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[QUOTE=Sergard;4164292]I could imagine that Jason gets rid of his current costume in #33. The last time we had a variant cover with death theme was for #26. Back then Jason got his new outfit.
Further, looking at the standard cover of #33, Jason is using the mask part for his crime boss look. And judging by the solicitation, he wants people to believe that the new crime boss in town and Red Hood are two different persons. So he can't use the mask as Red Hood anymore. Maybe he goes back to the helmet and leather jacket. It would make sense because the current outfit is good for traveling (light weight, can be turned into a "normal" outfit by removing the mask) but in Gotham you need more protection.
It's a lot of work to make all those fanfic recommendations and to update them. You try to stay as objective as possible and you give a good overview what people have to expect in each fanfic. That's way more work than copying some quotes. It seems we have to agree to disagree who does more work. ;) And yes, people in this thread are great. I love the positive atmosphere here. And that's the most important thing about being a fan of a character - to have fun. Having fun with other fans is even better.
I think so too. High activity in the fanart and fanfic scene is always a good indicator that a title does well and helps to attract new fans. It also shows the company what fans like about a character or which changes in story are welcomed - at least sometimes, like the upcoming change in Jason's look. On the other hand, I've seen many positive comments about Ma Gunn being Jason's grandmother and the kiss between Jason and Artemis, but there aren't any/not a lot of fanfics/fanarts that address these topics.[/QUOTE]
The kiss part, well, over on AO3 there's a number of Jason/Artemis pairings now, but that's the crux of their plot. Often disregarding everything else about the characters, and thus, I avoid those. Much like most of the Justice League fanfics out there. Half are SuperWonder (a thing I never liked) and the other half are WonderBat that horrifically mangle one or both of the characters.
For Ma Gunn. Well, I guess she just isn't that well known.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4164292]I could imagine that Jason gets rid of his current costume in #33. The last time we had a variant cover with death theme was for #26. Back then Jason got his new outfit.
Further, looking at the standard cover of #33, Jason is using the mask part for his crime boss look. And judging by the solicitation, he wants people to believe that the new crime boss in town and Red Hood are two different persons. So he can't use the mask as Red Hood anymore. Maybe he goes back to the helmet and leather jacket. It would make sense because the current outfit is good for traveling (light weight, can be turned into a "normal" outfit by removing the mask) but in Gotham you need more protection.
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Actually, I think it's more like the opposite here. In the few peeks we have at interior art for the new arc, we know that Jason wears the suit without mask. My guess is that these covers with him in suit and mask is a composition middle place, that both shows his two new, separated personas to the public eye: Jason, the businessman who looks like a mafia boss on one hand, and the wild, dark Red Hood who still wears his post #26 costume on the other hand.
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I think so too. High activity in the fanart and fanfic scene is always a good indicator that a title does well and helps to attract new fans. It also shows the company what fans like about a character or which changes in story are welcomed - at least sometimes, like the upcoming change in Jason's look. On the other hand, I've seen many positive comments about Ma Gunn being Jason's grandmother and the kiss between Jason and Artemis, but there aren't any/not a lot of fanfics/fanarts that address these topics.
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They will eventually warm up to the Ma Gunn grandma plot. It just needs to reach the trade readers and develop a bit more, I'm sure (people love family drama and the old hidden/unaware "prince" trope). The Artemis bit, on the other hand, will have to fight shippers and people who are against those two being together no matter if they support any other ship: I think it's going to need a lot of time and good effort to take root into the fanbase.
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I imagine the fan base will warm up to the idea of Grandma Gunn & Jason/Artemis once/if they gain a greater presence in the book.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jason’s ties to Ma Gunn are further explored in the upcoming arc.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4164332]Actually, I think it's more like the opposite here. In the few peeks we have at interior art for the new arc, we know that Jason wears the suit without mask. My guess is that these covers with him in suit and mask is a composition middle place, that both shows his two new, separated personas to the public eye: Jason, the businessman who looks like a mafia boss on one hand, and the wild, dark Red Hood who still wears his post #26 costume on the other hand.
They will eventually warm up to the Ma Gunn grandma plot. It just needs to reach the trade readers and develop a bit more, I'm sure (people love family drama and the old hidden/unaware "prince" trope). [B]The Artemis bit, on the other hand, will have to fight shippers and people who are against those two being together no matter if they support any other ship: I think it's going to need a lot of time and good effort to take root into the fanbase.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, in Teen Titans (animated series), there's a lot of Red X (as Jason) with Raven and some with Starfire. In Young Justice, its usually just Jason involved with the Bat family and sometimes Artemis. In the Batman comics, well, there's a lot of independent Jason as Red Hood there. And the few ships there are either slash (hard pass for me) or with Stephanie Brown.
That's what I usually come across on fanfiction anyway. AO3, 3/4 of those stories are either Mature or Explicit with slash shipping. So, I tend to avoid that.
Only 2 fanfics come to mind that actually have the Rebirth Outlaws in a notable role. I've Got the Umbrella (Hopes for a Bastard series) and Jason: Collector of Strays.
The first one though, is one of those Jason/Raven things, but it also has a huge cast and is combination of Teen Titans, Young Justice, Super Sons, and a few other things thrown in there.
Collector of Strays kind of hints at Jason/Artemis, but its more about Jason becoming sort of a family man by first taking in a dog, and then a group of kids. With Artemis and Biz popping in later.
A slightly different one I came across had Jason, while working with Artemis and Biz, get shrunk into a kid, with his memories as an adult kind of there. No shipping, as it goes into the family dynamic aspect, with Artemis acting as a mother figure to him. And Dick as a father (no shipping of them, as they seem to tolerate one another at best in the story).
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I'll never understand why people ship Jason with Stephanie. For what I know about Steph, they're both abrasive enough, unforgiving and too honest about other people's flaws to not being pointing out them constantly, even for hurting them when they're hurt. That is a recipe for disaster. And then Jason shares some flaws with Tim that Steph dislikes (I think). I definitely cannot see it working.
Besides, you know, them not knowing each other, bassically.
Maybe they fit for reasons I don't know yet, I don't know.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4164513]I'll never understand why people ship Jason with Stephanie. For what I know about Steph, they're both abrasive enough, unforgiving and too honest about other people's flaws to not being pointing out them constantly, even for hurting them when they're hurt. That is a recipe for disaster. And then Jason shares some flaws with Tim that Steph dislikes (I think). I definitely cannot see it working.
Besides, you know, them not knowing each other, bassically.
Maybe they fit for reasons I don't know yet, I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Biggest reason I've seen, is that they both come from bad backgrounds in the Narrows. Criminal fathers, druggie mothers, but then they diverge from there.
Jason tries to steal the Batmobile wheels, while Steph spoils her father's crimes. Jason has a hard time trusting people, and himself, especially when he gets back from the dead, Steph is usually a pretty bubbly person.
What's more, Jason pre-Flashpoint never interacted with Cass. After Flashpoint, they have a few, but nothing of note. Kind of a shame, with a number of parallels between them. Especially pre-Flashpoint.
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I’ve seen a couple Biz, Jason & Artemis fics that are set post RHATO #25.
All of them (I believe) generally involve Jason & the team completely detaching themselves from the Bat family.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4164534][B]Biggest reason I've seen, is that they both come from bad backgrounds in the Narrows. Criminal fathers, druggie mothers, but then they diverge from there. [/B]
Jason tries to steal the Batmobile wheels, while Steph spoils her father's crimes. Jason has a hard time trusting people, and himself, especially when he gets back from the dead, Steph is usually a pretty bubbly person.
What's more, Jason pre-Flashpoint never interacted with Cass. After Flashpoint, they have a few, but nothing of note. Kind of a shame, with a number of parallels between them. Especially pre-Flashpoint.[/QUOTE]
That's very... plain, and honest to god, kind of snob (I'm trying to come with a proper word in English for this; it's not really snob, but that's the best I can come with). I would take personal offence if that were the reason why.
And definitely, Steph being that rigorous about crime and grey areas is another reason why I don't see it happening at all. Being "grey" by manipulating alone is something she doesn't tolerate in Tim, even, as far as I know.
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[QUOTE=Arsenal;4164545]I’ve seen a couple Biz, Jason & Artemis fics that are set post RHATO #25.
All of them (I believe) generally involve Jason & the team completely detaching themselves from the Bat family.[/QUOTE]
There is an author in AO3 called Comicfan than have a lot of Jason/Artemis, i found enjoyable, especially with how much he/she seems to know about the DC universe in general (that's how i found that Artemis was at some point attracted to a guy called Sureshot lol).
Is really hard for me to enjoy any fanfic related to Batman or the Batfamily because they usually took the headcanons wayyyy too seriously, Dick, Jason and Tim receive the worst deal in that regard.
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[QUOTE=TheCape;4164568]There is an author in AO3 called Comicfan than have a lot of Jason/Artemis, i found enjoyable, especially with how much he/she seems to know about the DC universe in general (that's how i found that Artemis was at some point attracted to a guy called Sureshot lol).
Is really hard for me to enjoy any fanfic related to Batman or the Batfamily because they usually took the headcanons wayyyy too seriously, Dick, Jason and Tim receive the worst deal in that regard.[/QUOTE]
I haven't read many of their fanfics, but I did read some to know what's their work about; and by sheer numbers, I'll add their name to the recommended writers list. There aren't many who play that ship, so it's worth mentioning them, too.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4164593]I haven't read many of their fanfics, but I did read some to know what's their work about; and by sheer numbers, I'll add their name to the recommended writers list. There aren't many who play that ship, so it's worth mentioning them, too.[/QUOTE]
I personally would recommend this small series.
[url]https://archiveofourown.org/series/759945[/url]
It start rigth after the Bow of Ra story arc.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4163493][IMG]https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/bccff722-5623-4593-a187-1f9d6733c3b0/d7j3qj2-26a7dfff-5f13-4de6-8940-fc6175ea0fb9.jpg/v1/fill/w_500,h_247,q_70,strp/dick_and_jason_talking_about_red_x_by_shega9146_d7j3qj2-250t.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
LMAO, priceless :D
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4164552]That's very... plain, and honest to god, kind of snob (I'm trying to come with a proper word in English for this; it's not really snob, but that's the best I can come with). I would take personal offence if that were the reason why.
And definitely, Steph being that rigorous about crime and grey areas is another reason why I don't see it happening at all. Being "grey" by manipulating alone is something she doesn't tolerate in Tim, even, as far as I know.[/QUOTE]
Eh. Not really a fan of it myself, just what other people have used to justify it when I asked them. I don't mind seeing them interact, and Jason interact with Cass, but I just can't wrap my head around Jason and Steph together.
[QUOTE=TheCape;4164568]There is an author in AO3 called Comicfan than have a lot of Jason/Artemis, i found enjoyable, especially with how much he/she seems to know about the DC universe in general (that's how i found that Artemis was at some point attracted to a guy called Sureshot lol).
Is really hard for me to enjoy any fanfic related to Batman or the Batfamily because they usually took the headcanons wayyyy too seriously, Dick, Jason and Tim receive the worst deal in that regard.[/QUOTE]
I checked out some of their work. Hasn't been updated in a while (sadly), but it is written pretty well.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4164534]Biggest reason I've seen, is that they both come from bad backgrounds in the Narrows. Criminal fathers, druggie mothers, but then they diverge from there.[/QUOTE]Steph is not from the Narrows or crime alley, she lived in in the suburbs (and there area didn't looked that bad).
The biggest reason for me against this ship is, that Steph is Tims main love interest.
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[QUOTE=Aahz;4165213]Steph is not from the Narrows or crime alley, she lived in in the suburbs (and there area didn't looked that bad).
The biggest reason for me against this ship is, that Steph is Tims main love interest.[/QUOTE]
Most of those take place pre-Flashpoint when Steph is running around as Batgirl, and is just friends with Tim.
Just the setup those authors use, not me.
