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[QUOTE=RedBird;4110840][URL="https://twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1080508263664254976"]Dexter Soy[/URL]
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IT IS JASON! :D[/QUOTE]
Aha! But I thought he was crying in the earlier draft? A bit disappointed. :p
[QUOTE=RedBird;4110840][URL="https://twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1080508263664254976"]Dexter Soy[/URL]
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IT IS JASON! :D[/QUOTE]
I knew it! Yay!
In the first draft, he seemed to be crying.
This issue begins with a cold open of Jason killing his way through a submarine full of smuggler before blowing it up. That scene is what I imagine a Red Hood book would be, based on what I heard about Jason.
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Eventually, after comparing the two, I realize that Jason screwing over criminal with his own method is what I want to read, so I dropped Outlaws. It didn't have the tone I was looking for. That said I did enjoy the Jason Todd moments depicted in this series.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4110852]This issue begins with a cold open of Jason killing his way through a submarine full of smuggler before blowing it up. That scene is what I imagine a Red Hood book would be, based on what I heard about Jason.
Eventually, after comparing the two, I realize that Jason screwing over criminal with his own method is what I want to read, so I dropped Outlaws. It didn't have the tone I was looking for. That said I did enjoy the Jason Todd moments depicted in this series.[/QUOTE]
That's why I wanted a solo book for Jason so much. As much as I love the dynamics between the Outlaws of both series, it's hard to have Jason stay in his element and do what he does best when the team has some serious powerhouses. Even Roy was often much more effective than Jason with his inventions.
This current direction on the other hand is constantly showing us a capable Jason. But, some critics are already missing the team interactions and heartfelt moments. I'm fine with it. I think those moments will come very soon, and if not, well you gain some you lose some. In the end each series will contribute to the bigger picture that is Jason's character exploration and development. I have to give it to Lobdell though. He's been on the books for years and still manages to make it fresh with ideas.
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4110160]Oh wow. [I]That [/I]is an amazing description. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Thanks! So... if @Serg wants to add it, I will feel very proud of it being added to the initial post. Next step would be the recommended reads list.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4110498]That first pic where the logo made a ^^ emoji... Have people started drawing Jason's new logo making different expressions yet? Besides that one, I mean.[/QUOTE]
Hilarious. I want this to be a thing. We need new memes.
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4110830]Same. I didn't feel offended about Starfire's outfit and character at all, and that was before I even knew Starfire was supposed to not conform to human's beliefs of sexual conduct and whatnot. I found the series to be charming and character driven. Being new to comics at the time and unfamiliar with Jason's character, reading analyses from the Jason experts on tumblr was a mistake because of extreme hostility that almost made me feel guilty for liking RHATO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4110836]I didn't know him either. I just recognize the art because he drew Superman Doomsday War right before New 52, which I think is beautiful looking. That book was the first time I found out about his name.
Anyway, despite New 52 being my first actual reading, I've heard about Jason Todd in the interim between Hush and New 52. Among them was Morrison's Batman and Robin, Battle for The Cowl, and of course, Under The Red Hood.
This creates an image I have for Jason before reading it, that is an angry and violent young man who thinks killing villains is the better solution compared to Batman's code, which I like because it's such a tragic and ironic result that a Batman believer became that way because of his trauma.
Red Hood and The Outlaws... wasn't what I expected. I know the story is about redemption, so I expected a calmer, wiser, less angry or violent Jason... what I didn't expect was all the aliens... because the image I have in mind was a street level vigilante with his own sense of justice... not... a... comedic superhero group fighting aliens and mystics.
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In hindsight, Starfire's presence should've been a sign that this would be more like Titans than Red Hood.[/QUOTE]
Heh. My first time with Jason as a character was the animated movie of Under The Hood (I cannot remember how I got to that movie, actually. I hadn't watch anything Batman animated since Beyond)—Well, technically, I read The Cult long time ago, but to be honest, I didn't remember much at that point and didn't knew it was Jason. I did knew Jason existed, or rather, was aware that there has been more than one Robin. DC Comics here in my country weren't a thing you can find easily by that time, except in LCSs (which aren't common), bookstores (that only had mainstream comics by then) or Libraries (which to this day only collect hardcover books because preservation issues, and that limits the range of comics in their collections (well, for a while Vertigo was easy to find in kiosks and bookstores: as easy as it was finding paperbacks and issues from Marvel). I did read a lot of Vertigo books). That's how I read The Cult: in a hardcover edition from my local Library). After watching the movie, I went looking for the original comic, and read chronologically afterwards (following a guide). By that time, we were still in New 52, and I had started to read comics from the main DCU thanks to internet and a new publisher that gained the rights for them. I have had already read Grayson (which was the first DC thing I had read in years, after Hellblazer and Transmetropolitan) and thanks to other media, was slightly aware of who was Kori (I didn't know Roy). Because I really come from the Fantasy fandom and I didn't know her that much, it didn't bothered me more than, say, Diana's costume. Armour for females just tends to be ridiculous and impractical in fiction (which is a pity, because proper armours are cool and can be very sexy too. Just, you know, bulky). Also, there is nothing wrong with looking sexy. The problem is if you are only that: a sexy object. She developed into a warrior princess with a conflict and a personality, and that's more than what we had for a lot of female characters until the 00's. So I can deal with a messy start if it grows into something I will not dislike.
To be honest, I was more annoyed by how wordy the text was, and how much it repeated some statements. But that was for, like, five issues. And I'm all for putting the characters I like under different settings and living through different kind of stories. I love pulp, and you can guess how much I liked the evil ancient monks and space opera shift from the street level approach (which to be honest, after what they tried with Countdown, wasn't all that out of the blue).
[QUOTE=RedBird;4110840][URL="https://twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1080508263664254976"]Dexter Soy[/URL]
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IT IS JASON! :D[/QUOTE]
DARN.
I hope he gets back to draw Jason in some other book at some point this new year.
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4110890]That's why I wanted a solo book for Jason so much. As much as I love the dynamics between the Outlaws of both series, it's hard to have Jason stay in his element and do what he does best when the team has some serious powerhouses. Even Roy was often much more effective than Jason with his inventions.
This current direction on the other hand is constantly showing us a capable Jason. But, some critics are already missing the team interactions and heartfelt moments. I'm fine with it. I think those moments will come very soon, and if not, well you gain some you lose some. [B]In the end each series will contribute to the bigger picture that is Jason's character exploration and development. [/B]I have to give it to Lobdell though. He's been on the books for years and still manages to make it fresh with ideas.[/QUOTE]
This is why I like those shifts. It helps in making the character grow and adding him some more history, and it helps us see more how he is under different dynamics and situations.
I feel personally attacked that Arkham Knight isn't on the title....
Anyway, congratulations on the new thread, guys! I catch up with RH and decided to reread 21-29 which improved the current arc so much and made realize how unfair to judge a story before it finished (I have to give it to Lobdell for all hints he left here and there). So, from now on I'm not going to comment on single issue and instead wait for the arc to finish to get the whole picture before I give my thoughts.
See you guys on February!
I think it seems quite a few people here want '[B]Arkham Knight[/B]' in the title :D
Final decisions, to make room as Sergard mentioned, should 'Damned Prince of Gotham' be shortened to 'Damned Prince' or 'Prince of Gotham'?
[I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Damned Prince Appreciation 2019[/I]
OR
[I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I]
[SIZE=1]I think Prince of Gotham [I]looks[/I] better, but what do you guys think?[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=RedBird;4111037][I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I][/QUOTE]
I vote for this.
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4111037]I think it seems quite a few people here want '[B]Arkham Knight[/B]' in the title :D
Final decisions, to make room as Sergard mentioned, should 'Damned Prince of Gotham' be shortened to 'Damned Prince' or 'Prince of Gotham'?
[I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Damned Prince Appreciation 2019[/I]
OR
[I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I]
[SIZE=1]I think Prince of Gotham [I]looks[/I] better, but what do you guys think?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I'm just a tiny little bit partial to the first one. Happy with either.
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Hoo that's a very demonic take. Cool! :D
Theoretically we could also shorten "appreciation" to "app" or "appr'n" or something similar instead.
[QUOTE=Sergard;4111089]Theoretically we could also shorten "appreciation" to "app" or "appr'n" or something similar instead.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like the wiser choice. App. should be enough. I mean, you cannot mistake it for some new, awesome application named Jason Todd, right? :cool:
Thanks for the work on thread opener @Sergard. It's coming along nicely!
[QUOTE=Sergard;4111089]Theoretically we could also shorten "appreciation" to "app" or "appr'n" or something similar instead.[/QUOTE]
It's a no from me, app makes it sound like a download for my phone, XD 'appreciation' just has a nicer ring to it.
Me and Rise, both like Prince of Gotham
G is slightly more partial to 'Damned Prince' but is fine with 'Prince of Gotham' as well
And I believe Zaresh was neutral to both.
So if Jason's going business entrepreneur, what do you guys think can be his possible brand names?
(@Zaresh he'd better have an app for his business :P)
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4111116]Thanks for the work on thread opener @Sergard. It's coming along nicely![/QUOTE]
My pleasure :) Although, so far, Zaresh did the most work by writing the introduction. I'm only copy-pasting stuff. (I hope I will be more helpful on the weekend when I have more free time.)
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4111116]Thanks for the work on thread opener @Sergard. It's coming along nicely![/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's looking great actually :3.
On a side note, when I was re-reading the op text, I found that I lost an "s" in the way.
[QUOTE]as much as he despise others[/QUOTE]
... should be:
[QUOTE]as much as he despise[B]s[/B] others[/QUOTE]
Now, on the recommended reads, my candidates:
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[B]As Robin:[/B][*]Batman: The Cult (post-COIE].[*]A Death in the Family (post-COIE]
[B]As Red Hood:[/B][*]Batman: Under the Hood (pre-FP)[*]Red Hood: Lost Days (pre-FP)[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws vol. 1 and 2 (New 52)[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws vol. 1 to 4 (Rebirth]
[B]Other Media:[/B][*]Batman: Under the Red Hood (animation movie)[*]Batman: Arkham Knight (videogame)[/LIST]
I don't know about pre-COIE comics a lot, and I would love to add more stuff besides something from then, but I don't feel confident about. So as before, feel free to add and subtract as you feel.
Yep, like [B]@RedBird[/B] says, I don't mind either way about the name.
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4111128]So if Jason's going business entrepreneur, what do you guys think can be his possible brand names?
(@Zaresh he'd better have an app for his business :P)[/QUOTE]
You know, I wonder if we will see that henchmen app again when Jason comes back to Gotham to make Penguin more miserable.
Edit: Names, names... What about "Big Bad Wolf"?
[QUOTE=Sergard;4111137]My pleasure :) Although, so far, Zaresh did the most work by writing the introduction. I'm only copy-pasting stuff. (I hope I will be more helpful on the weekend when I have more free time.)[/QUOTE]
Hey, thanks! But really, it's looking really good. It already looked really good before we added that text.
[QUOTE=Rise;4111024]I feel personally attacked that Arkham Knight isn't on the title....
Anyway, congratulations on the new thread, guys! I catch up with RH and decided to reread 21-29 which improved the current arc so much and made realize how unfair to judge a story before it finished (I have to give it to Lobdell for all hints he left here and there). So, from now on I'm not going to comment on single issue and instead wait for the arc to finish to get the whole picture before I give my thoughts.
See you guys on February![/QUOTE]
I get where you're coming from, but as Lobdell once said that he tried to make an issue enjoyable on its own, I think it's fair to give our thought on what we currently have, so long as we know that it's not the whole picture yet and are willing to reexamine later, like you did. A month is a long wait, it's normal to get anxious sometimes. But I think your comments were pretty reasonable anyway. Gonna miss you @Rise!
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4111174]Yep, I don't mind either way about the name.
You know, I wonder if we will see that henchmen app again when Jason comes back to Gotham to make Penguin more miserable.
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Hell yeah at the henchmen app. Also, does Penguin have any penguins left? Jason needs a pet.
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4111215]Hell yeah at the henchmen app. Also, does Penguin have any penguins left? Jason needs a pet.[/QUOTE]
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Oh, my lord. Now we know WHY Jason comes back.
He wants his penguin!
[I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I]
I vote on this one! That's what Alfred called him as well.
[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4111233][I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I]
I vote on this one! That's what Alfred called him as well.[/QUOTE]
Yes it was, it's kinda why I'm more partial to that one as well, it came from a more endearing place.
And well, I think with that vote, its settled.
New title:
[B][I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I][/B]
Also Sergard, along with the change of title could you perhaps add a link to the previous appreciation thread as well? Thank you
[QUOTE=RedBird;4111249]Yes it was, it's kinda why I'm more partial to that one as well, it came from a more endearing place.
And well, I think with that vote, its settled.
New title:
[B][I]Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight, Prince of Gotham Appreciation 2019[/I][/B]
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I love that moment with Alfred. And that thread title sounds awesome.
Happy NEW YEAR and glad to see a new thread too. Hope everyone here had great holiday season.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4111109]That sounds like the wiser choice. App. should be enough. I mean, you cannot mistake it for some new, awesome application named Jason Todd, right? :cool:[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with a new awesome application called Jason Todd? :p Anyway Zaresh that made me laugh so thanks for that.
[QUOTE=JasonTodd428;4111646]Happy NEW YEAR and glad to see a new thread too. Hope everyone here had great holiday season.
What's wrong with a new awesome application called Jason Todd? :p Anyway Zaresh that made me laugh so thanks for that.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome! Happy new year to you too.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4110936]To be honest, I was more annoyed by how wordy the text was, and how much it repeated some statements. But that was for, like, five issues. And I'm all for putting the characters I like under different settings and living through different kind of stories. I love pulp, and you can guess how much I liked the evil ancient monks and space opera shift from the street level approach (which to be honest, after what they tried with Countdown, wasn't all that out of the blue).[/QUOTE]
The wordiness for me came later. It didn't really bother me that much at first, but as Lobdell began writing more books... he wrote Red Hood, Teen Titans, Superman and Action Comics at that time... it became really noticeable.
Anyway, here's one of my favorite Rocafort cover... Rocover... the homage to Star Wars.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4111708]The wordiness for me came later. It didn't really bother me that much at first, but as Lobdell began writing more books... he wrote Red Hood, Teen Titans, Superman and Action Comics at that time... it became really noticeable.
Anyway, here's one of my favorite Rocafort cover... Rocover... the homage to Star Wars.
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That is my favorite RHATO cover period. I wish someone would make that one a poster because I'd hang it in my new game room.
Hey glad to have you back @JasonTodd428! :D
[QUOTE=G-Potion;4112051]Hey glad to have you back @JasonTodd428! :D[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Sorry that I dropped off the face of the Earth like that but the past few months have been rather hectic for me and I haven't had a lot of down time. I moved into a new house at the end of November but things are starting to settle down now. Hopefully this means I'll be on the forum more.
I hope everyone had a nice holiday, whichever one you may celebrate.
Also that was some cute fanart you guys posted on the old thread.
It's great to have you guys back, even if Rise doesn't stay for commenting the monthy issues in the end.
Happy 2019!
New Jason Todd fan here. I haven't read any comics involving him (or any of the bat family yet now that I think about it), but I have watched UtRH recently.
I did have a vague idea of who he is and supposedly the parts I liked of Tim from TNBA was based off of Jason?? It wasn't until I was reading a fanfic with him in it (he wasn't even the focus character, but I loved him the most) that I got interested in him.
I'd like to read his time as robin. I'm not sure if there is a book that is all about his robin run, but if anyone could point out some trades that have him as robin (aside from DitF) that'd be great! Thanks!
Edit: Welcome [B]@Lirica![/B] About Jason's time as Robin, I think there are some collected trades, like "[URL="https://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batman-1940/batman-second-chances"]Batman: Second Chances[/URL]", and then there are classic stories like "The Cult" and "A Death in the Family". The problem is with pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths, I think, because I don't know if they have been collected in paper. Someone else said something about it in our previous thread. I hope someone else can reply with more detailed info.
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Let's give the topic more breath. We still have a long wait until #30 is released.
Coming back to the track of completing the initial post, now that we have cleared the title issue (I saw a nice new additions: good idea @Serg). The recommendations I posted in the previous page. What do you guys think? Need something else in? Something out?
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[LIST]
[B]As Robin:[/B][*]Batman: The Cult (post-COIE].[*]A Death in the Family (post-COIE]
[B]As Red Hood:[/B][*]Batman: Under the Hood (pre-FP)[*]Red Hood: Lost Days (pre-FP)[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws vol. 1 and 2 (New 52)[*]Red Hood and the Outlaws vol. 1 to 4 (Rebirth]
[B]Other Media:[/B][*]Batman: Under the Red Hood (animation movie)[*]Batman: Arkham Knight (videogame)[/LIST]
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For the "[B]Upcoming appearances[/B]", we know he will be a lead in Johns' Three Jokers mini (whenever it gets out). And he might appear in Teen Titans #26, but that's this month issue, so I guess it's not really worth the mention. That's all I know. Dark has a good record about what Jason will or will not be featured in; maybe he knows some other book he will be in. Or you guys. I honestly cannot recall anything else.
For the "[B]Enemies[/B]" category, The Joker, Black Mask, Penguin, Ra's Al Ghul... I dunno. The Untitled, too, I guess. And Underlife, now. I have a problem with this category, because he really needs more villains for his own. Lobdell is trying to fix it, but really, if you want to make Jason his own hero, he needs his own villains (and supporting cast, which is something that's it's being fixed as well). Of course you can always write great stories borrowing someone else's villain, and can even end up making them more memorables as your rogues than as the original hero's: but it's had to see that happening, I think.
"[B]Family, Allies and Friends[/B]", here I would put The Batfamily, Roy Harper, Koriand'r, Clone Bizarro and Artemis. Those are the current ones. For past allies, Donna and Kyle? Talia? Should we put someone from his days as Robin? This applies for every section. It's the period I know of the least.
[QUOTE=Lirica;4113340]Happy 2019!
New Jason Todd fan here. I haven't read any comics involving him (or any of the bat family yet now that I think about it), but I have watched UtRH recently.
I did have a vague idea of who he is and supposedly the parts I liked of Tim from TNBA was based off of Jason?? It wasn't until I was reading a fanfic with him in it (he wasn't even the focus character, but I loved him the most) that I got interested in him.
I'd like to read his time as robin. I'm not sure if there is a book that is all about his robin run, but if anyone could point out some trades that have him as robin (aside from DitF) that'd be great! Thanks![/QUOTE]
Welcome to the family ;-)
Which fanfic did you read? I'm always interested in some nice fanfic with Jason in it.
I hope you don't think it's lazy but I've copied a comment from the [URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?364-Jason-Todd-Robin-Arkham-Knight-Red-Hood-Appreciation-2018&p=3982454&viewfull=1#post3982454"]old appreciation thread[/URL] about Robin Jason:
[QUOTE=Aahz;3982454]Not really a collection about Jason but they have now TPBs that cover the era:
- Batman Second Chances and Batman: The Caped Crusader Vol. 1 cover all his whole post crisis appearances in "Batman" apart from DITF and One Annual
- Batman: The Dark Knight Detective Vol. 1 seems to cover his appearances in TEC (I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive, and the info what is in the book is a little contradictory).
- with DITF and the Cult on top you cover everything apart from his few appearances outside of the Batman books [/QUOTE]
Are you familiar with the terms "pre-crisis" and "post-crisis"?
[QUOTE=Lirica;4113340]Happy 2019!
New Jason Todd fan here. I haven't read any comics involving him (or any of the bat family yet now that I think about it), but I have watched UtRH recently.
I did have a vague idea of who he is and supposedly the parts I liked of Tim from TNBA was based off of Jason?? It wasn't until I was reading a fanfic with him in it (he wasn't even the focus character, but I loved him the most) that I got interested in him.
I'd like to read his time as robin. I'm not sure if there is a book that is all about his robin run, but if anyone could point out some trades that have him as robin (aside from DitF) that'd be great! Thanks![/QUOTE]
Welcome to the family Lirica. Others have already mentioned where you can find some of the Post-Crisis stories with Jason as Robin. Sadly none of the Pre-Crisis stories have been collected as yet. If you are interested in the Pre-Crisis stories though you can find them pretty cheaply on Comixology. If I remember rightly they are .99 cents an issue.
I didn't notice this before but he has Arkham games Nightwing glow sticks.
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Also, Hello Pillow was one of the best Jason tics that fandom just run with it.
[QUOTE=Lirica;4113340]Happy 2019!
New Jason Todd fan here.[/QUOTE]
Hello and welcome to the family [B]@Lirica[/B]! It's cool that you became interested in Jason through fanfics. May I ask which ones did it for you? :D
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4114383]I didn't notice this before but he has Arkham games Nightwing glow sticks.
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Also, Hello Pillow was one of the best Jason tics that fandom just run with it.[/QUOTE]
Heh, Hello Pillow was great. And what a time to post this because they're about to fight again soon in TT. This month I guess?