Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=Sergard;4362613]I didn't know that the batfamily spread by Tony S Daniel for Detective Comics #1000 originally looked a little different.

Unpublished spread ([URL="https://twitter.com/TonyDanielx2/status/1111361717513027584"]source[/URL])

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2xZlk9UwAE2BFM.jpg[/IMG]


Final version

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2vuk6KXgAAj6L9.jpg[/IMG]



I prefer the original version because it has a better family dynamic. In the final version you have Batman in the front and the rest in the background. There even seems to be a little bit of distance between Batman and the others.[/QUOTE]

I agree. The original also feels less crowded, somehow.

Red Hood Teaming up with the Power Rangers ... sort of :cool:

[video=youtube;dmlz6tfV7nY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlz6tfV7nY[/video]

[URL="https://twitter.com/ThomasHedglen/status/1127390786490982400"]Thomas Hedglen[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6VL5ouW0AAH1OO.jpg[/IMG]



[URL="https://twitter.com/penciler_grazie/status/1129772879158140928"]Ella Grazie[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D63CP4GW4AACvYo.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sergard;4362553]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6wUC_QVsAAKOPK.jpg[/IMG]

[/QUOTE]

This is a cool piece, but unless that bow weighs something like 50kg, there's no way he can stay balanced in that position :p

[QUOTE=gohei_;4363108]This is a cool piece, but unless that bow weighs something like 50kg, there's no way he can stay balanced in that position :p[/QUOTE]

A year or two ago, on America's Got Talent, there was a girl who did that exact thing, and fired the arrow at a target (fairly accurately) for the opening to her later acts. No clue how heavy the bow was though.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4363247]A year or two ago, on America's Got Talent, there was a girl who did that exact thing, and fired the arrow at a target (fairly accurately) for the opening to her later acts. No clue how heavy the bow was though.[/QUOTE]

That girl had a different pose. Here's a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ5CoChNlIk"]youtube clip[/URL] of her performance. You'll notice that her butt is nearly above her head and therefore her center of mass is pretty much above her arms. That's why she can keep her balance in this position. But in the fanart above, Jason's center of mass is probably somewhere behind his arms. So if he'd try to hold this pose for longer than a moment he'd normally loose balance and fall down. A heavier bow would shift the center to the front - but I don't think his toes/feet are strong enough to hold a 50 kg bow like that.

Well, Leviathan is not Jason. They told Plastic Man in their recruitment poster in Newsarama that being born in a broken world [I]almost[/I] killed them.

I mean Jason's not dead now, so I guess it depends on how you view things.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4363549]Well, Leviathan is not Jason. They told Plastic Man in their recruitment poster in Newsarama that being born in a broken world [I]almost[/I] killed them.[/QUOTE]

I read that post in Dick's thread. Mmm...
Mmm...

I may be convinced, but still cannot feel totally safe. Or feel relief, even. I know Ric is not Dick, but, eh... Eh... I don't like the idea either.

As I said, we'll see soon.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4363312]That girl had a different pose. Here's a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ5CoChNlIk"]youtube clip[/URL] of her performance. You'll notice that her butt is nearly above her head and therefore her center of mass is pretty much above her arms. That's why she can keep her balance in this position. But in the fanart above, Jason's center of mass is probably somewhere behind his arms. So if he'd try to hold this pose for longer than a moment he'd normally loose balance and fall down. A heavier bow would shift the center to the front - but I don't think his toes/feet are strong enough to hold a 50 kg bow like that.[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was thinking :)

Anyone else hear the theory that Roy didn't actually die in HiC and is actually Leviathan?

How much validity do you think that one has?

[QUOTE=RedBird;4363649]Anyone else hear the theory that Roy didn't actually die in HiC and is actually Leviathan?

How much validity do you think that one has?[/QUOTE]

The idea crosed my mind. Not that he didn't die, but that he was brought back by a Lazarus Pit. Now, who could do that, I couldn't think about a name. I don't know enough about the Arrow part of the DCU. Besides, he was cremated, wasn't he? But of course, there are ways to skip and go around that part.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4361500][url]https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/05/16/gotham-gazette-a-new-team-rises[/url][/QUOTE]

Do these fan news writers normally have any insider information? Seems like this writer at least thinks that Isabel won't last. And although I'm still on the fence regarding her character and her relationship with Jason, I hope she won't get fridged. There is already enough drama in Jason's life and therefore no need to artificially create more drama.


[QUOTE]RED HOOD: OUTLAW #37
written by SCOTT LOBDELL
art and cover by KENNETH ROCAFORT
variant cover by PHILIP TAN
Leave it to Red Hood to get Lex Luthor’s strangest offer of all: to train the next generation of super-villains! Hand-picked for their incredible talents, not to mention their potential to spread villainy and doom across the globe. As the only super-villain in the world to have trained under Batman himself, Red Hood is the ideal instructor. But has Jason Todd fallen so far that he’d take on the task of forging tomorrow’s Legion of Doom or Crime Syndicate—or is he trying to work from within to undermine Lex’s villainous machinations? Even if Red Hood’s heart is in the right place, he still has to butt heads with his powerful and dangerous new pupils. Grab some ammo and settle in for the beginning of the next generation of Outlaws![/QUOTE]

I'm looking forward to Rocafort's art. Judging by the cover he even adapts to Jason's more muscular Rebirth body than the thinner New52 version.
Seems like we lost Yasmine Putri to Flash. Obviously I'm biased but I prefer Yasmine Putri's batfamily variants over her Flash artworks.
I'm not sold on Tan's variant. It looks like Jason has fingernails on his finger joints and these fingernails are painted red. But the pose and the idea with the lightning in the background (a classic) are nice.

The next generation of super-villains looks more like a group of troubled teens that somehow ended up in a bad experiment that altered their appearances drastically, and while rejected by normal society they have to look after an infant. Calling Jason a "[B]super[/B]-villain" is also a little bit of a far stretch. Even in his darkest hours his actions can't compare tho heavyweights like Joker, Ra's Al Ghul, Lex Luthor, etc.

But altogether, I'm still slightly optimistic that this will be an interesting read. Originally I feared that the current Teen Titans break up and that maybe Crush and someone else will be shifted to RH:O (because of the "Sidekicks…broken, battered and catastrophically dangerous sidekicks. The Teen Titans they’re not!" in the RH:O #36 solicitation). And although I'd like to see Jason and Crush interact, I prefer to see her in Teen Titans.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4362222]Well, I think he is pointing to Jason [B]not[/B] being behind Leviathan. Damian is going to attempt to prove that Jason isn't behind, so it's not so far fetched if Jason is actually connected to Leviathan in the end (shock value), or even Leviathan himself (which I think it's a lot less possible at this point, but still not an idea I would disregard yet).
[/QUOTE]

I agree with Zaresh. That's how I see it too. And it annoys me. Especially since I have been looking forward to the YotV events. There are a lot of villains I like, for example Lex Luthor and Ra's Al Ghul. Even the Black Mask special would still have interested me despite the mentioned plot hole. But the threat of Jason being sacrificed à la Morrison really takes the fun out of everything. Not even the tiny chance of Jason and Silencer meeting in Leviathan #3 can light up my mood. The chances are probably higher anyway that Silencer appears but Jason will only get mentioned. Like in Teen Titans and Damian's "secret mentor". I don't understand why Batman needs so many "detectives" to solve the mystery if he could just go to Jason and ask him if he's Leviathan or not.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4362841]I agree. The original also feels less crowded, somehow.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate that Daniel changed Alfred's necktie to a bow-tie; probably because Alfred's pose changed from a half-body shot to a head shot. A necktie in the final version would have empathized the feeling of Alfred being cramped into the background.
Jason's final pose was originally Duke's. There's nothing wrong with the pose per se but it looks a little strange with Dick and Jason so close together and both stand cross-armed. Duke and Dick had two people between them - and there was more background around Duke so that his pose could "breathe" more while in the final version the focus is more heavily on Jason's chest and arms instead of perceiving the pose as a whole.
I don't like Damian in either version. He sits either crouched in the front or crouched in the back. Both options aren't in his favor.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4363549]Well, Leviathan is not Jason. They told Plastic Man in their recruitment poster in Newsarama that being born in a broken world [I]almost[/I] killed them.[/QUOTE]

I've seen those posters. For everyone else: Here's the [URL="https://www.newsarama.com/45238-leviathan-recruits-criticizes-7-dc-hero-detectives-in-new-promo-images.html"]Newsarama article[/URL].

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDE2L29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi0xLmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]



[B]Batman[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDE3L29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi0yLmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]



[B]
Green Arrow[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDE4L29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi0zLmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]

[B]Plastic Man[/B]


[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDE5L29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi00LmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]



[B]Batgirl[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDIwL29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi01LmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]




[B]Lois Lane[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDIxL29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi02LmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]

[B]The Question[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDIyL29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi03LmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]



[B]Manhunter[/B]

[IMG]https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNTYvMDIzL29yaWdpbmFsL0V2ZW50LUxldmlhdGhhbi04LmpwZw==.jpg[/IMG]




To be honest, I can imagine Jason saying some of that stuff. On the other hand, Jason has no real connection to most of these characters. So it would be strange for him to be so emotional towards them.

And so far I haven't seen any real analysis of who Leviathan could be, only guesses and rumor spreading.
Personally, I'd be thrilled if Leviathan was actually more than one person.

[URL="https://twitter.com/natchrisart/status/1129077404343758848"]taya (@natchrisart)[/URL] "[I]Faux trailer for a (coming soon!) fancomic written by @_anelderling and illustrated by me, A Second Darkness. #Nightwing #RedHood[/I]"

(Little info: The text is from the "Parable of the Prodigal Son".)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ4zsU0AAqoZU.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ4zrU8AEgB1w.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ4zsV4AAD9Yl.jpg[/IMG]

(continuation)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ4zqUcAAB-Bf.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ-XbUIAEAit2.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ-wiUIAAgn0y.jpg[/IMG]

(continuation)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ-XbUIAANq1s.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tJ-XcU0AEdtKJ.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tKHJ9UIAIQzMM.jpg[/IMG]

(last page)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tKHJ9U8AAQy5o.jpg[/IMG]



I don't know if this is going to be good or not but the preview is [B]intense[/B], you can't argue with that.

And here are some fanarts by mrkokkuri-chan. I can't remember if I already posted them in the past or not. His tumblr name sounds familiar though.

[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/f293d8230e442168e675a4bc00a1144c/tumblr_pqn5sr5Ljp1uy5jvxo1_1280.jpg[/IMG]

([URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/184490212913/he-may-have-died-this-day-but-i-want-him-to-be"]source[/URL])



[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/60f1dc9d31a3f9d906edb66efb15071f/tumblr_inline_pqjazydTeC1twsy2z_1280.jpg[/IMG]

([URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/184442710713/if-you-are-still-taking-requests-how-about-some"]source[/URL])


[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/b8bc611bbd3f864cce93868e187831f6/tumblr_pqfgls0N4e1twsy2z_1280.jpg[/IMG]

([URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/184394401713/how-about-angst-ghosty"]source[/URL])

[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/be42b8c21683a86b9862659ce998ca14/tumblr_pmd8y7XIOQ1uy5jvxo1_1280.jpg[/IMG]

([URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/182532190498/ive-been-introduced-to-a-new-hell-well-shit"]source[/URL])



[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/35c584a5d7f7af94e0a6ec4ee565adfb/tumblr_prcqfdjZdp1uy5jvxo1_1280.jpg[/IMG]

([URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/184807480613/have-a-lil-father-todd-to-purify-ur-heart-no"]source[/URL])


I don't know if [URL="https://mrkokkuri-chan.tumblr.com/post/184974486538/i-have-some-kind-of-obsession-with-scars-like"]this fanart[/URL] is too "sexy", so maybe a NSFW-warning, but I think it's nicely done and surprisingly aesthetically pleasing.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4363813](last page)

I don't know if this is going to be good or not but the preview is [B]intense[/B], you can't argue with that.[/QUOTE]

True. I haven't seen something this grand when it comes to collabs in this fandom.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4364023]True. I haven't seen something this grand when it comes to collabs in this fandom.[/QUOTE]

My only gripe, was that Dick looked rather feminine.

[URL="https://twitter.com/derpykaichu/status/1130011428310605824"]kaichu[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D66bZbgUwAA8Fyd.jpg[/IMG]



[URL="https://twitter.com/bluetost_T/status/1130054978955907072"]bluetost_T[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D67C_x4UwAEnigE.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D67DAkJVUAIA0fS.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=RedBird;4363649]Anyone else hear the theory that Roy didn't actually die in HiC and is actually Leviathan?

How much validity do you think that one has?[/QUOTE]

i know i joke about it a couple of times but he's only been dead 9 months

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4363662]The idea crosed my mind. Not that he didn't die, but that he was brought back by a Lazarus Pit. Now, who could do that, I couldn't think about a name. I don't know enough about the Arrow part of the DCU. Besides, he was cremated, wasn't he? But of course, there are ways to skip and go around that part.[/QUOTE]

the only person who might bring Roy back is vandal savage his one of Roy great relatives

[URL="https://66.media.tumblr.com/5c1660b88de8841e5a7617ef627a653d/tumblr_prfeopM2ox1t15wqso2_1280.jpg"]0yongyong0 pokemon AU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sergard;4364129][URL="https://twitter.com/derpykaichu/status/1130011428310605824"]kaichu[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D66bZbgUwAA8Fyd.jpg[/IMG]



[URL="https://twitter.com/bluetost_T/status/1130054978955907072"]bluetost_T[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D67C_x4UwAEnigE.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D67DAkJVUAIA0fS.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

These two are incredibly cute. Well, the second-third one is incredibly sad, but still, cute. I love all the chibis in the first one, and how they're posing.

[URL="https://twitter.com/nockuth/status/1130335775806164992"]nockuth[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6_CZO4UYAEjEZt.jpg[/IMG]

I didn't notice at first, but:

RH:O #35 - June 12, 2019
RH:O #36 - July 10, 2019
RH:O Annual #3 - July 31, 2019
RH:O #37 - August 28, 2019

That's a pretty big time gap between RH:O #36 and #37.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4365928]I didn't notice at first, but:

RH:O #35 - June 12, 2019
RH:O #36 - July 10, 2019
RH:O Annual #3 - July 31, 2019
RH:O #37 - August 28, 2019

That's a pretty big time gap between RH:O #36 and #37.[/QUOTE]

So... we're changed to the last week of each month? Weird, but I guess they'll at least take advantage of the annual that way, in case they wanted to reorganize their release schedule for all their books or something (with all the cancellations and all that). Unless it's because some kind of spoiler related to the events for this summer. Hmmm...

Love that they are finally bringing back the all caste. Love this idea. I wish they would move in a direction where Jason embraces this. He could totally be DC's jedi knight. This would really give him his own identity apart from the other ex-Robins.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4366024]So... we're changed to the last week of each month? Weird, but I guess they'll at least take advantage of the annual that way, in case they wanted to reorganize their release schedule for all their books or something (with all the cancellations and all that). [B]Unless it's because some kind of spoiler related to the events for this summer. Hmmm...[/B][/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same. There is so much going on this summer with YotV that I don't know anymore what's important and what's not, especially since it's not clear if Jason will have a big role to play or actually none at all because everything is just a red herring.

Philip Tan posted the inks of 37's variant cover

[ATTACH=CONFIG]82570[/ATTACH]

[url]https://twitter.com/philipsytan/status/1130550015041056768[/url]

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4362644]I’m not worried about that either. Figure Lobdell wouldn't dedicate the entire annual to Artemis & Biz if he didn’t have plans to bring them back (relatively) soon. For all we know, they could be brought back in the YOTV arc. I mean, who would’ve guessed we would have the return of Isabella, Al Caste, the blades, new Al Caste trainees, Ducra & Essence in a story about Jason taking over Penguin’s casino?

Hell, for all we know Luthor helping Jason find Artemis & Biz could end up being part of the deal.[/QUOTE]

I've been super behind on most things comics-related, but with all these internal call-backs (including the external call-back of Bunker), I hope we'll get to see Crux/Simon Amal get an extended return into Jason's life soon, too. (Not sure if he's been seen or referenced since his early cameo appearance way back when, since, again, I've been busy with semester things.)

I'm also happy to see Isabella again. She and Jason had a brief, but overall comfy-feeling thing with one another back then.

Anyway, looking forward to Jason being a villainous mentor who's a stealth hero mentor to these macabre-looking new kids!

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4366248]Philip Tan posted the inks of 37's variant cover

[ATTACH=CONFIG]82570[/ATTACH]

[url]https://twitter.com/philipsytan/status/1130550015041056768[/url][/QUOTE]

That reminds me... what do you guys prefer for Jason Todd art? Rough and tough and fierce like Jim Lee, Lee Bermejo and this, or athletic pretty boyish like Rocafort and Dexter Soy?

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4367105]That reminds me... what do you guys prefer for Jason Todd art? Rough and tough and fierce like Jim Lee, Lee Bermejo and this, or athletic pretty boyish like Rocafort and Dexter Soy?[/QUOTE]

Rocafort and Soy. By far.
I don't remember Bermejo's art style, but if he's anything like Jim Lee's, it's a no brainer for me. I honestly have never liked the heroic canon, so you can guess. Even less when they draw 18 year olders like they are half way their 40s.

Now then, if the big muscle tough looking guys come with some nice lighting and shadding and / or some other stylistic choice that feels different, I can like it as much as well.

[QUOTE=J. D. Guy;4367097]I've been super behind on most things comics-related, but with all these internal call-backs (including the external call-back of Bunker), I hope we'll get to see Crux/Simon Amal get an extended return into Jason's life soon, too. (Not sure if he's been seen or referenced since his early cameo appearance way back when, since, again, I've been busy with semester things.)

I'm also happy to see Isabella again. She and Jason had a brief, but overall comfy-feeling thing with one another back then.

Anyway, looking forward to Jason being a villainous mentor who's a stealth hero mentor to these macabre-looking new kids![/QUOTE]
I believe Crux had a blink-and-you-miss-it one panel cameo post RHATO 25 but I can’t remember in which issue.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4367105]That reminds me... what do you guys prefer for Jason Todd art? Rough and tough and fierce like Jim Lee, Lee Bermejo and this, or athletic pretty boyish like Rocafort and Dexter Soy?[/QUOTE]

Rocafort and Dexter Soy because it's important to me that he looks his age.

Lee and Soy, the Rocafort is imo to skinny.