian does not. We also seemingly get some more insight regarding why he wanted to work with Jason (not much but I expect it to be built on in next weeks Annual)

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4156327]The teen titans breaking into the bat cave is really just a distraction so Damian can retire something hidden in a small box with a bat symbol on it. Alfred confronts him, defends Jason and warns Damian to re-evaluate the situation. Damian does not. We also seemingly get some more insight regarding why he wanted to work with Jason (not much but I expect it to be built on in next weeks Annual)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the summary. You really made me curious, so I bought the digital version.

[SPOIL]The issue was interesting, and I love how Alfred defends Jason (while holding an umbrella - is that an Easter Egg?).
My favorite moment was a painting of Jason on the wall close to the "family portrait". (There was a portrait of Dick too, and by the look of it, all three paintings were done by the same artist)[/SPOIL]

Pete Woods on [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1088174984571215872"]Twitter[/URL]:

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New characters in RH:O?

[QUOTE=RedBird;4148590]Jason (new costume) + Tim

[URL="https://twitter.com/maple_DC/status/1086895947664130050"]maple_DC[/URL]

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It's so dapper and sleek, I love it[/QUOTE]

I don't know for sure if there's a connection, but Tim's clothes look very similar.

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And some Young Justice Jason and Tim by [URL="https://twitter.com/myjjyyd/status/1087340703645032448"]myjjyyd[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4156863]Pete Woods on [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1088174984571215872"]Twitter[/URL]:

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New characters in RH:O?[/QUOTE]
Kind of looks like creeper.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4156863]Pete Woods on [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1088174984571215872"]Twitter[/URL]:

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New characters in RH:O?[/QUOTE]

Mmm... Reminds me of someone, to be honest. But I don't know who. He is build like Crane, but he has long hair. No clue who could he be.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4156863]Pete Woods on [URL="https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1088174984571215872"]Twitter[/URL]:

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New characters in RH:O?[/QUOTE]

Is that the Scarecrow from Batman Beyond?

[QUOTE=AJpyro;4157283]Is that the Scarecrow from Batman Beyond?[/QUOTE]
Now that you mention it, it does kind of look like it.

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4156327]The teen titans breaking into the bat cave is really just a distraction so Damian can retire something hidden in a small box with a bat symbol on it. Alfred confronts him, defends Jason and warns Damian to re-evaluate the situation. Damian does not. We also seemingly get some more insight regarding why he wanted to work with Jason (not much but I expect it to be built on in next weeks Annual)[/QUOTE]

Just read it. I have no idea what's going on but it's really nice to see someone defend Jason outside of his own book. They even remember the 'family portrait'. Cool!

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4157723]Just read it. I have no idea what's going on but it's really nice to see someone defend Jason outside of his own book. They even remember the 'family portrait'. Cool![/QUOTE]

Man, Alfred is the father the Robins deserve.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4156648]Thanks for the summary. You really made me curious, so I bought the digital version.

[SPOIL]The issue was interesting, and I love how Alfred defends Jason (while holding an umbrella - is that an Easter Egg?).[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]

Could be. I read a couple of TT's previous issues to have a better idea what's going on, and thought the BOOM blood message in #23 might have been a nod to RHO#26 where Jason left the same message in the car.

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[QUOTE=G-Potion;4158569][URL="https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs_tA7EhkS9/"]Travis Mercer[/URL]

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Love it. I wonder if he will ink/clean it. I also read his comment: Woods definitely made a hit, everyone is liking that suit design :__D.

Just passing by (I'm not at home) to say that there has been some discussion in the DCcomics subreddit about Bendis' rumoured Leviatan story, again, and things don't look good for Jason. I may be biased, because I loathe the idea of him taking over the character (because I've grown so burnt for him in Marvel), but eh, I strongly would rather not, at all, never.

As much as I think he will do a more than decent work in YJ, please, don't put Bendis in a book that doesn't suit him. Not when he already is in half a dozen books. That cannot end well :/.

Oh god.

If that comes to happen (that I sincerely hope it won't), I wonder if us Jason fans could make enough ruckus on social media to revert things like it happened with Hydra Cap.

With the way RHO is going, Jason's likely to be given enough resource for his rumored role in Leviathan to be more possible now, sadly. But the reboot RHATO rumor with Roy is new to me. Where did it come from? In any case, I just hope Lobdell will still have a say when it comes to Jason.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4158935]With the way RHO is going, Jason's likely to be given enough resource for his rumored role in Leviathan to be more possible now, sadly. But the reboot RHATO rumor with Roy is new to me. Where did it come from? In any case, I just hope Lobdell will still have a say when it comes to Jason.[/QUOTE]

That is just speculation at the moment, based on the fact Bendis started following Jason and Roy focused fan accounts on Twitter and seemingly, he only does that for characters he writes.

Exactly as @Dark_Tzitzimine said. That's how I heard it.

I'm not really sure what to think of the Leviathan and Bendis stuff. I'm not really familiar with the concept or creator.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4158975]That is just speculation at the moment, based on the fact Bendis started following Jason and Roy focused fan accounts on Twitter and seemingly, he only does that for characters he writes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I just checked. The number of Jason-related twitter accounts he's following is surprising.

However, is interesting how something as banal as that showcases his mindset. Following accounts related to characters one is involved in the creative side is something relatively normal and even encouraged, but only following fan accounts instead of the creatives working with those characters, not so much.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4159011]However, is interesting how something as banal as that showcases his mindset. Following accounts related to characters one is involved in the creative side is something relatively normal and even encouraged, but only following fan accounts instead of the creatives working with those characters, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Eh, he wants a feel for what fans think of the character. Those that have followed the character for decades. It makes sense to me.

[QUOTE=Mataza;4159033]Eh, he wants a feel for what fans think of the character. Those that have followed the character for decades. It makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that shouldn't come at the expense of all the hard work other creatives have put on the character. There has to be a balance.

Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4159057]Yeah, but that shouldn't come at the expense of all the hard work other creatives have put on the character. There has to be a balance.[/QUOTE]

He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. To be honest i cant find any fault with that. He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4159269]Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/[/url]

At least I think the others are talking about that discussion.

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4159269]Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.[/QUOTE]

It's here. The discussion about Jason is by the second or third root reply.
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/[/URL]

Edit. ooops. Unneeded link. This is me with a lag the size of the Empire State.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4159057]Yeah, but that shouldn't come at the expense of all the hard work other creatives have put on the character. There has to be a balance.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much, I agree. But then, Bendis isn't known by how much he sticks to the previous writers' work. So it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Mataza;4159288]He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. [B]To be honest i cant find any fault with that.[/B] He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.[/QUOTE]

I do, though. Fans usually are highly biased, have their (our) own headcanons who may end in infinite ship wars, rewriting the whole story of the character and reducing him to merely two or three character traits. Which is, unfortunately, what happens with a lot of fanfics.

And don't get me wrong: I love reading fanfics; but they often have this problem in which the characters are, well, barely themselves, and lack depth. They become, in a lot of works, a bunch of behaviour routines and gestures because that's what most of fans remember from them. Or they give characters traits they don't show because it fits a certain archetype. Case in point, Jason often smokes and swears in the fandom, when he doesn't, at all, in the comics. No only he does not swear, he doesn't speak like some uneducated punk in the comics. In fact, he's rather eloquent, and uses an speech that, for me (I'm not a native speaker) comes across as very polite, even when he does speak in a very informal way.

Which, for me again, is something I love, because as someone who is in the low side of the income range (I'm not, well, I'm not poor, but I wouldn't say I'm middle class either) I often have to deal with people who falls in the assumption that someone who doesn't have economic possibilities has to be uneducated and doesn't have an interest in culture. So Jason coming from a worse place and yet being written like he is, makes me like him more (and dislike that kind of portrayal).

Okay, before I forget it for the umpteenth time: When should the re-read start? I'd suggest at the weekend, i.e. Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. So there won't be any direct overlaps with new releases.
We could already start this week - or some time later. If I recall correctly, we are only four, five people doing the re-read. So it should be doable that we find a time everyone is okay with.

And now some fanarts I found on twitter:

[URL="https://twitter.com/kumoriix/status/1088332074669338624"]@kumoriix[/URL] [I]started as a warmup but then turned to semi-realism and into a full piece just got into DC, especially jason todd (obviously)[/I]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/_koko_nutt_/status/1088151874312654848"]@_koko_nutt_[/URL] [I]I drew Jason Todd as robin because he’s my legit fave tho[/I]

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[URL="http://lightningstrikes-art.tumblr.com/tagged/jason%20todd"]lightning strikes[/URL] - an artist I can recommend in general, even if the last Jason artwork is from September, but there is a lot of cute/cool older stuff with Jason and/or the batfam; [URL="http://lightningstrikes-art.tumblr.com/post/158545425054"]for example[/URL]:

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That fanart really makes me smile. Robins are like a box of abandoned kittens. You don't just take out the one you like the most and leave the rest behind. You have to take them all.

Saturday sounds good for me: half a week to any release, and we have the previews either by friday or by monday, and they usually have their own threads. So that way we'll always have something to discuss on board.

[URL="https://twitter.com/Vorimar_raaaaan/status/1088472527205064704"] @Vorimar_raaaaan[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4159479]Okay, before I forget it for the umpteenth time: When should the re-read start? I'd suggest at the weekend, i.e. Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. So there won't be any direct overlaps with new releases.
We could already start this week - or some time later. If I recall correctly, we are only four, five people doing the re-read. So it should be doable that we find a time everyone is okay with.[/QUOTE]

Saturday's good for me too. We can start anytime.

[QUOTE=Mataza;4159288]He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. [B]To be honest i cant find any fault with that.[/B] He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.[/QUOTE]

Actually I can find fault with that because frankly fans are an extremely biased lot with, at times, some really strange notions and a great many of them are fans of the whole Jason as a one dimensional psychotic killing machine. In all honesty I'd much rather Bendis take a more balanced approach and temper his "fan views" of the character with some coming from people who have actually written Jason but I doubt very seriously that will happen. That being said if Bendis gets his hands on the character or if, God forbid, he should take over writing him on a more regular basis at some point I will simply stop reading. I had to drop his [I]Superman[/I] because of how terrible some of the characterizations were and how massively decompressed the story was so I don't have much good to say about Bendis's actual skills as a writer. I don't really trust him to do right by the character at all.

[QUOTE=JasonTodd428;4160905]Actually I can find fault with that because frankly fans are an extremely biased lot with, at times, some really strange notions and a great many of them [B]are fans of the whole Jason as a one dimensional psychotic killing machine.[/B] In all honesty I'd much rather Bendis take a more balanced approach and temper his "fan views" of the character with some coming from people who have actually written Jason but I doubt very seriously that will happen. That being said if Bendis gets his hands on the character or if, God forbid, he should take over writing him on a more regular basis at some point I will simply stop reading. I had to drop his [I]Superman[/I] because of how terrible some of the characterizations were and how massively decompressed the story was so I don't have much good to say about Bendis's actual skills as a writer. I don't really trust him to do right by the character at all.[/QUOTE]

But that are not Jason Todd fans. That are Dick Grayson fans (or to a lesser extent Bruce Wayne fans) who want Jason to be part of Dick's rogue gallery.
I at least hope that Bendis can distinguish the Jason Todd fanbase from people who just want to use Jason so that their favorite hero can "shine brighter".

Even Jason's fans can be very biased though, even ones whose fics I like to read. I had to unfollow a lot of tumblr blogs because of all the overreaction to Rebirth RHATO. A few examples, Jason/Artemis hate, Roy falling off the bandwagon (which wasn't Lobdell's doing he just knew it was gonna happen in Titans, but they like to blame him on everything), Willis being "a good dad" etc etc... It's funny how much people ramble about flat writing and cardboard characters but actually miss the three-dimensional part when it's presented to them.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and whatever plans Bendis may have for the character (should be have any) actually work out for us

[QUOTE=Sergard;4160934]But that are not Jason Todd fans. That are Dick Grayson fans (or to a lesser extent Bruce Wayne fans) who want Jason to be part of Dick's rogue gallery.
I at least hope that Bendis can distinguish the Jason Todd fanbase from people who just want to use Jason so that their favorite hero can "shine brighter".[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you there. There are Jason Todd fans out there that prefer him as a villain rather than as even an anti-hero and it's not always because they want him in Dick's rogue's gallery or because they are fans of Dick Grayson. They oftentimes want Jason to be a thorn in Bruce's side as well.

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4160973]Maybe we’ll get lucky and whatever plans Bendis may have for the character (should be have any) actually work out for us[/QUOTE]

When was the last time that Bendis influenced positively any character he wrote?