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[QUOTE]I’m working on Red Hood issue 33 right now and I think longtime readers are going to love the direction the story is going. I know I’m having a ton of fun drawing it![/QUOTE]
[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1086377042910732288[/url]
So much for my hopes Woods had left the book.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4145930]It is at least relativity stable on a much higher spot then before the new direction.
Also intersting that it is now above ADVENTURES OF THE SUPER SONS, since the last Super Sons Series sold usually better than RHatO.[/QUOTE]
If I had to make a guess I'd say that the number of sold copies is more important than the spot in the ranking - although, of course, there is a correlation.
I clicked through different months on comichron. For comparison:
[URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-11.html"]November 2018[/URL]: 24,485 copies sold, rank 83
[URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-09.html"]September 2017[/URL]: 24,376 copies sold, rank 102
These rankings are interesting but I'm still not sure how to "evaluate" the information since there is a lot going on on the comic market.
Although I have to admit, that I had forgotten how low RHatO numbers had been in the past.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4145983][img]https://i.imgur.com/TLznf7g.jpg[/img]
[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1086377042910732288[/url]
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Oh nice, back to the All-Caste. I hope the red censoring is hiding Essence.
Although I'm surprised that Jason is visiting the All-Caste in #33 shortly after returning to Gotham in #32.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4145983][img]https://i.imgur.com/TLznf7g.jpg[/img]
[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1086377042910732288[/url]
So much for my hopes Woods had left the book.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what I'm looking at, besides this being some kind of jungle-swamp settling with what looks like a classical or neoclassical style building at the lower right.
I guess this is either something related to the place Biz and Art are, or something related to Swamp Thing or the lot who are like him, which definitely would excite Woods, because he seems like a pulp lover like myself. But it probably is the former: it's something from that other universe.
Edit: right, of course, it's the place where the all-caste are. Geez, I feel a little dumb now.
@Zaresh: Does this help? From "Red Hood and the Outlaws #2" (2011-2015)
Look at the stone head.
[IMG]https://offthepanelcomicreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/red-hood.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Sergard;4146052]@Zaresh: Does this help? From "Red Hood and the Outlaws #2" (2011-2015)
Look at the stone head.
[IMG]https://offthepanelcomicreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/red-hood.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it helps. I realized it was that place when I sent the message and saw you reply. I totally forgot about how the Acres of All looked.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4146061]Yeah, it helps. I realized it was that place when I sent the message and saw you reply. I totally forgot about how the Acres of All looked.[/QUOTE]
I didn't remember it either. My clue was Woods comment "I think longtime readers are going to love the direction the story is going." and that the place looks ancient and destroyed. So the All-Caste came to mind.
Although I'm a little surprised that the place still lies in ruins. I thought Essence wants to rebuild the All-Caste - and that this also includes tidying up the place.
I'm a little worried about Dog. I can't imagine that Jason will take her along on his journey from Mexico to Gotham and then to the All-Caste (in China?).
[QUOTE=Sergard;4146079]I didn't remember it either. My clue was Woods comment "I think longtime readers are going to love the direction the story is going." and that the place looks ancient and destroyed. So the All-Caste came to mind.
Although I'm a little surprised that the place still lies in ruins. I thought Essence wants to rebuild the All-Caste - and that this also includes tidying up the place.
I'm a little worried about Dog. I can't imagine that Jason will take her along on his journey from Mexico to Gotham and then to the All-Caste (in China?).[/QUOTE]
Unless there is a magic pathway from Gotham (that, to be honest, these Shangri-La knock-offs tend to have sooner or later), I don't see Jason dragging Dog with him to that place. But if he's in Gotham in issue #32, and that issue seems to be the first of a new arc settled mostly in Gotham, this picture may belong to some flashback from the old run.
Could be another flashback
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4145983][img]https://i.imgur.com/TLznf7g.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Sweet. I hope this will be more than just a one-panel flashback. Since Jason's solo right now it's a good time to bring back his past storylines and associates.
Who do you think?
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZaV0S4G.png[/img]
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4146257]Who do you think?
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZaV0S4G.png[/img][/QUOTE]
With how lucky we tend to be, Bizarro is losing his awesome beard. I hope I'm wrong, I love bearded supes.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4146274]With how lucky we tend to be, Bizarro is losing his awesome beard. I hope I'm wrong, I love bearded supes.[/QUOTE]
#ProtectBeardedBiz
[QUOTE=Sergard;4146020]If I had to make a guess I'd say that the number of sold copies is more important than the spot in the ranking - although, of course, there is a correlation.
I clicked through different months on comichron. For comparison:
[URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-11.html"]November 2018[/URL]: 24,485 copies sold, rank 83
[URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-09.html"]September 2017[/URL]: 24,376 copies sold, rank 102
These rankings are interesting but I'm still not sure how to "evaluate" the information since there is a lot going on on the comic market.
Although I have to admit, that I had forgotten how low RHatO numbers had been in the past.[/QUOTE]
But in [URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-07.html"]July 2018[/URL] it was down to 18,829 copies sold, rank 109.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4146730]But in [URL="http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-07.html"]July 2018[/URL] it was down to 18,829 copies sold, rank 109.[/QUOTE]
I hope we don't talk past each other.
I only wanted to say that in my opinion, these numbers (sold copies): for example
September 2017: 24,376 copies
July 2018: 18,829 copies
November 2018: 24,485 copies
are more important than these numbers (ranking):
September 2017: rank 102
July 2018: rank 109
November 2018: rank 83
because the number of sold copies is basically only dependent on the popularity of a series and often indicates if a fanbase is growing or shrinking.
The ranking, on the other hand, has more complex parameters and can be very volatile because, for example, of other titles ending/starting, annuals, mini-series', crossover-events, etc.
The ranking doesn't necessarily reflect if a series is doing good or bad.
@Sergard
I totally agree the totals sales are a far better indicator than the rankings.
Ranking works imo only if you really look which titles are lower and which are higher ranked.
I haven't forgotten my suggestion to do a Jason Todd re-read, starting with the pre-crisis stuff.
Some points to discuss beforehand:
[LIST][*]I could create a separate thread for the re-read stuff. The other thread would still be considered part of this thread. So the appreciation thread rules apply.[*]I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.
(see list below, I hope everything is correct, 'Tec is a little shorter at the end)[*]There are also guest appearances of Jason in Blue Devil, New Teen Titans and Superman Annual. We can skip or read them.[*]How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.[*]I haven't checked yet if Jason has an appearance in all Batman, 'Tec issues listed below but I can check later - and we'll probably notice soon enough beforehand if it's the case or not.
Do you guys prefer to skip issues without Jason or to read and discuss them nevertheless?[/LIST]
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[tr][td] [B][U]release [/U][/B][/td][td] [B][U]Batman [/U][/B][/td][td] [B][U]Detective Comics[/U][/B] [/td][td] [B][U]Guest Appearance[/U][/B][/td][/tr]
[tr][td] March-83 [/td][td] Batman #357 [/td][td] Detective Comics #524 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] April-83 [/td][td] Batman #358 [/td][td] Detective Comics #525 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] May-83 [/td][td] Batman #359 [/td][td] Detective Comics #526 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] June-83 [/td][td] Batman #360 [/td][td] Detective Comics #527 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] July-83 [/td][td] Batman #361 [/td][td] Detective Comics #528 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] August-83 [/td][td] Batman #362 [/td][td] Detective Comics #529 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] September-83 [/td][td] Batman #363 [/td][td] Detective Comics #530 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] October-83 [/td][td] Batman #364 [/td][td] Detective Comics #531 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] November-83 [/td][td] Batman #365 [/td][td] Detective Comics #532 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] December-83 [/td][td] Batman #366 [/td][td] Detective Comics #533 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] January-84 [/td][td] Batman #367 [/td][td] Detective Comics #534 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] February-84 [/td][td] Batman #368 [/td][td] Detective Comics #535 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] March-84 [/td][td] Batman #369 [/td][td] Detective Comics #536 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] April-84 [/td][td] Batman #370 [/td][td] Detective Comics #537 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] May-84 [/td][td] Batman #371 [/td][td] Detective Comics #538 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] June-84 [/td][td] Batman #372 [/td][td] Detective Comics #539 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] July-84 [/td][td] Batman #373 [/td][td] Detective Comics #540 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] August-84 [/td][td] Batman #374 [/td][td] Detective Comics #541 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] September-84 [/td][td] Batman #375 [/td][td] Detective Comics #542 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] October-84 [/td][td] Batman #376 [/td][td] Detective Comics #543 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] November-84 [/td][td] Batman #377 [/td][td] Detective Comics #544 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] December-84 [/td][td] Batman #378 [/td][td] Detective Comics #545 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] January-85 [/td][td] Batman #379 [/td][td] Detective Comics #546 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] February-85 [/td][td] Batman #380 [/td][td] Detective Comics #547 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] March-85 [/td][td] Batman #381 [/td][td] Detective Comics #548 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] April-85 [/td][td] Batman #382 [/td][td] Detective Comics #549 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] May-85 [/td][td] Batman #383 [/td][td] Detective Comics #550 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] June-85 [/td][td] Batman #384 [/td][td] Detective Comics #551 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] July-85 [/td][td] Batman #385 [/td][td] Detective Comics #552 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] August-85 [/td][td] Batman #386 [/td][td] Detective Comics #553 [/td][td] Superman Annual #11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] September-85 [/td][td] Batman #387 [/td][td] Detective Comics #554 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] October-85 [/td][td] Batman #388 [/td][td] Detective Comics #555 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] November-85 [/td][td] Batman #389 [/td][td] Detective Comics #556 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] December-85 [/td][td] Batman #390 [/td][td] Detective Comics #557 [/td][td] Blue Devil #19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] January-86 [/td][td] Batman #391 [/td][td] Detective Comics #558 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] February-86 [/td][td] Batman #392 [/td][td] Detective Comics #559 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] March-86 [/td][td] Batman #393 [/td][td] Detective Comics #560 [/td][td] New Teen Titans #18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] April-86 [/td][td] Batman #394 [/td][td] Detective Comics #561 [/td][td] New Teen Titans #19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] May-86 [/td][td] Batman #395 [/td][td] Detective Comics #562 [/td][td] New Teen Titans #20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] June-86 [/td][td] Batman #396 [/td][td] Detective Comics #563 [/td][td] New Teen Titans #21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] July-86 [/td][td] Batman #397 [/td][td] Detective Comics #564 [/td][td] [COLOR="#FF0000"]New Teen Titans #22: no Jason [/COLOR][/td][/tr]
[tr][td] August-86 [/td][td] Batman #398 [/td][td] Detective Comics #565 [/td][td] Batman Annual #10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td][COLOR="#FF0000"]New Teen Titans #23: no Jason[/COLOR][/td][/tr]
[tr][td] September-86 [/td][td] Batman #399 [/td][td] Detective Comics #566 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] October-86 [/td][td] Batman #400 [/td][td] Detective Comics #567* [/td][td] New Teen Titans #24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] November-86 [/td][td] Batman #401* [/td][td] Detective Comics #568* [/td][td] [COLOR="#FF0000"]New Teen Titans #25: no Jason[/COLOR] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] December-86 [/td][td] Batman #402* [/td][td] Detective Comics #569* [/td][td] New Teen titans #26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] January-87 [/td][td] Batman #403* [/td][td] Detective Comics #570* [/td][td] New Teen titans #27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] February-87 [/td][td] [/td][td] Detective Comics #571* [/td][td] New Teen titans #28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] March-87 [/td][td] [/td][td] Detective Comics #572* [/td][td] New Teen titans #29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] April-87 [/td][td] [/td][td] Detective Comics #573* [/td][td] New Teen titans #30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] May-87 [/td][td] [/td][td] Detective Comics #574* [/td][td] New Teen titans #31 [/td][/tr]
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* Officially post-crisis, but story-wise in a grey zone
Technically Batman #401, is already Post crisis, and #402 and #403 are written by Max Allan Collins and should therefore definitely included in a the post crisis read.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4147191]Technically Batman #401, is already Post crisis, and #402 and #403 are written by Max Allan Collins and should therefore definitely included in a the post crisis read.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure? I read #402 and #403 in "Batman: Second Chances" and I remember that Batman stated that he has killed in the past (in self-defense). And post-crisis Batman has never killed, or?
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4145983][img]https://i.imgur.com/TLznf7g.jpg[/img]
[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1086377042910732288[/url]
So much for my hopes Woods had left the book.[/QUOTE]
Hello! new user of this forum!
I'm kind of disappointed we are going back with the All-Caste. It's one of my least favorite addition to Jason's story.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4147196]Are you sure? I read #402 and #403 in "Batman: Second Chances" and I remember that Batman stated that he has killed in the past (in self-defense). And post-crisis Batman has never killed, or?[/QUOTE]Officially Batman #400 is the last pre crisis Batman story, and Detective Comics #567 is the first post crisis story.
But a lot of the early post crisis stories (imo all Batman issues before Year one and all the TEC issues before Year Two) are continuities wise in a wired spot, they neither really fit into the pre crisis or the post crisis continuity. They are imo kind of filler issues, they published untill they had figured out where they wanted to go with Batman post crisis. And while they have still some pre crisis Elements (like for example they used still pre crisis Catwoman in some early issues of TEC) these comics didn't continue the plot of the pre crisis issues (which tell basically an ongoing story).
[QUOTE]I could create a separate thread for the re-read stuff. The other thread would still be considered part of this thread. So the appreciation thread rules apply.
I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.
(see list below, I hope everything is correct, 'Tec is a little shorter at the end)[/QUOTE]
I'm ok with these two points.
[QUOTE]There are also guest appearances of Jason in Blue Devil, New Teen Titans and Superman Annual. We can skip or read them.[/QUOTE]
I would love to read them, but some issues can be hard to find. The annual is easy to find in paper, and the NTT has a digital copy as well. But I don't know about the Blue Devil issue: I know that here where I live that's material that hasn't been even published in a hardcover.
Also, The Cult was a mini, so I guess we have the same problem with that one. But that would be very late in the post-Crisis run, so I guess we could figure it out when we reach that point.
[QUOTE]How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.
I haven't checked yet if Jason has an appearance in all Batman, 'Tec issues listed below but I can check later - and we'll probably notice soon enough beforehand if it's the case or not.
Do you guys prefer to skip issues without Jason or to read and discuss them nevertheless?[/QUOTE]
One issue every week sounds cool. We can skip the reading when we have a RHATO week, so that the club lasts long and we always have something to discuss. I don't know about skipping issues. Maybe the ones that are flashback arcs, which I think we would have towards the end of Tec.?
[QUOTE=Sergard;4147136][LIST][*]I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.[/LIST]
[/QUOTE]There is not really much of a point doing it differently, since pre crisis a story that started in an issue of batman usually continued in the next issue of TEC, and the other way around (that changed post crisis).
[QUOTE=Sergard;4147136][LIST][*]How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.[/LIST]
[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it make more sense to read complete story arc (usually 2 to 4 issues) opposed to singe issues?
[QUOTE=Aahz;4147364]Wouldn't it make more sense to read complete story arc (usually 2 to 4 issues) opposed to singe issues?[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I don't know. I call it "re-read" but in my case it's a "first read" for many issues. I personally like to discuss one issue at a time and theorize what could happen, could have been, could have been done differently, compare pre-crisis Jason with post-crisis Jason etc.
And I still have to buy the issues digitally on readDC - 2 bucks an issue doesn't sound much a week, but paying for a whole story arc at once could maybe add up to a sum per month I don't feel comfortable with. I'm not sure about that.
At this point I just want to hear some opinions from other users so that we have a reading schedule for the start. If the majority decides later on that they want to read faster/slower/an arc at once, etc. we can easily change the schedule. That's no problem.
And thanks for all the info about pre-crisis/post-crisis and that Batman and Detective Comics were intertwined pre-crisis. I didn't know that.
[QUOTE=Moandinga;4147230]Hello! new user of this forum!
[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the forum. I hope you have fun here. :)
Uncle Red X Jason. Better watch what he teaches young Mar'i, Dick.
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/6b/56/c06b5672d13082425315eeb0b58c6837.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="https://twitter.com/fleet_red/status/1086383765390159874"]Fleet of Red[/URL]: [I]Babysitting Duty in #YoungJusticeOutsiders with #JasonTodd and baby #DamienWayne. Can't wait for the family reunion!!![/I]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOb7PoUcAItKVl.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="https://twitter.com/soosdraws/status/1086323841884930049"]soosdraws[/URL]: [I]jason and different hairstyles !! [/I]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxNk1VZWsAAe2FA.jpg[/IMG]
Best girl and best boy coming through
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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/r73srtsrs/status/1080634281817325568[/url] Twitter of artist
Solicits were leaked
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JN42FnS.jpg[/img]
Don't know where this is from, but I thought this image looked cool.
So Jason has a gang now. Guess Jason taking Wingman up on his offer is all but confirmed.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4147860]Solicits were leaked
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JN42FnS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Liking the regular cover way, way better than the varian this time. Also, not colorist listed, so I'm guessing Woods is again in the colours 8but not the cover, huh).
Sounds fun, but I suspect there is probably more in the story that just that plot with Penguin's former enemies in the business.
BTW, numbers are out in Comichrom already. RHATO #29 did 24,026, so even if we went up in the list, there was a loss of about 400 sold issues.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4147860]Solicits were leaked
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JN42FnS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Gotta say I do like Jason's look on that cover.
Speaking of art, I have seen some of the current interior art and I'm not really much of a fan.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4147860]Solicits were leaked
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JN42FnS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yooooo!
I swear I have had this idea for stories before, of Jason playing the double role of being a crime boss and his own enforcer (Red Hood). That's awesome :D
That being said, I don't wanna take a dig at Woods, his art for Jason is nice enough when he is drawing the new gruff costume, but damn, Soy would have been perfect to bring this 'sleek Mob Boss' Jason to life.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4147136]I haven't forgotten my suggestion to do a Jason Todd re-read, starting with the pre-crisis stuff.
Some points to discuss beforehand:
[LIST][*]I could create a separate thread for the re-read stuff. The other thread would still be considered part of this thread. So the appreciation thread rules apply.[*]I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.
(see list below, I hope everything is correct, 'Tec is a little shorter at the end)[*]There are also guest appearances of Jason in Blue Devil, New Teen Titans and Superman Annual. We can skip or read them.[*]How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.[*]I haven't checked yet if Jason has an appearance in all Batman, 'Tec issues listed below but I can check later - and we'll probably notice soon enough beforehand if it's the case or not.
Do you guys prefer to skip issues without Jason or to read and discuss them nevertheless?[/LIST]
[/QUOTE]
I personally prefer to keep it contained in this thread as I check in more often. Ok with alternating between Batman and Tec'. Scheduling wise I'm easy, weekly or bi-weekly is fine.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4147860]Solicits were leaked
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JN42FnS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
So he gets his hair back. And this double life thing is gonna be fun. :D
[QUOTE=Moandinga;4147230]Hello! new user of this forum![/QUOTE]
Hey, welcome! :D
Where is the new user? I cannot find their post O.o
You know, if Wingman is indeed an alternate Jason, and he starts to work with him as Red Hood for hiding Jason's vigilante persona out from the public eye, I'm probably going to start laughing and not stopping until the next century.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4148182]
You know, if Wingman is indeed an alternate Jason, and he starts to work with him as Red Hood for hiding Jason's vigilante persona out from the public eye, I'm probably going to start laughing and not stopping until the next century.[/QUOTE]
If you're gonna steal my identity, at least pick a useful one. :p