Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4205993]The gist of the rumor is that Bendis wanted an unexpected character to lead Leviathan on his event and he picked up Jason because making one of Bruce's sons the greatest evil mastermind in the DCU was the most shocking choice he could come up with. From there it has fallen into Lobdell to essentially undo all the character work he has put on Jason over the past seven years to make Jason regress into the crazy SOB that he was during Battle for the Cowl.

And as it was pointed out earlier in the thread, it does seem like Jason is slowly but surely being pushed into the edge.[/QUOTE]

I think I just died a little inside...

Lobdell did say he wasn't Bendis when he was asked to change Jason's race and sexuality, which leads me to believe he doesn't really like his style. However, if the guys at the top allow it, there's probably nothing he can do.

I really hope that rumor isn’t going to happen, I’m just now getting back into Jason. That’s the only good thing for me that’s come out of the recent Nightwing stuff, since I stopped getting that, I’ve been catching up on Red Hood. What a fun run, I’m loving it. About to get into solo crowbar outlaw.

[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4206943]Lobdell did say he wasn't Bendis when he was asked to change Jason's race and sexuality[/QUOTE]

Wat? that happened?

[QUOTE=Mataza;4208306]Wat? that happened?[/QUOTE]

I found the [URL="https://twitter.com/scottylobdell/status/760010010894082048"]tweet[/URL]. But I don't know what he's referring to. When did Bendis change race/sexuality of a character?
And I don't know what the original post was. Probably someone asking if Jason could be made latino and gay/bi.

Wild how Jason went into 2010s a villain and now he might leave the 10s as a villain still.

If Jason can be this ballsy and not eventually turn into a villain, this might be the best version of Jason yet. Finger-crossed. I'm curious about Essence being involved. Don't think she would care much whether Gotham or elsewhere is threatened. Unless "more than Gotham" meaning Jason's well-being.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4208882]I found the [URL="https://twitter.com/scottylobdell/status/760010010894082048"]tweet[/URL]. But I don't know what he's referring to. When did Bendis change race/sexuality of a character?
And I don't know what the original post was. Probably someone asking if Jason could be made latino and gay/bi.[/QUOTE]

Yep, iirc, the original tweet was asking for that exactly.

And as for what he meant, probably he was alluding to Bendis' hand/influence in the status change of some characters like Iceman (it wasn't him, but he was close to the writer, I think?) or his taste for making new, diversity characters take on classic characters mantle without a lot of build up behind (it has passed a few times, I think. But to be fair, at the time it was a common place in Marvel, had been for a few years). Those are my best guesses.

Edit: Or maybe it was a joke about pleasing the crowd.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4205857]Ha ha. I just saw Yasmine's cover for DCeased. Heh, clever; a nice reference to IT.[/QUOTE]

Yeah its pretty good :D

I wonder if Jason will get any sort of role in this new DCeased comic, or maybe just a side story for himself? I mean for such a concept, why waste the opportunity to use a character who so famously died and returned.

The significance is undeniable at this point, considering the imagery of Jasons death is even used as the cover XD

[QUOTE=RedBird;4209289]Yeah its pretty good :D

I wonder if Jason will get any sort of role in this new DCeased comic, or maybe just a side story for himself? I mean for such a concept, why waste the opportunity to use a character who so famously died and returned.

The significance is undeniable at this point, considering the imagery of Jasons death is even used as the cover XD[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't be the first time they use him as a zombie, even, right?

Lobdell was alluding to the Iceman retcon.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4209294]It wouldn't be the first time they use him as a zombie, even, right?[/QUOTE]No that was afaik done the first time in Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 4 #45 in 1993.

[QUOTE=RedBird;4209289]Yeah its pretty good :D

I wonder if Jason will get any sort of role in this new DCeased comic, or maybe just a side story for himself? I mean for such a concept, why waste the opportunity to use a character who so famously died and returned.

The significance is undeniable at this point, considering the imagery of Jasons death is even used as the cover XD[/QUOTE]

And then Jason, along with a host of other heroes that died and came back, with Jason in a red leather jacket, re-enact Thriller.

No mentions of Jason in TT #27, only a small side note that "Damian got a beatdown from ex-mentor Red Hood" in the Annual.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4209671]No mentions of Jason in TT #27, only a small side note that "Damian got a beatdown from ex-mentor Red Hood" in the Annual.[/QUOTE]
That’s a shame, Glass is really dropping the ball on this RH is Damian’s mentor storyline

[QUOTE=Arsenal;4209726]That’s a shame, Glass is really dropping the ball on this RH is Damian’s mentor storyline[/QUOTE]

Maybe Jason will have an reappearance later on (I still want to see him and Crush interact). Now I just hope that RH:O will take up the thread of the mystery box and reveal its secret.

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[QUOTE]Desk shot. To borrow a catch phrase- Don7make him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1098311221252640770[/url]

No change to the old costume after all.

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[url]https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1098311221252640770[/url]

No change to the old costume after all.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't it already obvious that Jason still wears his "Mortal Combat" costume? He's wearing it on the RH:O #34 cover.

At the moment I'm cool with keeping the costume. I want to see it with Jason having hair. His buzz cut always seemed to be the biggest problem - And that Woods doesn't seem to be able to draw Jason's face. Every other character looks completely normal. Bruce looked fine in #27, Batwoman looked good in #28/#29 and I can't complain about Solitary, Bunker or Wingman last issue. But Jason ...

On the other hand, I'm still hoping that he'll wear a mask with his "mob boss" suit like on the cover of #33.

Are that Bunker's bricks on the left? And are that Jason's eyebrows or his mask reflecting the light?

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Are that Bunker's bricks on the left? And are that Jason's eyebrows or his mask reflecting the light?[/QUOTE]

> Could be. I hope so.
> I think it's the mask eyelid edge. Light source seems to come from front-below.

The current suit is likely here to stay (bar minor adjustments along the way) for the rest of Jason’s solo run. So probably another arc or so. Doubt we’ll be going into 2020 with it.

Jason Todd is basically the poster child for black sheep in DC as a whole (barring Flashpoint, where he somehow became a priest), but, just for speculation, how would he be received in the Marvel universe where far fewer heroes hold to the "no kill" rule?

I imagine he’d be treated the same as Wolverine before he became everybody’s best friend

[url]http://m-alejandrita.tumblr.com/post/182947432565[/url]

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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4210649]Jason Todd is basically the poster child for black sheep in DC as a whole (barring Flashpoint, where he somehow became a priest), but, just for speculation, how would he be received in the Marvel universe where far fewer heroes hold to the "no kill" rule?[/QUOTE]

I don't know a lot about the Marvel universe. So my noob guess is that he would be received like Bucky Barnes or Loki. Or somewhere between Deadpool and Punisher. Although RH isn't (thankfully) comedic enough for Deadpool and hasn't this dark and classic anti-hero drive like Punisher.

[URL="https://twitter.com/redauk0423/status/1096376901310902273"]redauk0423[/URL]

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And for people who miss Artemis (like I do):

[URL="https://twitter.com/redauk0423/status/1098242700417982465"]redauk0423[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4203246]Better looks at BTAS Red Hood

[img]https://i.imgur.com/KzSi3z2.png?1[/img]

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Someone drew a fanart of Jason in that design:
[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097939944255950848"]
Nachte[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzyqVMGXQAIWVwA.jpg[/IMG]

and another one
[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1098273103598313472"]
Nachte[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4211530][URL="https://twitter.com/redauk0423/status/1096376901310902273"]redauk0423[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzcc8LoU0AEL-b7.jpg[/IMG]


And for people who miss Artemis (like I do):

[URL="https://twitter.com/redauk0423/status/1098242700417982465"]redauk0423[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz29ulcV4AUTweC.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That bottom one is amazing.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4211522]I don't know a lot about the Marvel universe. So my noob guess is that he would be received like Bucky Barnes or Loki. Or somewhere between Deadpool and Punisher. Although RH isn't (thankfully) comedic enough for Deadpool and hasn't this dark and classic anti-hero drive like Punisher.[/QUOTE]

Bucky is softer (even if still pretty cynical) than Jason, I would say, while, as far as I know, Frank is more violent and prone to kill easily whatever in a very noisy way. I think Jason is in a middle ground, and despite the comedic tone, Wade (Deadpool) is nowadays probably the more close to Jason (or more likely, Jason would be more close to my fave spider, but not so well known to the general audience, Kaine Parker). So I think he would be tolerated, but problematic at times.

[URL="https://twitter.com/an_atagasu/status/1097916822416850944"]an_atagasu[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/an_atagasu/status/1097916705127358464"]an_atagasu[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/an_atagasu/status/1097907700061466624"]an_atagasu[/URL]

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[URL="http://vorimar.tumblr.com/post/182821681790"]vorimar[/URL]

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There is a second part of vorimar's fanart showing Bruce' reaction but I'm not sure if it's a little slash-y or not. You can find the second part following the link above.

[URL="https://twitter.com/bluetost_T/status/1098127867643277312"]bluetost_T[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/4yottsu/status/1098795311529488384"]4yottsu[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/uth69/status/1098992370484314112"]uth69[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/doctorhojo/status/1098857192743002113"]doctorhojo[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/lovezaku/status/1098755230316023808"]lovezaku[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/mugimhmh830/status/1098952575880024065"]
mugimhmh830[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4212693][URL="https://twitter.com/an_atagasu/status/1097907700061466624"]an_atagasu[/URL]

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[URL="http://vorimar.tumblr.com/post/182821681790"]vorimar[/URL]

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There is a second part of vorimar's fanart showing Bruce' reaction but [B]I'm not sure if it's a little slash-y or not.[/B] You can find the second part following the link above.[/QUOTE]

Sadly a very common theme in this fandom.

This is some Great art by the way.

Cass is such a good sister.

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[URL="https://twitter.com/hian0508/status/1096449316346949633"]hian0508[/URL]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1099108195400929280"]Nachte[/URL]: [I]"Wanted to draw these two in DCAU costume but in my style."[/I]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097012234415419392"]Nachte[/URL] (Batboys with Batgirl's domino mask design)

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[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097185428636164096"]Nachte[/URL] (little side note: the twitter post also contains slash stuff)

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[URL="https://twitter.com/onipilot/status/1098695342797803520"]onipilot[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Sergard;4215998][URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1099108195400929280"]Nachte[/URL]: [I]"Wanted to draw these two in DCAU costume but in my style."[/I]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0DRB03X4AE_Le-.png[/IMG]



[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097012234415419392"]Nachte[/URL] (Batboys with Batgirl's domino mask design)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzleqkhWoAAd1Ub.png[/IMG]


[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097185428636164096"]Nachte[/URL] (little side note: the twitter post also contains slash stuff)

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzn7_hjX4AAKCOf.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Why does Jason look to be in his 50s? He's supposed to be younger than Dick.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4211542]Someone drew a fanart of Jason in that design:
[URL="https://twitter.com/CyborgNachte/status/1097939944255950848"]
Nachte[/URL]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzyqVMGXQAIWVwA.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Why doesn't he have any eyebrows? He's kind of evil looking tbh.