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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4170376]Just read the issue
[spoil]and yeah, he meant The Other. Basically saying that if the TT bother him again, he will do the Other a favor and take them down (killing them?) himself.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[spoil]An empty threat so that Damian backs off. Damian did the same with the bomb. It should be obvious that Damian had never the intention to blow himself up. But he used the bomb because he speculated that the idea of dying in an explosion (again) would scare Jason. But Jason didn't take the bait but returned the favor by scaring Damian with the idea that his whole team could die because of him. That's how you make somebody believe an empty threat.[/spoil]
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Wow! The number of people crying out that "Jason is cancer", "Jason is abusing a young child", "Jason is a psycho", "Jason shot Damian once so he's totally evil and he tried to kill the kids" on Tumblr seriously makes me wonder if we read the same issue.
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[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4170472]Wow! The number of people crying out that "Jason is cancer", "Jason is abusing a young child", "Jason is a psycho", "Jason shot Damian once so he's totally evil and he tried to kill the kids" on Tumblr seriously makes me wonder if we read the same issue.[/QUOTE]
Lol, people talk like Damian was a normal child. Honestly, what did they expect?, Damian keep acusing him and Jason tried to calm him down until he was electrocuted and had enougth, was he just supposed to let himself be beating and throw in jail for a crime that he didn't commit?.
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[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4170472]Wow! The number of people crying out that "Jason is cancer", "Jason is abusing a young child", "Jason is a psycho" on Tumblr seriously makes me wonder if we read the same issue.[/QUOTE]
As far as I have seen, some fans of Damian are a bit too extreme. And then Tumblr tends to be very radical in their opinions. I haven't read the issue yet, but for what you people say, it's not like he's beaten Damian just because: looks a lot more like he got too provoked by him when he was in a bad place, was even threatened and attacked, and the kid got a comeback in physical shape and a warning. I would say that Jason may have reacted in a disproportionate way, but I haven't read the issue, so I don't know how it really was.
As I said, you just don't bully a dragon, especially not when he's hurt.
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[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4170472]Wow! The number of people crying out that "Jason is cancer", "Jason is abusing a young child", "Jason is a psycho", "Jason shot Damian once so he's totally evil and he tried to kill the kids" on Tumblr seriously makes me wonder if we read the same issue.[/QUOTE]
Let them. That are people who dislike Jason anyway. I've seen bad comments about Damian too. To each his own.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4170497]As far as I have seen, some fans of Damian are a bit too extreme. And then Tumblr tends to be very radical in their opinions. I haven't read the issue yet, but for what you people say, it's not like he's beaten Damian just because: looks a lot more like he got too provoked by him when he was in a bad place, was even threatened and attacked, and the kid got a comeback in physical shape and a warning. I would say that Jason may have reacted in a disproportionate way, but I haven't read the issue, so I don't know how it really was.
As I said, you just don't bully a dragon, especially not when he's hurt.[/QUOTE]
I thougth that the death threat at the end was a bit much, but he was hurt so i can understand it, probably doesn't justify it but when you are angry and sad you say stuff that you regret later.
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Is also worth noting that it was the box what got Jason pissed.
Surprised that they let Glass write Jason kicking Damian's ass though, normally Jason is editorial go-to guy to get beaten on crossovers and guest appearances.
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And I finally read it.
Maybe Jason was a bit too hard in Damian, when he was still struck by the first blow, and probably thinking about Jason's whole reaction. But then, Damian would have taken advantage at his first chance to come back, as he did, with the bomb threat, so I can see why Jason would hit hard: to deliver the message that he had the upper hand (which was also the point of his whole speech).
The threat at the end was definitely him being mad, and hurt, and yeah, was a bit to much, but also shows Damian that he won't be caught under friendly terms like this time again. So again, it has a purpose behind it.
I think Jason was in character. I cannot say the same for Damian: I get that he too is in a very bad place, but damn, he was so bratty and unwise. I don't think he has been like this in a long while.
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I actually really liked the Annual. It's clearly setting things up long term. I feel really bad for Crush, because I feel that she's being played by Joystick and will stick with Djinn and Roundhouse during the th Deathstroke will come from her being mightily jealous at Damian (when I still think he's crushing on Emiko but now refuses to act on it).
I was sad to see my two favorites Robins fighting like that, but I loved how level-headed Jason was, from beginning to end. It shows that he's really far more experienced than Damian, in real life that is, if not in pure combat skills. I felt it made Red Hood a really strong brand, to see him both dish out such pain but also display genuine sorrow for Damian's actions.
I think he realizes perfectly that Damian is coming out of a very bad time, with him losing his trust in his father (which had been a staple of his character before, as seen in Metal) and that Dick is no more (for the time being), which leads to Damian losing it. I think both of them will have very interesting developments in the future, if Lobdell make uses of this fight.
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[QUOTE=Korath;4170586]I actually really liked the Annual. It's clearly setting things up long term. I feel really bad for Crush, because I feel that she's being played by Joystick and will stick with Djinn and Roundhouse during the th Deathstroke will come from her being mightily jealous at Damian (when I still think he's crushing on Emiko but now refuses to act on it).
I was sad to see my two favorites Robins fighting like that, but I loved how level-headed Jason was, from beginning to end. It shows that he's really far more experienced than Damian, in real life that is, if not in pure combat skills. I felt it made Red Hood a really strong brand, to see him both dish out such pain but also display genuine sorrow for Damian's actions.
I think he realizes perfectly that Damian is coming out of a very bad time, with him losing his trust in his father (which had been a staple of his character before, as seen in Metal) and that Dick is no more (for the time being), which leads to Damian losing it. I think both of them will have very interesting developments in the future, if Lobdell make uses of this fight.[/QUOTE]
Damian has lost both his "dads"; I thought it was nice that Jason had compassion for him.
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That annual was brutal but i liked it.
Though anyone got a clue about the box? DId I miss an outside issue?
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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4170552]Surprised that they let Glass write Jason kicking Damian's ass though, normally Jason is editorial go-to guy to get beaten on crossovers and guest appearances.[/QUOTE]That only happens when he appears in other Batbooks (and sometimes in his own book), but not really in appearances in other books.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4170656]That annual was brutal but i liked it.
Though anyone got a clue about the box? Did I miss an outside issue?[/QUOTE]
The box appeared for the first time in TT #26 when Damian stole it from Alfred. Nothing is mentioned about its content there. Only that "Red Hood will no longer be a problem." with the help of the box.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4170678]The box appeared for the first time in TT #26 when Damian stole it from Alfred. Nothing is mentioned about its content there. Only that "Red Hood will no longer be a problem." with the help of the box.[/QUOTE]
Interesting.
[SPOIL]A memento from Jason's Mom?[/SPOIL]
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4170699]Interesting.
[SPOIL]A memento from Jason's Mom?[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]
I considered that but I couldn't come up with a reason why Alfred would have it, why it would be stashed away in a bat-box and why Damian thought it would be enough to put Jason down.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4170699]Interesting.
[SPOIL]A memento from Jason's Mom?[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]
[SPOIL]My guess at least would be that in the box is something very personal to Jason that can hurt him emotionally, not physically like Damian probably thinks. Maybe the content is connected to Jason thinking that he hasn't a soul.[/SPOIL]
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[QUOTE=Arsenal;4170766]I considered that but I couldn't come up with a reason why Alfred would have it, why it would be stashed away in a bat-box and why Damian thought it would be enough to put Jason down.[/QUOTE]
For Alfred, I just figured Jason would trust the Old Man to keep it secret and safe. For who would suspect or ask the Butler.
The Damien part...yeah stumped there. Maybe the lingering questions surrounding them is a trigger/BSoD for Jason. Maybe there's a retconned element there that he could never square when he returned to life.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4170656]That annual was brutal but i liked it.
Though anyone got a clue about the box? DId I miss an outside issue?[/QUOTE]
Jason's wife's head?
Sorry. I'll show myself out.
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[QUOTE=Arctic Cyclist;4170792]Jason's wife's head?
Sorry. I'll show myself out.[/QUOTE]
[I]Pirates of the Caribbean[/I] joke?
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[QUOTE=Arctic Cyclist;4170792]Jason's wife's head?
Sorry. I'll show myself out.[/QUOTE]
Artemis is still alive! She's just stuck in another reality of some sort...
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4170799][I]Pirates of the Caribbean[/I] joke?[/QUOTE]
Se7en joke, when Brad Pitt screams "what's in the BOX?!"
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[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4170869]Se7en joke, when Brad Pitt screams "what's in the BOX?!"[/QUOTE]
Lol in another thread I had asked if I was the only one hearing Pitt's voice saying that anytime someone mentioned "the box". Guess I wasnt...
As for the box,
[spoil]to me it seems like it may be something Bruce had for safekeeping with Jason's knowledge, not something he has been holding onto to use against Jason. Jason actually says Batman wouldn't stoop so low as to do that. [/spoil] I kind of expect to be underwhelmed by its revelation in the end though...
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4170772][SPOIL]My guess at least would be that in the box is something very personal to Jason that can hurt him emotionally, not physically like Damian probably thinks. Maybe the content is connected to Jason thinking that he hasn't a soul.[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]
That's what I speculated in the Damian thread, too.
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[QUOTE=Schumiac;4170927]Lol in another thread I had asked if I was the only one hearing Pitt's voice saying that anytime someone mentioned "the box". Guess I wasnt...
As for the box,
[spoil]to me it seems like it may be something Bruce had for safekeeping with Jason's knowledge, not something he has been holding onto to use against Jason. Jason actually says Batman wouldn't stoop so low as to do that. [/spoil] I kind of expect to be underwhelmed by its revelation in the end though...[/QUOTE]
In this box he has something to use against Jason...
[spoil]
Something related with Jason parents?[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=adrikito;4171177]In this box he has something to use against Jason...
[spoil]
Something related with Jason parents?[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Well the way I see it,
it is either a "physical" weapon -which is highly doubtful, though if it is then it would suggest Jason isn't %100 plain old human, because if there is something out there specificly harmful to a single person than I would guess there is something "more" to them than a "normal" human being? or it is something that can hurt him emotionally... which doesnt make much sense because it seems [spoil]Jason already knows what is in it, so the box being opened and its contents revealed shouldn't be such earthshattering... it could be that he knows what the thing in it is about and that it is hurtful, just not what the "details" it entails are... which should still Mean he wont be totally blindsided, he can brace himself for it so shouldn't be something that can completely take him down on the spot? [/spoil]
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[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4170869]Se7en joke, when Brad Pitt screams "what's in the BOX?!"[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clarification. :)
I have a new theory about Jason's threat:
[spoil]Jason knew that The Other set them up against one another and suspected that The Other probably was watching their fight to see the outcome. So Jason gave him something to watch and to let him think that Jason and Damian are going separate ways from now on.
At least I don't think that this was Jason's last appearance in Teen Titans. Especially not with introducing "the box". I highly doubt that Glass created the box so that someone else can reveal its secret in another title.
I'd also like to know how Jason got all his information about the Other so far. He was Damian's only informant. Seems to be pretty hard to find any information about that person(?).[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=Schumiac;4171210]Well the way I see it,
it is either a "physical" weapon -which is highly doubtful, though if it is then it would suggest Jason isn't %100 plain old human, because if there is something out there specificly harmful to a single person than I would guess there is something "more" to them than a "normal" human being? or it is something that can hurt him emotionally... which doesnt make much sense because it seems [/QUOTE]
[SPOIL]Right, on one hand it's unlikely to be a weapon to take Jason down, but if a supernatural thing, then Lobdell can tie it up with the 'lack of soul' thing that he's been hinting at for a long time. That said, doesn't seem more important than the whole crusade if it only concerns his safety and mystical nature, unless this thing can turn Jason into a weapon that harm others. On the other hand, emotional weapons always tend to hurt Jason more. But then why have it in a box if he already knows what's inside?[/SPOIL]
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Could be too that Damian meant to destroy the Box contents. Jason said that, at least for him, those contents were more important that (Bruce's) crusade.
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4171486]Thanks for the clarification. :)
I have a new theory about Jason's threat:
[spoil]Jason knew that The Other set them up against one another and suspected that The Other probably was watching their fight to see the outcome. So Jason gave him something to watch and to let him think that Jason and Damian are going separate ways from now on.
At least I don't think that this was Jason's last appearance in Teen Titans. Especially not with introducing "the box". I highly doubt that Glass created the box so that someone else can reveal its secret in another title.
I'd also like to know how Jason got all his information about the Other so far. He was Damian's only informant. Seems to be pretty hard to find any information about that person(?).[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[SPOIL]If there's indeed a degree of collaboration between Lobdell and Glass, the box might be passed on to Lobdell to take care of. Knowing Lobdell's tendency to reference relevant stuff in other titles, it's likely he wouldn't leave this one out.[/SPOIL]
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The problem with the "box" is, if it is that crucial and important and harmful... I don't see Alfred or Bruce just letting Damian to take it with him to face Jason... Alfred interfered, yes, and pretty much let Damina go with a "you are wrong about this young man". I don't expect Alfred to try and get into a physical fight with Damian but I also don't think he would keep it a secret and not inform Bruce if this is such a major issue...
This is why, although I am intrigued by it, I expect to be eventually let down by what the box contains and go "this is what the whole fuss was about?"
[spoil]I don't think it can be something that will turn Jason into a weapon, as makes no sense for Damian to bring in something that can make Jason more formidable a foe. I think what is in the box is clearly meant to hurt Jason somehow or influence him in a certain way...
and really wish they avoid going the "lacks a soul" thing. If memory serves they did that with White Canary in the Arrow series so would be a copy of that but more than that if they go the "box contains a weapon" route than basically this is a vampire story. Resurrected? Check. Lacks a soul? Check. Can be killed with a special weapon? Check. Creative? Cross out... [/spoil]
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[QUOTE=Schumiac;4172131][spoil]I don't think it can be something that will turn Jason into a weapon, as makes no sense for Damian to bring in something that can make Jason more formidable a foe. I think what is in the box is clearly meant to hurt Jason somehow or influence him in a certain way...
and really wish they avoid going the "lacks a soul" thing. If memory serves they did that with White Canary in the Arrow series so would be a copy of that but more than that if they go the "box contains a weapon" route than basically this is a vampire story. Resurrected? Check. Lacks a soul? Check. Can be killed with a special weapon? Check. Creative? Cross out...[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[SPOIL]I think it's also possible that Damian had the wrong idea about what the box supposedly can do.
Whether the box plays a part in Jason's story going forward, the "lack of a soul" has already seemingly been a plot point in waiting for a long time. Back in the N52 Jason capable of learning some mystical arts kinda indicative of him having a bit of supernatural side. In Rebirth the lack of soul thing iirc has been hinted at about 3 times or so.[/SPOIL]
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I'd like to point out that, judging by the solicitations of the upcoming TT and Deathstroke crossover, this will be the second time within a year that Slade and Jason don't meet because Slade goes to prison and Jason doesn't.
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Jason and Damian are definitely hardcore enough to put on a show and beat the crap out of each other to fake out an "all-seeing-monitor" style super-villain.
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On Reddit, someone suggested that the box content could be Jason's most cherished memory, the one he gave away in the old RHatO run.
I don't know why and how this memory should be in the mystery box (and I'd actually prefer the content to be something else that better fits all the in-story reactions shown so far). But I like the thought of Jason having this memory back. It's such a heartwarming moment with Bruce.
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[URL="https://exploringthetimelab.blogspot.com"]ExploringTheTimeLab [/URL]reviews the Annual. I've been waiting for this and as usual, very comprehensive and worth reading.
[[URL="https://exploringthetimelab.blogspot.com/2019/01/teen-titans-annual-2.html"]Link[/URL]]
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[QUOTE=Sergard;4172893]On Reddit, someone suggested that the box content could be Jason's most cherished memory, the one he gave away in the old RHatO run.
I don't know why and how this memory should be in the mystery box (and I'd actually prefer the content to be something else that better fits all the in-story reactions shown so far). But I like the thought of Jason having this memory back. It's such a heartwarming moment with Bruce.[/QUOTE]
That's a nice theory actually. Not in term of its power over Jason, but rather the sentimental value. Did Jason get it back after the memory loss arc or S'Aru still has it, I can't remember.
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Every time I'm more and more convinced that it's an item that is emotionaly tied to Jason alone, and only bears meaning for him; and that Damian was theatening to destroy it, not using it against Jason. Or wasn't even really aware of what was inside the box, even.
That, or it really was nothing but a random plot device that we will never see again. I hope it's not this case.
Could be the whole reason why Jason is doing what he's doing too: fighting against the evil of the world, from before his days as Robin even. Some new background story. Or yeah, I guess it could be that cherished memory :).
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[QUOTE=RedBird;4173991]Have you guys seen this statue!? It's so adorable!
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The face of Tim is a bit off, but it's a very cool statue. Lovely.
