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Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4159057]Yeah, but that shouldn't come at the expense of all the hard work other creatives have put on the character. There has to be a balance.[/QUOTE]
He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. To be honest i cant find any fault with that. He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4159269]Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/[/url]
At least I think the others are talking about that discussion.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4159269]Could one of y’all drop a link? I can’t find it.[/QUOTE]
It's here. The discussion about Jason is by the second or third root reply.
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/aj87pd/leviathan_will_be_major_dc_project_from_bendis/[/URL]
Edit. ooops. Unneeded link. This is me with a lag the size of the Empire State.
[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4159057]Yeah, but that shouldn't come at the expense of all the hard work other creatives have put on the character. There has to be a balance.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, I agree. But then, Bendis isn't known by how much he sticks to the previous writers' work. So it makes sense.
[QUOTE=Mataza;4159288]He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. [B]To be honest i cant find any fault with that.[/B] He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.[/QUOTE]
I do, though. Fans usually are highly biased, have their (our) own headcanons who may end in infinite ship wars, rewriting the whole story of the character and reducing him to merely two or three character traits. Which is, unfortunately, what happens with a lot of fanfics.
And don't get me wrong: I love reading fanfics; but they often have this problem in which the characters are, well, barely themselves, and lack depth. They become, in a lot of works, a bunch of behaviour routines and gestures because that's what most of fans remember from them. Or they give characters traits they don't show because it fits a certain archetype. Case in point, Jason often smokes and swears in the fandom, when he doesn't, at all, in the comics. No only he does not swear, he doesn't speak like some uneducated punk in the comics. In fact, he's rather eloquent, and uses an speech that, for me (I'm not a native speaker) comes across as very polite, even when he does speak in a very informal way.
Which, for me again, is something I love, because as someone who is in the low side of the income range (I'm not, well, I'm not poor, but I wouldn't say I'm middle class either) I often have to deal with people who falls in the assumption that someone who doesn't have economic possibilities has to be uneducated and doesn't have an interest in culture. So Jason coming from a worse place and yet being written like he is, makes me like him more (and dislike that kind of portrayal).
Okay, before I forget it for the umpteenth time: When should the re-read start? I'd suggest at the weekend, i.e. Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. So there won't be any direct overlaps with new releases.
We could already start this week - or some time later. If I recall correctly, we are only four, five people doing the re-read. So it should be doable that we find a time everyone is okay with.
And now some fanarts I found on twitter:
[URL="https://twitter.com/kumoriix/status/1088332074669338624"]@kumoriix[/URL] [I]started as a warmup but then turned to semi-realism and into a full piece just got into DC, especially jason todd (obviously)[/I]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxqIQFHVAAARM8N.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="https://twitter.com/_koko_nutt_/status/1088151874312654848"]@_koko_nutt_[/URL] [I]I drew Jason Todd as robin because he’s my legit fave tho[/I]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxnkWwuXQAI-rzj.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="http://lightningstrikes-art.tumblr.com/tagged/jason%20todd"]lightning strikes[/URL] - an artist I can recommend in general, even if the last Jason artwork is from September, but there is a lot of cute/cool older stuff with Jason and/or the batfam; [URL="http://lightningstrikes-art.tumblr.com/post/158545425054"]for example[/URL]:
[IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/41c48e6abb03dafdaab687abf6011b43/tumblr_on0f9xfZtg1qllu80o1_1280.jpg[/IMG]
That fanart really makes me smile. Robins are like a box of abandoned kittens. You don't just take out the one you like the most and leave the rest behind. You have to take them all.
Saturday sounds good for me: half a week to any release, and we have the previews either by friday or by monday, and they usually have their own threads. So that way we'll always have something to discuss on board.
[URL="https://twitter.com/Vorimar_raaaaan/status/1088472527205064704"] @Vorimar_raaaaan[/URL]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxsHfckUYAIb04M.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxsHfckUYAAYiL4.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="https://twitter.com/RymSlim/status/1086242997665185794"]@RymSlim[/URL]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxMcCn3WwAAGXBY.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Sergard;4159479]Okay, before I forget it for the umpteenth time: When should the re-read start? I'd suggest at the weekend, i.e. Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. So there won't be any direct overlaps with new releases.
We could already start this week - or some time later. If I recall correctly, we are only four, five people doing the re-read. So it should be doable that we find a time everyone is okay with.[/QUOTE]
Saturday's good for me too. We can start anytime.
[QUOTE=Mataza;4159288]He seems to trust the fanbase more than the writers. [B]To be honest i cant find any fault with that.[/B] He can always read the books or give the other writers a call if needed, so following them on twitter seems rather pointless.
Not that i want to defend Bendis, just saying, it makes sense that he would care more about what Dark_Tzitzimine has to say about Jason than what Tynion does.[/QUOTE]
Actually I can find fault with that because frankly fans are an extremely biased lot with, at times, some really strange notions and a great many of them are fans of the whole Jason as a one dimensional psychotic killing machine. In all honesty I'd much rather Bendis take a more balanced approach and temper his "fan views" of the character with some coming from people who have actually written Jason but I doubt very seriously that will happen. That being said if Bendis gets his hands on the character or if, God forbid, he should take over writing him on a more regular basis at some point I will simply stop reading. I had to drop his [I]Superman[/I] because of how terrible some of the characterizations were and how massively decompressed the story was so I don't have much good to say about Bendis's actual skills as a writer. I don't really trust him to do right by the character at all.
[QUOTE=JasonTodd428;4160905]Actually I can find fault with that because frankly fans are an extremely biased lot with, at times, some really strange notions and a great many of them [B]are fans of the whole Jason as a one dimensional psychotic killing machine.[/B] In all honesty I'd much rather Bendis take a more balanced approach and temper his "fan views" of the character with some coming from people who have actually written Jason but I doubt very seriously that will happen. That being said if Bendis gets his hands on the character or if, God forbid, he should take over writing him on a more regular basis at some point I will simply stop reading. I had to drop his [I]Superman[/I] because of how terrible some of the characterizations were and how massively decompressed the story was so I don't have much good to say about Bendis's actual skills as a writer. I don't really trust him to do right by the character at all.[/QUOTE]
But that are not Jason Todd fans. That are Dick Grayson fans (or to a lesser extent Bruce Wayne fans) who want Jason to be part of Dick's rogue gallery.
I at least hope that Bendis can distinguish the Jason Todd fanbase from people who just want to use Jason so that their favorite hero can "shine brighter".
Even Jason's fans can be very biased though, even ones whose fics I like to read. I had to unfollow a lot of tumblr blogs because of all the overreaction to Rebirth RHATO. A few examples, Jason/Artemis hate, Roy falling off the bandwagon (which wasn't Lobdell's doing he just knew it was gonna happen in Titans, but they like to blame him on everything), Willis being "a good dad" etc etc... It's funny how much people ramble about flat writing and cardboard characters but actually miss the three-dimensional part when it's presented to them.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and whatever plans Bendis may have for the character (should be have any) actually work out for us
[QUOTE=Sergard;4160934]But that are not Jason Todd fans. That are Dick Grayson fans (or to a lesser extent Bruce Wayne fans) who want Jason to be part of Dick's rogue gallery.
I at least hope that Bendis can distinguish the Jason Todd fanbase from people who just want to use Jason so that their favorite hero can "shine brighter".[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree with you there. There are Jason Todd fans out there that prefer him as a villain rather than as even an anti-hero and it's not always because they want him in Dick's rogue's gallery or because they are fans of Dick Grayson. They oftentimes want Jason to be a thorn in Bruce's side as well.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4160973]Maybe we’ll get lucky and whatever plans Bendis may have for the character (should be have any) actually work out for us[/QUOTE]
When was the last time that Bendis influenced positively any character he wrote?