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If 5G is a timeskip (seems likely - Jon's meant to be an adult), then the entire line would be affected. Young Justice would almost certainly go with a new generation like the show did. Red Hood could just continue - Jason would just be older. Batgirl could be handed back to one of Barbara's pre-Flashpoint successors (both Cassandra and Stephanie are a lot younger than Babs, especially since she was aged up to late twenties recently).
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4737333]Oh, but those are old. I thought it was something new, more recent.
Well, I don't think it's going to affect Jason. In fact, I think we're going to still have a regular Bruce Batman book sideways, in continuity, alongside a few other books, like Rhato (if isn't canned by then), Batgirl, JY, TT, etc.[/QUOTE]
Bruce and the rest are going to be Black Label only.
What 5G means for series like RHatO, hasn't really been expanded on though.
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4737350]Bruce and the rest are going to be Black Label only.
What 5G means for series like RHatO, hasn't really been expanded on though.[/QUOTE]
Being Black Label doesn't mean it not being "in cont". Just that it's going to be mature targeted. Which makes sense business wise. Fans from a lifetime and general audience are mature and going to look for the Batman they know. In fact, I'm expecting that line's books to sell more than the regular DCU one.
This is a business. They're not going to put their flag characters, who give them most profit, in a box. They're just going to try new characters and ideas using the mainline like a showcase. I expect them to try the graphic novel format more often too, because that's where more sales from the adult readers in bookstores are going to come steadily. Or at least, that's what I think.
I honestly have to wonder how a team up with Bruce and Jason would be if he had to work with Bruce.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4737583]I honestly have to wonder how a team up with Bruce and Jason would be if he had to work with Bruce.[/QUOTE]
Right now? Not well. At all. Jason is even technically on Lex's side (though only to look after the group of kids, otherwise he's not really on anyone's side it seems). It would take an awful lot to get them to be around one another without going at it. Kind of makes me wonder how/when 3 Jokers is supposed to take place (if it ever comes out).
So it's really just all the other Batfam but Bruce that he is cool with. I guess it would take one of the Batam kipnapped. Which is rare.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4737625]So it's really just all the other Batfam but Bruce that he is cool with. I guess it would take one of the Batam kipnapped. Which is rare.[/QUOTE]
Add Damian there to that list with Bruce.
Dick, well, isn't Dick right now. So he's out of the picture. And Jason and Tim haven't really talked much in quite awhile, so hard to know where they stand on everything.
Okay so before Ric. We can at least know for sure Dick and babs. What about Batwoman, Catwoman or Cain? I'm curious why would it work with Dick and Not Bruce.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4737650]Okay so before Ric. We can at least know for sure Dick and babs. What about Batwoman, Catwoman or Cain? I'm curious why would it work with Dick and Not Bruce.[/QUOTE]
Batwoman? Sure. She even had a cameo during Jason's travels, helping him out a bit and giving him a ride afterward. Selina... Don't know. Especially since the break-up. And he simply hasn't interacted with Cass enough. The only time I'm aware of, was when Bruce still had amnesia during New52. And that was basically when they met for the first time, ever.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4737583]I honestly have to wonder how a team up with Bruce and Jason would be if he had to work with Bruce.[/QUOTE]
When they're in good terms, Batman gave Jason the second in command in Batman Incorporated, leading a team of presumed dead heroes because he's been on both sides, evil and good, and he knows how things work.
When partnering together, he lets him uses his gun but in a non-lethal way.
Banter-wise, Bruce is mission-focused and Jason trash talks the enemy. I don't remember if they talk to each other beyond what's the mission's about, but when friendly, they can have a rare sentimental moment of Jason's Robinhood. When not, Jason will bluntly diss Bruce's method.
Batman: "This could be dangerous"
Red Hood: "Are you serious?! That's been the case every time we go out. No wonder you lost so many of us."
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;4737345]If 5G is a timeskip (seems likely - Jon's meant to be an adult), then the entire line would be affected. Young Justice would almost certainly go with a new generation like the show did. Red Hood could just continue - Jason would just be older. Batgirl could be handed back to one of Barbara's pre-Flashpoint successors (both Cassandra and Stephanie are a lot younger than Babs, especially since she was aged up to late twenties recently).[/QUOTE]
Ugh. I dread it if that's the case.
I don't know why DC thinks anyone wants a time skip, and not a restoration.
Hopefully the time skip will only effect SOME characters, like the characters that were originally effected during new52. That would help realign some things.
That's the best case scenario imo.
Cute little nod to the Outlaws in today's Flash Forward #4
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I love the idea of the Outlaws of Justice. Lobdell should brought back his old pitch (hilariously relevant after Doomsday's Clock end) and have multiple Outlaws team-up.
Yeah that was kind of a neat reference, also cool to see a Red Lantern version of Jason.
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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4740146]Cute little nod to the Outlaws in today's Flash Forward #4
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I love the idea of the Outlaws of Justice. Lobdell should brought back his old pitch (hilariously relevant after Doomsday's Clock end) and have multiple Outlaws team-up.[/QUOTE]
I am so grateful that we didn't get Booth's regular colourist for this one. Not that they aren't bad, but they don't really fit his drawings.
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I like the style of these two a lot: nice colour palette, and cool urban style.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4740146]Cute little nod to the Outlaws in today's Flash Forward #4
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I love the idea of the Outlaws of Justice. Lobdell should brought back his old pitch (hilariously relevant after Doomsday's Clock end) and have multiple Outlaws team-up.[/QUOTE]
That last spread looks very 90s
Nevermind. The whole thing looks very 90s
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4740146]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/CCwYRXB.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]Does anybody know whom they have fused with Ravenger.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4742523]Does anybody know whom they have fused with Ravenger.[/QUOTE]
I almost want to say Lady Shiva, but I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4742523]Does anybody know whom they have fused with Ravenger.[/QUOTE]
That was the one that had me stumped.
The thigh high 'boots' along with the fully body outfit stopping at the chest reminded me of Artemis, but the green color doesn't make sense then, unless it's referring to her Requiem outfit which just feels needlessly convoluted. The thigh high boots and green color also reminded me of Cheshire, but I thought she was more known for here short skirt/robe combo.
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Damn, she can make anything look cool.
Jason looks oddly femenine though. Must be the way he's standing, looks like he's posing on a Beauty contest or something.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4743288]Jason looks oddly femenine though. Must be the way he's standing, looks like he's posing on a Beauty contest or something.[/QUOTE]
It's a contrapposto pose. It does put an emphasis in curving the body in a gentle arc, but it's a very classic pose for males across the history of art.
It's a relaxed and "casual" pose, but it's meant to also give a feel of movement. It is very common in fashion photography, too (see wiki article for more).
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapposto[/url]
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4743364]It's a contrapposto pose. It does put an emphasis in curving the body in a gentle arc, but it's a very classic pose for males across the history of art.
It's a relaxed and "casual" pose, but it's meant to also give a feel of movement. It is very common in fashion photography, too (see wiki article for more).
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapposto[/url][/QUOTE]
I see what Dark means though. If you don't focus right, the symbol on the chest ends up making it look like Jason is wearing something out of Wonder Woman's wardrobe.
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4743411]I see what Dark means though. If you don't focus right, the symbol on the chest ends up making it look like Jason is wearing something out of Wonder Woman's wardrobe.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see now. Yeah, but maybe it has more to do with how the symbol is drawn. Pecs aren't drawn that curvey, I think. It's more like the symbol is weirdly curvey.
I thought the obsevation was because of the slight S curve that Jason's body is drawing with his head-shoulders-waist-hips.
What should Jason's next arc be?
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4743288]Jason looks oddly femenine though. Must be the way he's standing, looks like he's posing on a Beauty contest or something.[/QUOTE]
He's standing the way a Hollywood badass female character with a gun and katana would look, with the hip cocked to one side
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4743195]Damn, she can make anything look cool.[/QUOTE]
I love the gun and sword combination.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4743577]What should Jason's next arc be?[/QUOTE]
Jason, Artemis and Bizarro reconnecting while Jason is dealing with Alfred's death and the fact that Ma Gunn is his grandmother.
Also some bonding time between Rebirth Outlaws and Generation Outlaws.
Blog time!
So today I counterargued someone in Reddit that said that Morrison's redhead Jason and Winick's Jason's had more in common than Winick's and Lobdell's. I can't believe people think that that redhead has anything to do with Under the Hood's Jason in anything but the name. I don't get it. I know Lobdell's is different than Winick's, but, as much as Morrison's? Even when Judd Winick came back for the character in that Dickbats run (chapters 24 to 26; I looked it up), I recall his part like kind of making fun of the way he was written when that run began (yet nothing unrespecful or breaking too much the character at the time, if memory serves me right).
I mean, I read Batman and Robin a long way back, but I think I'm not missremembering it that much. Or am* I? I had a lot of fun reading that run, but Jason wasn't a reason why; that part, I think I remembered it right. I hadn't read anything between that and Under the Hood (prior to B&R. I was reading some Batman's sagas* in order), so I even got to have a much clear contrast when I got to that point. And Dini's take, which was before it, but I read afterwards, was much more like Winicks, and definitely, something very similar to what we got with Lobdell. In my memories.
Maybe I should reread Batman and Robin.
Pre and Post Crisis Robin Jason have more common than UTRH Jason and Red Head Jason do.
I think all in all, it's a fruitless argument that has been disproved enough times to be tiring at this point. If canon material and facts showing how the two versions highly contradict each other in such fundamental ways to be entirely OOC isn't enough, then I don't know what else there is to say.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4744780]Pre and Post Crisis Robin Jason have more common than UTRH Jason and Red Head Jason do.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RedBird;4744821]I think all in all, it's a fruitless argument that has been disproved enough times to be tiring at this point. If canon material and facts showing how the two versions highly contradict each other in such fundamental ways to be entirely OOC isn't enough, then I don't know what else there is to say.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't resist myself to comment on why I thought differently; after 8 hours of work without proper sleep time I'm too open to argue about whatever :_____D. But at least I know it's not that I remember it all that wrongly.
I recently reread Revenge of the Red Hood and I can kind of see where that other person comes from. Morrison used Jason as a means to express his ideas rather than use him as a character but despite that, is not that much OOC. In fact, the only thing I can find to be completely OOC is his murder of the cops at the start since Jason was never one to kill people that easy. That said, his take on Jason reads like the logical endpoint of Winnick's Jason because, and this is important to never forget, [B]Winnick never saw Jason as anything but a villain.[/B] To Winnick there was no redemption, no forgiveness, no nuance, he always considered Jason a villain all the way through.
Lobdell, on the other hand, has never seen Jason as a villain and in fact, the only condition he put when he landed the gig was being allowed to redeem Jason and inching him closer to be a hero.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4745039]I recently reread Revenge of the Red Hood and I can kind of see where that other person comes from. Morrison used Jason as a means to express his ideas rather than use him as a character but despite that, is not that much OOC. In fact, the only thing I can find to be completely OOC is his murder of the cops at the start since Jason was never one to kill people that easy. That said, his take on Jason reads like the logical endpoint of Winnick's Jason because, and this is important to never forget, [B]Winnick never saw Jason as anything but a villain.[/B] To Winnick there was no redemption, no forgiveness, no nuance, he always considered Jason a villain all the way through.
Lobdell, on the other hand, has never seen Jason as a villain and in fact, the only condition he put when he landed the gig was being allowed to redeem Jason and inching him closer to be a hero.[/QUOTE]
Mmmm... I remember finding myself thinking that Winick's Jason wouldn't have done things like he did, his personality and behaviour felt definitely way off for me at that time. It wasn't that he was so obviously villanious even; it was how he did things, how he said things, and how he reacted. I guess I could reread it and see, but I really got that strong impression that I still remember clearly. He came across to me as some clown who overreacted and claimed for everyone's attention in the most noisy way. Which has little to do with how I remember Jason did claim attention or let himself be noticed by others. Or played his dramatics. I know Winick didn't saw him as anything like a hero. But then in the Outsiders, when he showed up briefly (I think I remember looking at these issues out of curiosity), he wasn't a villain exactly either, if I recall correctly. It's weird. Or really, I can't read his Jason as he meant him to be readed. Because when he rewrote Under the Hood for the movie, I could still feel a lot of sympathy for Jason, despite him being the villain.
I know that Lobdell's isn't a perfect copy of that Jason either; but at times, he really feels like he could still be. I remember having that feel not long ago, this year maybe by spring or so. Can't remember which issue.
But I don't have an issue with Seeley's Jason in that wedding special (and I think some people have them. For me, it was humorous, but not off. Just a different mood), so there's that too. It's something akin to headcanons I guess.
Winnick's Jason has a purpose. He wants Joker dead. He just didn't care about the damages it caused to get there. Morrison's Jason and Jason who terrorized Tim in Teen Titans feels like someone who couldn't achieve that purpose, so he decided to target his brothers like throwing a tantrum.
The Nightwing/Tentacle Jason... I don't know what he's doing. He got bored maybe. Which is funny, because that's the first Jason that appeared after Under The Red Hood, I think, so it's like "Dang, Batman beats me. Might as well dick around and play hero for a while since big bro's not here"
The way he's written after Under The Red Hood until New 52 it's clear they don't know what to do with him. Nightwing Jason dicks around for a year, Teen Titans Jason bullied Tim, then he goes heroic with Donna and Kyle, then he went nuts trying to be Batman, and then he trolls the new Batman and Robin, and then he GTFO of town with a new sidekick. Viewed as a whole it's hilarious. Can it be argued that he really lost purpose and that's why he's so random?