Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

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[I]The many faces/expressions of Jason Todd[/I]

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[QUOTE=Kalethas31;4541184]Curran Walters is 21 years old. can play jason in a couple of years as a red hood[/QUOTE]


But he would be so smll, he would need a body double lol

HE has to be recast-ed as a larger man after he dies, For reference, he is currently the height of Tim drake in the comic, now imagine that putting on the batman suit
I kinda like it though, real life attributes can be ignored anymore in the comcis like size, age and time

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[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4542218]But he would be so smll, he would need a body double lol

HE has to be recast-ed as a larger man after he dies, For reference, he is currently the height of Tim drake in the comic, now imagine that putting on the batman suit
I kinda like it though, real life attributes can be ignored anymore in the comcis like size, age and time[/QUOTE]

Mmmm. I think that Jason as Red Hood doesn't need to be big, he needs to instil fear. You can do that when you're an average sized teenager too, I think, with the proper attitude and pose Same for Bruce, really: you don't need a really big guy, you need a guy who can put fear in the criminals in a rather imposing suit. Tall, if possible, but the rest of the ideal picture can be achieved with body armour.

Recasting a character just because it doesn't fit the art in a comic is, in my humble opinion, not advised and I think it will be unlikely at this point. People usually only recast in two cases, as far as I've seen: when a minor character gets a bigger role in a story (like being promoted from extra or very supporting to a main role or a co-starring) or when the actor is not available (for whatever reason). Ah, or when they ask for too much, that, too.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4542328]Mmmm. I think that Jason as Red Hood doesn't need to be big, he needs to instil fear. You can do that when you're an average sized teenager too, I think, with the proper attitude and pose Same for Bruce, really: you don't need a really big guy, you need a guy who can put fear in the criminals in a rather imposing suit. Tall, if possible, but the rest of the ideal picture can be achieved with body armour.

Recasting a character just because it doesn't fit the art in a comic is, in my humble opinion, not advised and I think it will be unlikely at this point. People usually only recast in two cases, as far as I've seen: when a minor character gets a bigger role in a story (like being promoted from extra or very supporting to a main role or a co-starring) or when the actor is not available (for whatever reason). Ah, or when they ask for too much, that, too.[/QUOTE]

Gotham did it for the last episode so the actress who played cat woman could properly fit the role
It’s not an issue for the 21 year old actor playing beast boy, becuase his character hasn’t aged in since NTT, but Jason’s transformation into red hood is important, it’s mental it’s physical

Worse comes to worst they can always get a bigger stunt double when he’s fully suited up than play with how the scenes are shoot to make him look bigger than he actually is when he’s not.

[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4542402]Gotham did it for the last episode so the actress who played cat woman could properly fit the role
It’s not an issue for the 21 year old actor playing beast boy, becuase his character hasn’t aged in since NTT, but Jason’s transformation into red hood is important, it’s mental it’s physical[/QUOTE]

Ah, iirc, Gotham recasted Poison Ivy in the earlier seasons too, but they came up with a reason for them to do so: they aged her up like 10 years or more for plot reasons (or something. Let's be honest: they wanted a sensual Ivy, not a child. So they magically aged her up and made her "blossom").

I don't know. Maybe they'll recast, but I don't see them doing that after at least two seasons with the same actor in a very visible role, and when he's going to be out of the picture for a year and half, probably not more than two years. I could see them going for a recast if they have a timeskip of like 5 years, though. But Jason is 19 in the series already, if I'm not mistaken, so I wouldn't expect a lot of changes: it just isn't very realistic.

I don't know, just my opinion.

I disagree in that the changes were so physical. It depends on the artist a lot, but Jason wasn't small as Robin in the comics. For a 12-15 years older, he was rather muscular and definitely not short in the old comics, as far as I recall; and in the post-Crisis cont, the next time we saw him, in Under the Hood, almost 5 years had passed (so Jason was an adult already. EDIT: but then he was MASSIVE when he was drawn by Lee. Because that way a villain could be more menacing). He was small in the animated movie though, which is why people tend to think he was a small Robin. And the new comics are drawing him average sized for a Robin (ha ha, Robin sized). The actor we have is not big, but hey, what can we do? It's what we got and he did a fine work for this version of Jason. I can deal with it,he can look very mean and cruel, apparently. They could go that way with his Red Hood.

Edit: ah, true. They could do that with the stunt actor too, @Arse.

(I don't know, maybe they would, but I'm going to need them to do the change in the cast the right way for me to not distract me)

EDIT: so they changed Ivy's actress a third time. Ok, I stand corrected. At least, in Gotham, they seem to recast characters quite a lot.

Good time to bring up that at least in one official source, Jason was underweight and short for his age at his time of death

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Another fanart by the artist.

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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4542847]Good time to bring up that at least in one official source, Jason was underweight and short for his age at his time of death[/QUOTE]Batman files is at best semi official ..., and these stats make no sense.

[URL="https://twitter.com/Mitografia/status/1167817860632068096"]Kenneth Rocafort[/URl] (please follow the link for the video because I have no idea how to embed Twitter videos in a forum post)

[I]Happy weekend! Here is a small pick of what I am doing right now. Jason Todd aka: RED HOOD. I’m working on my last issue run on Red Hood Outlaw (issue number 39). #mitografia #kennethrocafort #redhood #redhoodandtheoutlaws #jasontodd #robin #batman #dccomics #dcuniverse[/I]

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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4542847]Good time to bring up that at least in one official source, Jason was underweight and short for his age at his time of death

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Huh.
Ok, I was wrong.
That's definitely small for a 15yo. He would be even smaller than I was, and I'm (always has beem) short for a woman. I teach kids of 9 years (well, mostly, it's 10y olders. But I had two this summer, for example) who are already taller than me (I'm 4'9). I guess the pit did fixed that.

Next time I'll try to check my facts beforehand.
Thanks for the info \o/.

Edit: I love those fanarts. Especially the ones about the creepy cat. And I don't think one can embe twitter videos, or if it's possible, I couldn't find how either.

But there are also sources that list him at 5'0'', 5'2'' and 5'4'' (I would go with 5'4'' as the "most official" one, since that is from an actual comic and not some guide book).

4'6'' would be really small, that around the height Damian is typically drawn, Jason was typically drawn taller then that. In Death in the Family he his he is much closer to what Tim is usually drawn like. And even in the comics it self there was never made a reference about Jason being particularly short (unlike it is done with Tim or Damian).

[QUOTE=Aahz;4542954]But there are also sources that list him at 5'0'', 5'2'' and 5'4'' (I would go with 5'4'' as the "most official" one, since that is from an actual comic and not some guide book).

4'6'' would be really small, that around the height Damian is typically drawn, Jason was typically drawn taller then that. In Death in the Family he his he is much closer to what Tim is usually drawn like. And even in the comics it self there was never made a reference about Jason being particularly short (unlike it is done with Tim or Damian).[/QUOTE]

Well, it definitely looked like he was around the 5'2 mark for me, or even the 5'4 in some stories (I'm thinking about pre-COIE, circus-Jason looked pretty tall for a kid of his age).

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4542409]Worse comes to worst they can always get a bigger stunt double when he’s fully suited up than play with how the scenes are shoot to make him look bigger than he actually is when he’s not.[/QUOTE]

Lol so like how Tim is 5’7 some issues and 6’1 at the turn of a page

Here this covers most sources for Jason Height as Robin.
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https://flyingnightwingwing.tumblr.com/post/187255913616/how-exactly-tall-is-robinjason[/URL]

With exception of the pre crisis s profile.

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[QUOTE=Aahz;4542986]Here this covers most sources for Jason Height as Robin.
[URL="https://flyingnightwingwing.tumblr.com/post/187255913616/how-exactly-tall-is-robinjason"]
https://flyingnightwingwing.tumblr.com/post/187255913616/how-exactly-tall-is-robinjason[/URL]

With exception of the pre crisis s profile.
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The author of the tumblr post isn't the only one that likes the "the shortest becomes the tallest" idea.
I'm enjoying it too - especially since it breaks with the comic stereotype that the oldest son is the tallest, the second oldest is the second tallest, etc.
That's not how biology works.

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Since we know Lobdell is trying to get the Outlaw League up and running for atleast an arc, I wonder if any of Jason’s new students will end up on the team.

Also, found it kind of interesting that comiXology has issue 36 listed as the last Red Hood: Outlaw title with the 3rd annual, 37 & 38 returning to the RHATO title. Curious to see if Generation Outlaw will be listed as RHATO vol. 5 or RHO vol. 3

Wonder if issues 37 to 4_

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4543033]Since we know Lobdell is trying to get the Outlaw League up and running for atleast an arc, I wonder if any of Jason’s new students will end up on the team.

Also, found it kind of interesting that comiXology has issue 36 listed as the last Red Hood: Outlaw title with the 3rd annual, 37 & 38 returning to the RHATO title. Curious to see if Generation Outlaw will be listed as RHATO vol. 5 or RHO vol. 3

Wonder if issues 37 to 4_[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing they could try to relaunch this teen team as a stand alone book of some sort at some point, aimed to teenagers or young adults, maybe with some other characters in the same age gap (like Sideways and Jaime's Blue Beetle). Or at least, I would do that, if they work and people like them. They are releasing a bunch of comics aimed to children and pre-teens, but they have few specifically aimed to teens and young adults.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4543003]The author of the tumblr post isn't the only one that likes the "the shortest becomes the tallest" idea.
I'm enjoying it too - especially since it breaks with the comic stereotype that the oldest son is the tallest, the second oldest is the second tallest, etc.
That's not how biology works.[/QUOTE]Still 4'6'' at the age of 15 is kind of absurd.

4'6'' is the average height of an nine year old, and average height of a 15 year old is something close to 5'9'', that's more then a feet taller. (apart from that even him being 15 when he died doesn't really fit the timeline ...)

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The author of the tumblr post isn't the only one that likes the "the shortest becomes the tallest" idea.
I'm enjoying it too - especially since it breaks with the comic stereotype that the oldest son is the tallest, the second oldest is the second tallest, etc.
That's not how biology works.[/QUOTE]

Their all adopted that logic has no bearing on this family

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[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4543082]Their all adopted that logic has no bearing on this family[/QUOTE]

This has nothing to do with being adopted or not.
The comic logic goes: You are older/more experienced/in some kind of mentor position, so you are taller.
The same stereotype prevents any of the Robins to be taller than Bruce. Bruce is the father figure/mentor and higher up in the "hierarchy" of the batfamily. Therefore comic logic says that he has to be the taller person - so that every reader immediately knows the "hierarchy". The same logic gave Dick and Tim a magical growth spurt when they became Batman.

The same is true for a lot of other sidekicks/families.
Aquaman is taller than Tempest.
Wonder Woman is taller than Donna Troy.
Green Arrow is taller than Arsenal.
Superman is taller than Conner Kent.
Deathstroke is taller than Jericho.
Barry and Wally are apparently the same height.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4542906][URL="https://twitter.com/Mitografia/status/1167817860632068096"]Kenneth Rocafort[/URl] (please follow the link for the video because I have no idea how to embed Twitter videos in a forum post)

[I]Happy weekend! Here is a small pick of what I am doing right now. Jason Todd aka: RED HOOD. I’m working on my last issue run on Red Hood Outlaw (issue number 39). #mitografia #kennethrocafort #redhood #redhoodandtheoutlaws #jasontodd #robin #batman #dccomics #dcuniverse[/I]

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Thankfully, Kenneth Rocafort also [URL="https://www.facebook.com/kenneth.rocafort/videos/10157584303843331/"]posted[/URL] the video on Facebook.

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I've found this thread in /r/DCcomics and I think it could be a good idea to share it here. If I'm not wrong, we were discussing something similar not too long ago, so it may interest some of you guys as well. It's about the generation of young heroes for Jason, or the lack of one, why something like that happened, what could've been, and what has meant for the character.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4543949]I've found this thread in /r/DCcomics and I think it could be a good idea to share it here. If I'm not wrong, we were discussing something similar not too long ago, so it may interest some of you guys as well. It's about the generation of young heroes for Jason, or the lack of one, why something like that happened, what could've been, and what has meant for the character.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Interesting read, thanks for the post!

And, while I get the whole wanting Jason to be a loner thing, him NOT having his own generation, so to speak, makes more lonely than "independent".

Some of the people they suggested are interesting. Like Mia Dearden, an Arrow that actually has a lot in common with Jason due to their pasts. And Jason being a big brother to people isn't unheard of, in his own way.

Grace Choi, I simply don't know much about her other than being part Amazon and Thunder's girlfriend. Honestly half tempted to just put Artemis here instead.

Bizarro, well, I honestly wouldn't be against him being around when Jason was Robin. While technically the size of an adult, Biz was only "born" when he came out of the tank. It would be the "big brother is a comedically smaller than the big brother" kind of thing.

Rose Wilson works for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4543980]Interesting read, thanks for the post!

And, while I get the whole wanting Jason to be a loner thing, him NOT having his own generation, so to speak, makes more lonely than "independent".

Some of the people they suggested are interesting. Like Mia Dearden, an Arrow that actually has a lot in common with Jason due to their pasts. And Jason being a big brother to people isn't unheard of, in his own way.

Grace Choi, I simply don't know much about her other than being part Amazon and Thunder's girlfriend. Honestly half tempted to just put Artemis here instead.

Bizarro, well, I honestly wouldn't be against him being around when Jason was Robin. While technically the size of an adult, Biz was only "born" when he came out of the tank. It would be the "big brother is a comedically smaller than the big brother" kind of thing.

Rose Wilson works for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]

No problem.

Honestly? Even when I'm not a fan of the "everything is connected" way of working with a shared universe, I don't like that he's bassically isolated from the rest of the main universe because he doesn't have his own generarion of mates. That limits the narrative when you want to connect the story of a certain character to others; and when you borrow characters associated to others (and let's be honest, they do that because those are the ones people know about and who show up in books regularly), then you end with a conflict with certain fanbases like what has happened with Kori and Roy. Jason was just unlucky. At his time DC was adding the new young characters to the New Teen Titans, and Jason wasn't the Robin there because they already had one (Dick). Jason was isolated, almost didn't have a place outside the books with Batman; so every character who would be associated with him would've had to play their role in those books. Or being a one time thing, like Kid Devil.

And then he died, and came back as an adult.

And he had his time as Robin shortened because what COIE meant.

Bad luck, indeed. Fortunately, Bizarro (this version is really, really recent) and Artemis (a character from the 90's that was in Limbo) worked very well.

Now, that being said, I do like a lot the chances that not having a group of associated mates could bring to the table. RHATO could be a book with a clear lead that reintroduces or presents small or forgotten characters, or misfits, or new characters, in a rotating cast that also helps to connect Jason to his universe, making him "the guy who knows people" much like Hawkeye is, for example, in Marvel (by virtue of being a former member or a ton of groups and teams, which potentially makes him good for a mentor and a help in any group with newcommers).

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4543949]I've found this thread in /r/DCcomics and I think it could be a good idea to share it here. If I'm not wrong, we were discussing something similar not too long ago, so it may interest some of you guys as well. It's about the generation of young heroes for Jason, or the lack of one, why something like that happened, what could've been, and what has meant for the character.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Alot of the charcter suggested there are either part of Dicks (Kyle Rayner, Joey Wilson and probably Jesse Chambers and Jennifer-Lynn Hayden) or Tims Generation (Mia Dearden, Courtney Whitmore).
And Kara Kent is anyway and odd case do to all the differnt incarnation, but she is usually more connected with the Batgirls then with the Robins.

Btw. Jackson Hyde (the new Aqualad) might be potential candidate for Jasons generation, he seems to fall in the "younger then Dick, older then Tim" age range, and is the son of Black Manta.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4543949]I've found this thread in /r/DCcomics and I think it could be a good idea to share it here. If I'm not wrong, we were discussing something similar not too long ago, so it may interest some of you guys as well. It's about the generation of young heroes for Jason, or the lack of one, why something like that happened, what could've been, and what has meant for the character.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/cy6gx3/jason_todd_robin_generations/[/URL][/QUOTE]

I agree with the ones who said Jason doesn't need his own generation.

They can do more harm than good because when they struggle to find a place for them, you get dragged down with them. Just look at Tim and his generation or even Dick with the titans.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4543103]This has nothing to do with being adopted or not.
The comic logic goes: You are older/more experienced/in some kind of mentor position, so you are taller.
The same stereotype prevents any of the Robins to be taller than Bruce. Bruce is the father figure/mentor and higher up in the "hierarchy" of the batfamily. Therefore comic logic says that he has to be the taller person - so that every reader immediately knows the "hierarchy". The same logic gave Dick and Tim a magical growth spurt when they became Batman.

The same is true for a lot of other sidekicks/families.
Aquaman is taller than Tempest.
Wonder Woman is taller than Donna Troy.
Green Arrow is taller than Arsenal.
Superman is taller than Conner Kent.
Deathstroke is taller than Jericho.
Barry and Wally are apparently the same height.[/QUOTE]

They do that in cartoons too it’s called the “ teen are short trope” a child character no matter how old will be shorter then the parents for easy distinction. Look at family guy, for example

[QUOTE=Rise;4544477]I agree with the ones who said Jason doesn't need his own generation.

They can do more harm than good because when they struggle to find a place for them, you get dragged down with them. Just look at Tim and his generation or even Dick with the titans.[/QUOTE]

I see that point, and it's true; but it's also true that when you want to make him interact with other heroes/characters in a friendly way, teaming up or whatsoever, because he doesn't have his own group, it tends to end up with "issues" among the fans of those characters. "Don't steal my teammates/supporting cast" is probably what's behind that logic (I think it's just silly, because one can be friendly with people, sharing friends with your family, etc.). I'm already expecting a lot of Wally fans complaining if Lobdell makes them share a page unless it's in hostile terms (and that's a possibility, because now he's writing both characters).

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4544615]I see that point, and it's true; but it's also true that when you want to make him interact with other heroes/characters in a friendly way, teaming up or whatsoever, because he doesn't have his own group, it tend to end up with "issues" among the fans of those characters. "Don't steal my teammates/supporting cast" is probably what's behind that logic (I think it's just silly, because one can be friendly with people, sharing friends with your family, etc.). I'm already expecting a lot of Wally fans complaining if Lobdell makes them share a page unless it's in hostile terms (and that's a possibility, because now he's writing both characters).[/QUOTE]

It’s about contradiction why would 19 former addict, recently contracted by the government, just found out he has a child with a super villainess make bond with the 14 Jason

If you rewrite Roy for Jason, then you can affect the relationship he has with other, like DIck and Donna

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4544615]I see that point, and it's true; but it's also true that when you want to make him interact with other heroes/characters in a friendly way, teaming up or whatsoever, because he doesn't have his own group, it tends to end up with "issues" among the fans of those characters. "Don't steal my teammates/supporting cast" is probably what's behind that logic (I think it's just silly, because one can be friendly with people, sharing friends with your family, etc.). I'm already expecting a lot of Wally fans complaining if Lobdell makes them share a page unless it's in hostile terms (and that's a possibility, because now he's writing both characters).[/QUOTE]

Who cares? It's just a noise. Some fans just love complaining about any stupid thing and I don't remember Dick, Tim and Damian only interacting with characters from their generations.

If a writer wanted Jason to interact with any character they want, they can and no fan whinning about it should stop them.

[QUOTE=Rise;4544992]Who cares? It's just a noise. Some fans just love complaining about any stupid thing and I don't remember Dick, Tim and Damian only interacting with characters from their generations.

If a writer wanted Jason to interact with any character they want, they can and no fan whinning about it should stop them.[/QUOTE]

Well, fair enough.

Not having a set Generation just means it takes a bit more effort to give Jason a new playmate than simply checking out the latest addition to one of DC’s main hero families. That’s all.