Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4721905]Jason facepalming like no one is a classic at this point.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Iconic facepalm:

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That's beautiful but kinda reminds me of Mortal Kombat!

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[QUOTE=hova4life;4722586]That's beautiful but kinda reminds me of Mortal Kombat![/QUOTE]

Ultimately that is the biggest problem of Woods' design, unless is colored, the first thing that brings to mind is MK ninjas. Lacks on its own of anything that really brings up to mind Jason or Red Hood. Having the Red Bat would've helped immensely with that, but they had to go with that dumb emblem that is meaningless.

Woods’ proposed Prince of Gotham design reminds me of Tony Stark.

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I wonder when or if Alfred's fate will be mentioned in RH:O.




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[QUOTE=Sergard;4722932]I wonder when or if Alfred's fate will be mentioned in RH:O.[/QUOTE]
You can be sure someone will get a bullet in them for it.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4722939]You can be sure someone will get a bullet in them for it.[/QUOTE]

Like who?
I just hope that Artemis and Bizarro will be back (to normal) when Jason gets the news.
He'll need the emotional support.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4722960]Like who?
I just hope that Artemis and Bizarro will be back (to normal) when Jason gets the news.
He'll need the emotional support.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Bruce for letting things get to that point, and granddaddy Wayne himself for doing it.

Who do you think is gonna tell him? Bruce again?

[QUOTE=Sergard;4722960]Like who?
I just hope that Artemis and Bizarro will be back (to normal) when Jason gets the news.
He'll need the emotional support.[/QUOTE]

Barbara, maybe? Or Kate. I can see Babs being the one to deliver the news to both Dick and Jason (once Dick recovers his memories, which I'm guessing could finally happen towards the middle or end of next year summer), and then she's another of the lead characters in the 3 Jokers story; so maybe someone could suggest her.

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4723011]Who do you think is gonna tell him? Bruce again?[/QUOTE]

Babs, maybe?

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4723011]Who do you think is gonna tell him? Bruce again?[/QUOTE]

Hard to tell.
My guess is Kate since she tried to comfort Jason about Roy's death too.
Who even already knows about Alfred?

I have just read the Batman/Superman Annual #1 from March 2014 and I liked it a lot.
Batman, Red Hood and Batgirl teaming up with Superman, Steel and Supergirl is an amazing combo.
And Red Hood fighting alongside Jochi, the son of Mongul, felt like an indirect sequel to "For the Man Who Has Everything" - Superman Annual #11 (1985).
I also liked the scenes with Jason and Kara. They have an interesting dynamic together.

Does anyone know if Jason has another appearance in Batman/Superman?
I'm sad that Jochi died at the end of the annual. I would have liked to see more stories with him and Jason.


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[QUOTE=Sergard;4724044]I have just read the Batman/Superman Annual #1 from March 2014 and I liked it a lot.
Batman, Red Hood and Batgirl teaming up with Superman, Steel and Supergirl is an amazing combo.
And Red Hood fighting alongside Jochi, the son of Mongul, felt like an indirect sequel to "For the Man Who Has Everything" - Superman Annual #11 (1985).
I also liked the scenes with Jason and Kara. They have an interesting dynamic together.

Does anyone know if Jason has another appearance in Batman/Superman?
I'm sad that Jochi died at the end of the annual. I would have liked to see more stories with him and Jason.


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Yeah, it's the Savage Dawn arc when Superman lost his powers, alongside Batgirl and Grayson.
No... Wait... the arc name is Truth Hurts. Savage Dawn is after that, in Superman... or Action Comics. I forgot.
There was Truth, Before Truth, Truth Hurts, Lies, and Savage Dawn... in all Superman books, and with titles like that I forgot which is which.
He appeared as a surprise reveal in the last panel of #26 and continue to #27

No idea. I remember reading it, it's the reason why I liked the idea of Kara teaming with Jason: they had chemistry there. But no idea if there's anything more beyond that little story.

Edit: ah, I was a bit too late.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4724060]Yeah, it's the Savage Dawn arc when Superman lost his powers, alongside Batgirl and Grayson.
No... Wait... the arc name is Truth Hurts. Savage Dawn is after that, in Superman... or Action Comics. I forgot.
There was Truth, Before Truth, Truth Hurts, Lies, and Savage Dawn... in all Superman books, and with titles like that I forgot which is which.
He appeared as a surprise reveal in the last panel of #26 and continue to #27[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the information.
I think I actually remember the story - or at least snippets.
Jason is wearing his Red Hood/Arsenal design.
But I can't really recall the details except that Scandal Savage was involved/on his way.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4724064]No idea. I remember reading it, it's the reason why I liked the idea of Kara teaming with Jason: they had chemistry there. But no idea if there's anything more beyond that little story.

Edit: ah, I was a bit too late.[/QUOTE]

In canon, don't know. For shippers? I've ran into several fanfics with Jason and Kara. Not too many, but some. Most likely inspired by it.

Edit: Just took a look at it. Very "interesting" art.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4724160]In canon, don't know. For shippers? I've ran into several fanfics with Jason and Kara. Not too many, but some. Most likely inspired by it.[/QUOTE]

I don't think chemistry immediately means romance.
I feel like Jason and Kara could be good friends.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4724044]I also liked the scenes with Jason and Kara. They have an interesting dynamic together.[/QUOTE]There was also a guest appearance of Jason in Supergirl shortly after this.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4723079]Hard to tell.
My guess is Kate since she tried to comfort Jason about Roy's death too.[/QUOTE]
he and Kate are not particularly close.

I think the ones on best terms with him are probably Tim, Barbara and Duke, the relationship with Bruce and Damian is probably not that great at the moment, and he hadn't had that much interaction with Kate, Helena and Cassandra sofar, and Dick is still Ric.

[QUOTE=Aahz;4724165]There was also a guest appearance of Jason in Supergirl shortly after this.[/QUOTE]

There's also this little scene from Gotham City Garage:

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Full numbers tomorrow, but the Acetate gimmick helped issue 40 to get into the top 100.

91. RED HOOD OUTLAW #40 ACETATE (DC COMICS)

[QUOTE=Sergard;4724162]I don't think chemistry immediately means romance.
I feel like Jason and Kara could be good friends.[/QUOTE]

It could go both ways for me, either friendship or romance, I wouldn't mind one over the other. They just worked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4724174]he and Kate are not particularly close.

I think the ones on best terms with him are probably Tim, Barbara and Duke, the relationship with Bruce and Damian is probably not that great at the moment, and he hadn't had that much interaction with Kate, Helena and Cassandra sofar, and Dick is still Ric.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, Jason doesn't have a close relationship with any of the other batfamily members. Barbara, and Tim if people don't mind that they can work together fine despite Jason having a troubling relationship with him (I don't, these are comics; but some people do). Those two are the closest outside Bruce and Alfred. I think Tim is crossed out of this, because I don't think they're going to use him: he's supposedly somewhere else outside the main universe/dimension/whatever. I still have a hard time believing they used him in Batman (but apparently, this happens before YJ. Or something). And not even Babs or Tim have that much of a closer relationship, but they sure have more history with him than Dick, Damian, Kate or Steph. Edit: or Cass.

Being cut from the original Robin because editorial issues, then dead years and years, then an antagonist, et cetera, makes that to a character.

At the very least, I wouldn't mind seeing them as friends. Obviously Kara wouldn't be for Jason "working" for Lex and whatnot, but looking out for misfit kids that believe they want to be villains and making sure they don't get in over their heads? Yeah.

I have just started to read "Red Hood & the Outlaws" and I must say it is good! You feel immediately the difference among an old school writer like Lobdell and the "new school writers", who stretch the story in too many issue. The story goes right to the point, concentrating all the dialogues in the minimum necessary number of panels and avoiding the superfluous dialogues. The only critique I can do is: I would prefer if Lobdell had use other characters of the Bat-family, like Huntress, Spoiler, Orphan (if they are available) instead of Bizzarro and Artemis, because I prefer stories more detective focused for the Gotham titles, but it is only a personal taste.

[QUOTE=Gotham citizen;4724299]I have just started to read "Red Hood & the Outlaws" and I must say it is good! You feel immediately the difference among an old school writer like Lobdell and the "new school writers", who stretch the story in too many issue. The story goes right to the point, concentrating all the dialogues in the minimum necessary number of panels and avoiding the superfluous ones. The only critique I can do is: I would prefer if Lobdell had use other characters of the Bat-family, like Huntress, Spoiler, Orphan (if they are available) instead of Bizzarro and Artemis, because I prefer stories more detective focused for the Gotham titles, but it is only a personal taste.[/QUOTE]

Outlaws isn't so much "detective" based as it is adventure based.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4724311]Outlaws isn't so much "detective" based as it is adventure based.[/QUOTE]

And I think we can say that it's marginally a batbook half the time.
Glad you're enjoying it, [B]@Gotham citizem[/B]. Welcome to our small corner of the boards :).

I'd actually like some guest appearances of Huntress, Cass and Steph (without Tim).
But I don't think they would work as a standard cast for RHatO.
Huntress main team are the Birds of Prey. Steph is heavily associated with Tim, and Cass was part of the Gotham Knights and is currently part of the Outsiders.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4724251]At the very least, I wouldn't mind seeing them as friends. Obviously Kara wouldn't be for Jason "working" for Lex and whatnot, but looking out for misfit kids that believe they want to be villains and making sure they don't get in over their heads? Yeah.[/QUOTE]Kara is at the moment anyway one of the Infected ...

[QUOTE=Aahz;4724403]Kara is at the moment anyway one of the Infected ...[/QUOTE]

I totally forgot about the Infected storyline - although there was even an advertisement for it in the last RH:O issue.
I'm surprised how easy it is to completely ignore the main part of the Year of the Villain event or anything connected to the Batman Who Laughs.
I don't mean that YotV or the BWL are bad concepts. YotV actually looks interesting. But I'm glad that RHatO isn't interrupted by tie-ins like New52 RHatO or Red Hood/Arsenal.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4724449]I totally forgot about the Infected storyline - although there was even an advertisement for it in the last RH:O issue.
I'm surprised how easy it is to completely ignore the main part of the Year of the Villain event or anything connected to the Batman Who Laughs.
I don't mean that YotV or the BWL are bad concepts. YotV actually looks interesting. But I'm glad that RHatO isn't interrupted by tie-ins like New52 RHatO or Red Hood/Arsenal.[/QUOTE]

Well, this time around, it is happening, but marginally so far.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4724449]I totally forgot about the Infected storyline - although there was even an advertisement for it in the last RH:O issue.
I'm surprised how easy it is to completely ignore the main part of the Year of the Villain event or anything connected to the Batman Who Laughs.
I don't mean that YotV or the BWL are bad concepts. YotV actually looks interesting. But I'm glad that RHatO isn't interrupted by tie-ins like New52 RHatO or Red Hood/Arsenal.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. It's why I'm not fond of all those events every few months.

91. RED HOOD OUTLAW #40 (DC) - 21,864 [101]
52. RED HOOD OUTLAW VOL 02 PRINCE OF GOTHAM (DC) - 1,172 [102]
460. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS VOL 01 REDEMPTION (DC) - 224 [1048]

I'm surprised that Vol 1 of the N52 run cracked the top 500. Other than that, the expected boost from the Acetate gimmick.

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4724394]I'd actually like some guest appearances of Huntress, Cass and Steph (without Tim).
But I don't think they would work as a standard cast for RHatO.
Huntress main team are the Birds of Prey. Steph is heavily associated with Tim, and Cass was part of the Gotham Knights and is currently part of the Outsiders.[/QUOTE]

I see, they weren't available.
Anyway I named those characters because I thought it was a team of characters trained by Batman, but that they don't agree with his methods, because they think they are in a war and a war can be won only by the less scrupulous army. So I thought to Huntress, Orphan or Spoiler (if I remember well Batman said one of the two was too violent) and also Azrael (even if I don't know what happened to him) could be a good roster for this kind of title. In this way the title would have a very strong identity and the writers could have create some interesting stories, emphasizing the divergences among the Outlaws and Batman & Co (Nightwing, Batgirl…) with some crossover and/or some apparition of Batman & Co like guest star. I don't want say the book is without identity or the roster isn't good, because I read only the first ten issue, but this is what I thought the book was and I think it might be a good idea for a title.

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