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[QUOTE=okiedokiewo;4165654]This face is better than how he usually draws him. I hope it continues.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4165721]Yeah I hope it's an intentional change too. Jason actually looks his age here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sergard;4165747]Did Woods' style change a little bit or is it just the hair that makes Jason look his age?
I like Jason's facial expression. He looks so calm and relaxed, maybe a little tired.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I'm guessing it's more a thing that comes from the circumstances and mood he is in, rather than Woods' art style; but there is definitely a softer touch in the style.
It helps, as well, that Jason is fully embracing the [URL="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero"]Byronic Hero[/URL] nature he already had. So far, he just lacks the romantic (as in, love; not the movement) note.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4165781]
It helps, as well, that Jason is fully embracing the [URL="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero"]Byronic Hero[/URL] nature he already had. So far, he just lacks the romantic (as in, love; not the movement) note.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a lot of my favorite characters are Byronic Heroes. Seto Kaiba from Yu-Gi-Oh!, Rika from Digimon Tamers (although my favorite Digimon character is still Ken from season 2), Vegeta from DBZ, Sesshomaru from Inu Yasha and Zuko from Avatar the last airbender are all on the list of examples.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4165881]Seems like a lot of my favorite characters are Byronic Heroes. Seto Kaiba from Yu-Gi-Oh!, Rika from Digimon Tamers (although my favorite Digimon character is still Ken from season 2), Vegeta from DBZ, Sesshomaru from Inu Yasha and Zuko from Avatar the last airbender are all on the list of examples.[/QUOTE]
The lists of the characters are open to discussion, but the description of the trope is fine, as far as I've seem. It lacks the character being either an aristocrat, someone from an old rich fortune or a self-made upper member of society (who may or may not have fallen in misfortune or been banished or disowned). But overal, it's spot on, I would say.
They help in createing very entertaining stories. It's a popular kind of character, and when it's done good, it can give really good stories (and really boring melodrama when not). I love that trope too, that's why one of the MCs of the novella (not the fanfic) I'm writing is a bit of a byronic hero (he's also the narrator's voice: it's a lot of fun). But they need some bright in them too, something that makes the reader hope for something better in all the conflict that surround them, even if it's a tiny bit. Otherwise, you fall into such an angst feast that, unless you love that very teeny view of the world that romantices suffering, it tends to tire the reader. I hope I do well with my attempt.
Or, well, that's my opinion, how I see it.
Off topic up to eleven, but I love discussing these matters. Sorry, guys.
Edit: cute, cute chibis :3
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I think that's one of the coolest hair for Jason that I've seen. Both official art and fanart.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4165531]Teen Titans Annual #1 preview: [url]https://www.cbr.com/teen-titans-annual-1-preview/[/url]
Jason is in it. And Roy's death is mentioned.[/QUOTE]
Just some observations so far:
[i]First page[/i]
Jason mentions later (third page) Roy's death and that Damian is too late, Bruce already told him. So the scene with Jason in TT #22 takes place before RHatO #27 but after RHatO #26 because Jason already has his new costume.
TT Annual #1 starts with Jason getting out of an old car that suspiciously looks like the old pickup truck from RHatO #30. AND Jason is in Texas (returning from Mexico?). So I don't think it's to far-fetched to assume that the Annual takes place between RH:O #30/#31 and the new story arc starting in #32.
So the big question that immediately comes to mind is: Where the hell is Dog? Obviously the TT creative team knows enough to A) include the truck and B) Jason is wearing the red trucker hat (which he has started wearing in #28 after hearing in #27 that Roy is dead). So they probably know about Dog too, or?
I'm a little surprised that Damian still considers himself an only child. At least Dick should have a brother status, or did he lose Damian's love and respect in Justice League: No Justice, like Bruce did?
And what does "And they all seem to end up strangely fascinated with me." even mean. I haven't read enough about Damian to really know his character but I remember that Damian challenged the other three ex-boy wonders, proclaiming that he would beat them in a discipline that they considered their strong point and then he would take a victory prize from their personal stuff. Or? Seems like the fascination goes the other way around too.
[I]second page[/I]
Okay, now I'm nitpicky but I would have prefered it if the colors in the "Robin vs. Robin" were reversed so that the red "Robin" is above Jason's head.
But I like that there is a glimpse of Jason's and Damian's costume underneath their street clothes.
I wonder what Jason is drinking. Could be alcohol. On the other hand beer bottles are normally brown, or? And I don't like the idea of Jason drinking after RHatO stated that Jason is a lightweight. And Roy is dead. So starting to drink alcohol after a friend with a drinking problem died is a little ... I don't know.
Jason looks very tired. That rather explains why he didn't notice Damian approaching.
It's a little strange to see Damian wearing a red hoodie and sitting next to Red Hood who only wears a red trucker hat. I don't know if there is a meaning behind that. But thinking about it makes my head hurt.
That's not the bar from Wonder Woman #52 where Artemis is searching for somebody (for a "he"). That bar is located in California. I checked. (Just in case anybody wonders like I did. There are A LOT of bar fights in DC comics.)
[I]third page[/I]
Jason mentions for the first time that there is a chance that he won't stay as passive about Roy's death in Sanctuary as it looked like in RHatO #27. Although people already speculated back then that Jason could only be acting so calm in front of Bruce. And he probably was in the denial phase that lasted the whole Underlife arc because Jason was distracted by the case.
There are three darts on the board and Jason takes the two yellow darts, leaving the green one behind. I interpret that as Jason inviting Damian to a game of darts. In this panel he probably still thinks that Damian wants to talk about Roy like Kate did.
[i]fourth page[/i]
I like how the artist subtly delivers the message that Jason is a strong opponent even if he looks exhausted. He perfectly throws the first dart with his left hand, relaxed posture, maybe not even really looking at the board. The second dart is thrown with the right hand. But I think it was already known that he's ambidextrous. At least when it comes to weapons.
(I'm [I]so[/I] close to making a thigh joke.)
[i]fifth page[/i]
In Jason's defense: I'm pretty sure that he didn't expect Damian to attack him.
That dart wound is going to hurt like a b*tch.
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I think a fight between Jason and Damain should basically go like this:
[video=youtube;3c0I8kx0mNo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c0I8kx0mNo[/video]
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I figure Jason’s change in stance is just a result of him being frustrated with the big 3/Bruce’s lack of progress.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4166254]Just some observations so far:
[i]First page[/i]
Jason mentions later (third page) Roy's death and that Damian is too late, Bruce already told him. So the scene with Jason in TT #22 takes place before RHatO #27 but after RHatO #26 because Jason already has his new costume.
[B]TT Annual #1 starts with Jason getting out of an old car that suspiciously looks like the old pickup truck from RHatO #30. AND Jason is in Texas (returning from Mexico?). So I don't think it's to far-fetched to assume that the Annual takes place between RH:O #30/#31 and the new story arc starting in #32.[/B]
So the big question that immediately comes to mind is: Where the hell is Dog? Obviously the TT creative team knows enough to A) include the truck and B) Jason is wearing the red trucker hat (which he has started wearing in #28 after hearing in #27 that Roy is dead). So they probably know about Dog too, or?
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I think this issue may be before #30 too, and the car may be different. Besides, I don't think the writer in TT was aware of the Dog at the time this issue was scripted. It surprises me that he places Jason in Texas, so there may be a certain degree of communication between both writers. But I doubt to the point of mentioning "and then Jason finds a dog in Mexico". There is the possibility, too that Dog's owner is either Bunker or Solitary. I think the important details to note here about Jason is that he's ragged and seems to be worn out, and that, as @Dark_T noted, he seems a bit on edge because Roy's death (Lobdell pointed towards Jason feeling a bit unsatisfied with solving the case in #30, I think. It was a slightly ambiguous, short comment, but I thought he may be feeling a bit of a vacuum because of it).
As for Damian, I don't know. Maybe he's just being a little overdramatic (it runs in the family). Dicks is a bit more like a father than a brother, I would say. He never has shown that he considered neither of the other adopted / ward kids his family, either. And the other part about them being fascinated with him, that may be his ego speaking, thinking that they attack him because he's just that especial (when he's the one that tends to pick on others, as far as I've seen), I don't know.
And yeah, definitely, he wasn't expecting Damian to attack him. He seemed suspicious at some point (like he couldn't figure out what Damian wanted for him and started to run scenarios in his head), but that could be just the art.
Edit: XDDDDDD (after watching @Aahz video). Unfortunately, iirc, canon so far says otherwise, as unrealistic as it may be.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4166336]
As for Damian, I don't know. Maybe he's just being a little overdramatic (it runs in the family). Dicks is a bit more like a father than a brother, I would say. He never has shown that he considered neither of the other adopted / ward kids his family, either. And the other part about them being fascinated with him, that may be his ego speaking, thinking that they attack him because he's just that especial (when he's the one that tends to pick on others, as far as I've seen), I don't know.
And yeah, definitely, he wasn't expecting Damian to attack him. He seemed suspicious at some point (like he couldn't figure out what Damian wanted for him and started to run scenarios in his head), but that could be just the art.
Edit: XDDDDDD (after watching @Aahz video). Unfortunately, iirc, canon so far says otherwise, as unrealistic as it may be.[/QUOTE]
Damian consider jason and tim his brothers it the reason he doesn't want to believe jason could betray him like this
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[QUOTE=redmax99;4166469]Damian consider jason and tim his brothers it the reason he doesn't want to believe jason could betray him like this[/QUOTE]
Where? As far as I've read, he never has stated this. Not for those two. I'm curious.
I mean it. I've read Damian partially, mostly when he shows up in other books, or pre-FP (and post in the main batbooks; but not his books).
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In the last Teen Titans issue it’s hevaily implied Damian had some ulterior motive for working with Jason (a positive one). Given the context of the scene, it seems reasonable to assume Jason is more important to him than he’s willing to admit.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4166506]Where? As far as I've read, he never has stated this. Not for those two. I'm curious.
I mean it. I've read Damian partially, mostly when he shows up in other books, or pre-FP (and post in the main batbooks; but not his books).[/QUOTE]
Outside of Dick and Steph (Pre-Flashpoint only), Damian isn't very close to any of the Robins or the rest of the batfamily. I always thought that his relationship with Jason in the current TT was mostly proffesional because of Jason knowledge of the criminal underworld
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[QUOTE=TheCape;4166523]Outside of Dick and Steph (Pre-Flashpoint only), Damian isn't very close to any of the Robins or the rest of the batfamily. I always thought that his relationship with Jason in the current TT was mostly proffesional because of Jason knowledge of the criminal underworld[/QUOTE]
That was my impression too. But then, the most Damian-centered book I've read is Super Sons, and not the whole book (yet), and some of the Tomasi Batman run. That's why I was asking.
[QUOTE=Arsenal;4166520]In the last Teen Titans issue it’s hevaily implied Damian had some ulterior motive for working with Jason (a positive one). Given the context of the scene, it seems reasonable to assume Jason is more important to him than he’s willing to admit.[/QUOTE]
I've read the last TT issue (curiosity won) and honestly, I didn't feel like he considered Jason more than an ally and another adult that has betrayed him. But then again, I don't know the character that well. He went to Jason because he could understand his motivations and ways, and because he's feeling supportless, is my guess. I don't see him bonding with Jason for a familial bond, but maybe I'm wrong and he says something in the annual this week.
