Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4118866]I get where you're from, and yeah, I wouldn't say Jason in Autumn of Life is Sue-ish according to your definition either. What I feel is that the story often presents a situation that makes Jason look too good that Bruce and even the Justice League either feel bad or feel awed in return. It's a little bit one-sided because Jason has moved on and isn't (or doesn't appear) bothered about his past with Bruce (which is good, I approve), but also because we have a lot of outsider POV looking at Jason and not a lot of the reverse. As someone who reads for Jason, I kinda feel bad for the other characters. But again, I didn't read the story in its entirety to really justify my criticism and as you also said, as the story progresses, it becomes a non issue. That's why I want to give it another chance.[/QUOTE]
I get what you’re saying and it can definitely feel one sided but I feel like it gets more balanced out as the story goes on (maybe not so much with the league but definitely with the BatFam). Especially after a certain event in the story.

I totally forgot about that fanfic although I love the idea.

"[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/6700969/chapters/15325555"]With Violet Light[/URL]" by [B]Evilpixie[/B] - Alternative version of BUtH in which Jason becomes a Star Sapphire.


It's probably a good idea to later collect all recommendations in posts sorted by theme or so. So we can keep linked posts to a minimum and give a better overview for other users.

I always wanted to see Jason cross paths with this guy.

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[QUOTE=The Anti-Geek;4119183]I always wanted to see Jason cross paths with this guy.

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And who's that guy?

[QUOTE=Sergard;4119212]And who's that guy?[/QUOTE]


Oh that is Vigilante. (Adrian Chase) He was Frank Castle before Frank Castle pretty much.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4117052]I've read two of those: Eternal Soliloquy and What was left behind. Both pretty good, especially Eternal Soliloquy, even if it is very sad. For whatever reason I didn't bookmark them, so thanks a lot!



Thanks!

All those years of training for being a libraian somehow pay off. I'm not Batgirl, but having fun with our hobbies is not bad.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome! I've learned my lesson about not bookmarking fics I like when I first read them, so glad I could help! xD
This is exactly the kind of thing library training should be used for!

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4118058]snipped awesome urban fantasy rec post[/QUOTE]
This post is amazing! I think the only one I've actually read some of is 'The Many Deaths of Jason Todd' (though the title 'Call me Dawnslight' seems familiar so I probably wrongly scrolled by it). I started it, but cannot remember why I never finished it.
I'm intrigued by all of these and will check them out! I'm especially curious about the Dreamscape series, since I love the Vertigo-based DC mythos.

Re: on shipping, I don't really mind what the ship is necessarily. If it's well written, I'll at least try it, but thank you for at least mentioning what ships there are, if any. The whole post is super helpful!
[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4117205]Also, welcome aboard @Lirica! I hope you enjoy our little group.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! I'm definitely already enjoying it here! :)


[QUOTE=Sergard;4119136]"[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/6700969/chapters/15325555"]With Violet Light[/URL]" by [B]Evilpixie[/B] - Alternative version of BUtH in which Jason becomes a Star Sapphire.[/QUOTE]
I've seen this fic and I've heard it's very good. My jump to the main DC line was through GL, but at that time I had pretty much no idea of Jason, so I skipped over it. Good to see it and try it out now.

Ah yes, I definitely recommend 'With Violet Light' as well! :D

[QUOTE=The Anti-Geek;4119217]Oh that is Vigilante. (Adrian Chase) He was Frank Castle before Frank Castle pretty much.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. I googled him. There have been a few Vigilantes so far. And since Danny Fairchild seems to be the new Vigilante in current continuity it's probably unlikely for Adrian to take up the mantle, or?
Has Adrian Chase even been mentioned since New52 started? His wiki entry says that he took his own life and was replaced by his brother Dorian as Vigilante in old continuity.

Somehow Adrian's costume reminded me of the character Raze from "Silencer". Although after looking Raze' costume up (picture from Silencer #11, Raze is the guy in blue on the left) his costume is more different than I remembered.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/NxMXAEG.jpg[/IMG]


But in general I'm always in favor of Jason meeting other anti-heroes.


[QUOTE=Lirica;4119221]I've seen this fic and I've heard it's very good. My jump to the main DC line was through GL, but at that time I had pretty much no idea of Jason, so I skipped over it. Good to see it and try it out now.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe you'll like "[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/12851016/chapters/29346771"]Castle in the Air[/URL]" by rredhoods. Here, Jason becomes a blue lantern. The fanfic has three chapters at the moment and so far not a lot has happened. But I'm hopeful that future chapters will be more interesting. Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz are also part of the story. It has a Jason/Kyle pairing but the story is T-rated. So there won't be any explicit stuff.

[QUOTE=The Anti-Geek;4119217]Oh that is Vigilante. (Adrian Chase) He was Frank Castle before Frank Castle pretty much.[/QUOTE]

Wait, he was that old? I thought he's a young character

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4119312]Wait, he was that old? I thought he's a young character[/QUOTE]There have been several characters with this mantle. Adrian Chase was created by Marv Wolvmannhis in 1982 in New Teen Titans and than got his own solo series.

Here's the finalized cover of Red Hood: Outlaw #30. I believe, it hasn't been posted yet, or?

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And here is the original version for comparison.

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I do love the blue tone of this final version more.

[QUOTE=Lirica;4119221]You're welcome! I've learned my lesson about not bookmarking fics I like when I first read them, so glad I could help! xD
This is exactly the kind of thing library training should be used for!
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Well...
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[QUOTE=Lirica;4119221]
This post is amazing! I think the only one I've actually read some of is 'The Many Deaths of Jason Todd' (though the title 'Call me Dawnslight' seems familiar so I probably wrongly scrolled by it). I started it, but cannot remember why I never finished it.
I'm intrigued by all of these and will check them out! I'm especially curious about the Dreamscape series, since I love the Vertigo-based DC mythos.

Re: on shipping, I don't really mind what the ship is necessarily. If it's well written, I'll at least try it, but thank you for at least mentioning what ships there are, if any. The whole post is super helpful!
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Thanks, and you're welcome :). Glad to be of some help, and I love sharing stuff I like, to be honest. It's like a bit of an addiction. You can see how often I ramble and ramble about off topic books or shows or whatever because I love to make other people know about them (and hopeful, love them as much ;D).
About the shippings, I am not a romance reader (unfortunately, because my mother had a ton of those books at some point, years ago), but I like any kind of relationship when is written in a believable or interesting way. I like character development and good dynamics in the stories I invest my time in (if they are not pure crack or have other qualities that get me interested in them, like a good mystery behind).

[QUOTE=Sergard;4119136]I totally forgot about that fanfic although I love the idea.

"[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/6700969/chapters/15325555"]With Violet Light[/URL]" by [B]Evilpixie[/B] - Alternative version of BUtH in which Jason becomes a Star Sapphire.
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I usually click in all the "Jason is now a lantern" for a reason I cannot pinpoint (maybe I just like the idea). I wonder if I've read this one and forgotten about it because all the time has passed or I missed it; so thanks for linking it. I'll know soon which one is XD. I do remember reading "Castle in the Air".

I didn't know there is a limit quota to quotations for message. The more you know.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4119136]
It's probably a good idea to later collect all recommendations in posts sorted by theme or so. So we can keep linked posts to a minimum and give a better overview for other users.[/QUOTE]

Understood. I'm going to link all the ghost and horror stories in my post, and then collect the others in a few more as we see them being posted. One for "In which Jason is another kind of hero" could fit these Lantern and some other few works: it's a common trope, I think. Another one could be "Jason moves on in his life", pretty common storyline too.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4119533]Here's the finalized cover of Red Hood: Outlaw #30. I believe, it hasn't been posted yet, or?

[IMG]https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-3183694.jpg[/IMG]

And here is the original version for comparison.

[IMG]https://static2.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/REDHOTO-Cv30.jpg?q=35&w=864&h=1311&fit=crop[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I don't get why these little changes, but I guess this time it looks better for me. The colour of the light was good for an interior, but for a cover I think it sort of distracts the eye a bit.

Edit: about other anti-heroes, I was skimming over The Spectre for a story I have in mind, and I think it would be interesting if he encounters this entity at some point. Not an arc, not taking the role: just a one-shot story.

Well then, the post about [URL="https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119829-Jason-Todd-Robin-Red-Hood-Arkham-Knight-Prince-of-Gotham-Appreciation-2019&p=4118058&viewfull=1#post4118058"]Ghosts and Urban Fantasy[/URL] fics is already edited. If you want to add any other work, you're welcome to do so.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4119307]Then maybe you'll like "[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/12851016/chapters/29346771"]Castle in the Air[/URL]" by rredhoods. Here, Jason becomes a blue lantern. The fanfic has three chapters at the moment and so far not a lot has happened. But I'm hopeful that future chapters will be more interesting. Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz are also part of the story. It has a Jason/Kyle pairing but the story is T-rated. So there won't be any explicit stuff.[/QUOTE]
Oh cool! I'll check this one out. Jason as a blue lantern sounds just as interesting as violet to me. Also, great that Simon, Jess, and Kyle will be in it.
Huh, a Jason/Kyle pairing? Okay, sure. Wasn't expecting that, though.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4119639]Thanks, and you're welcome :). Glad to be of some help, and I love sharing stuff I like, to be honest. It's like a bit of an addiction. You can see how often I ramble and ramble about off topic books or shows or whatever because I love to make other people know about them (and hopeful, love them as much ;D).
About the shippings, I am not a romance reader (unfortunately, because my mother had a ton of those books at some point, years ago), but [B]I like any kind of relationship when is written in a believable or interesting way. I like character development and good dynamics in the stories I invest my time in[/B] (if they are not pure crack or have other qualities that get me interested in them, like a good mystery behind).
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I'd say it's a good addiction to have. ;D I'm the same way!
Bolded for truth on shippings/relationships!

Jason meeting The Spectre would be so cool. That's another DC character that's been recommended to me and I've looked into, so I'd like that very much.

JJMK blessing the fandom with another awesome artwork:

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Funny and gorgeous at the same time. :D

Did they ever elaborate on what exactly Superman meant that Batman vouched for the Outlaws?

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They just came back from outer space, so before that the only time Jason would meet Batman was after Night of The Owls, during the War of The Robins, where Damian challenged everyone and then worked together with everyone to safe the city from a band of old villains looking for revenge.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4121629]Did they ever elaborate on what exactly Superman meant that Batman vouched for the Outlaws?

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They just came back from outer space, so before that the only time Jason would meet Batman was after Night of The Owls, during the War of The Robins, where Damian challenged everyone and then worked together with everyone to safe the city from a band of old villains looking for revenge.[/QUOTE]

He also helped Bruce during the events of Batman Incorporated.

[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4121296]JJMK blessing the fandom with another awesome artwork:

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I'm jealous. I wish I were funny. I wish I could render colour that way :(
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I'm afraid I cannot post a new collecting recs post today. I've been out from home until now and am quite tired, sorry.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4121907]I'm jealous. I wish I were funny. I wish I could render colour that way :(
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I'm afraid I cannot post a new collecting recs post today. I've been out from home until now and am quite tired, sorry.[/QUOTE]

Get some rest, Zaresh. You deserve it!

[QUOTE=kaimaciel;4122058]Get some rest, Zaresh. You deserve it![/QUOTE]

I love you guys. But you already know :D
I'm planning on drawing our little roleplaying party of Red Hoods (previous thread) this week or the next one. So... There will be some delayed "Día de Reyes" (Epiphany's Day) presents from me to you, too.

[QUOTE=Lirica;4121123]Oh cool! I'll check this one out. Jason as a blue lantern sounds just as interesting as violet to me. Also, great that Simon, Jess, and Kyle will be in it.
Huh, a Jason/Kyle pairing? Okay, sure. Wasn't expecting that, though.[/QUOTE]

No one is ever expecting Jason/Kyle. My first reaction, when I encountered that pairing in a fanfic for the first time, was "Why?". It's crack and the fan-base is small - but most fanfics about the pairing are surprisingly nice and more on the T-rated side instead of E or M. If I have to make a guess, the fascination for that pairing started with "Countdown" in which Kyle and Jason are on the same team and fight like cat and dog from the get-go. (And two male characters with a tense/conflicted relationship look in general very attractive to slash-writers.) Here's a page from Countdown #33:

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rEcu51d.jpg[/IMG]

But if you don't mind the pairing, here's another fanfic in which Jason joins different lantern corps (short stories).
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/14381127"]i deserve that, don't i, some sort of blazing love that i can live with[/URL] by evanescent

Some fans of the pairing even make jokes about Jason's quote "I've got no problem with Kyle. He's great. He's dreamy." because out of context it could (obviously) be interpreted differently.

Although my personal favorite "out of context"-quote - with corresponding panel - is from Batman #368. (That's pre-crisis Jason)

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[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1082731607255965696?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet"]Red Artemonica[/URL]

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[QUOTE=RedBird;4124309][URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1082731607255965696?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet"]Red Artemonica[/URL]

[Img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwaioKTU0AAx9nR?format=jpg&name=large [/img][/QUOTE]

Man, Soy really likes Rebirth Outlaws. So do I. And seeing things like this just makes me want Artemis and Bizz back all the more.

I honestly think the JayKyle shipping is especially hilarious when you realize that Kyle is even older than Dick. IIRC, he always has been between the Dick and Bruce generation, even if he is a 90's character. There are not many characters in that range of age, so I guess you have to pair him with someone outside big teams like the Justice League and the Green Lanterns. But even with that in mind, I too think they make fore some interesting dynamic (and it's true that Kyle is dreamy, not so much great: you can bet he will screw up badly something, at some point. He will get very mad too. And even if he's not dumb, he is incredible, unbelievable naive at times—and at other, very distrustful). Lots of potential for good stories there.

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So, on the topic of Lanterns and Jason, here it is the post for the "[B]In which Jason is another kind of hero[/B]" category. This category includes Jason as a non caped hero (like a cop, for example) or Jason taking on other mantle (like a Lantern, or being some other character's sidekick). So far, we have the following recommendations:

Recommended by @Sergard:

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/6700969/chapters/15325555"]With Violet Light[/URL], by @Evilpixie. Alternative version of B:UtH in which Jason becomes a Star Sapphire.
—Zaresh here: Teen audiences (lots of foul language), no shipping at all. It's drama and action and angst, but also a story about Jason making peace with what has happened to him and reconnecting with his family. Turns out I hadn't read that fic: now I have. Very good.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/12851016/chapters/29346771"]Castle in the Air[/URL], by @rredhoods. Here, Jason becomes a blue lantern. The fanfic has three chapters at the moment and so far not a lot has happened. But I'm hopeful that future chapters will be more interesting. Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz are also part of the story. It has a Jason/Kyle pairing but the story is T-rated. So there won't be any explicit stuff.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/14381127"]I deserve that, don't i, some sort of blazing love that i can live with[/URL], by @evanescent. If you don't mind the pairing (Jason/Kyle), here's another fanfic in which Jason joins different lantern corps (short stories).
—Zaresh here: I remember reading this fic. It's heavy in the romance, but aimed for teens and SFW.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/13975638/chapters/32176095"]Sometimes Goodbye's the Only Way[/URL], by @KatastrophicTodd. A fic in which Jason works for Amanda Waller. Drama, general audiences, no ships.

@Zaresh (that's me) recommendations from this point on:

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/14927256/chapters/34580934"]Well, When You Go[/URL], by @dnawhite76 and @Prubbs. This is fitting this category by a hair, but I want to put it here. After Bruce dies, the cowl goes to Jason, to surprise of most people (but Tim). It's heavy in drama, has a little bit of JayTim, and has violence and character's death. Jason making himself a good Batman, and learning to forgive and value himself is moving. It also has supernatural elements as plot points. I honestly liked this work a lot.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/series/4698"]Left Behind But Not For Long[/URL], by @meyari. Again, it barely fits this category, but what can I do. Jason becomes a multiverse adventurer (leaving behind his Red Hood persona in the end). Mature readers, with some explicit content. It's a rather old series, but it was the first in which I saw an attempt to explain Morrison's redhead Jason. Black haired Jason gets replaced by another universe Jason, who is a psychotic psychopath, before Countdown finishes and Jason ends stuck in another universe. It's, besides a JayTim romance story, a cool sci fi story with Jason as some sort of Odysseus traveling across a wide multiverse, trying and struggling to come home, and meeting different versions of himself and Tim. It's sweet and sad, and even if it's a little self-satisfying and Jason is a bit of a Mary Sue at times, I definitely would recommend it.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/13689612/chapters/31443330"]Gotham Banksy[/URL], by @LananiA3O. I already recommended it, but then, it fits the theme, soo... Jason becomes a graffiti artist, or more like graffiti madman and delinquent, instead of the Red Hood. A mystery story with a very dark and gritty tone. Drama and mystery, no shipping, teen readers.

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/series/1220027"]Hard Season[/URL] is an ongoing series by @bewaretheboojum. Jason is a police detective working in Gotham. He meets Red Robin, and stuff happens. It has JayTim romance, yeah, and has [B]explicit content[/B]. But the second part is a pretty decent mystery story and I suspect the following works (it there are more) will fall under that category.

Updated [B]01/26/2019[/B]
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/15444432/chapters/35849001"]Quarter past midnight[/URL], by @Aaren. This work is mostly about how Jason rediscovers his family; but because this Jason is an amnesiac teen that made himself a nurse, and that's an important plot point in this story, I'm going to add this fic here as well. [B]Teen readers, general relationships[/B]. Very enjoyable.

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I have more fics with Jason being something else, but apparently I didn't bookmark them and cannot remember enough information for finding them without investing hours in my inquiry. More recommendations are welcome.

Next list will probably be the "Jason moves on with his life". I was thinking about putting all the time travel and age-deage fics in the same post, too. Also, related to that one: I totally forgot to add [URL="https://archiveofourown.org/users/Lysical/pseuds/Lysical"]@Lysical[/URL] to the writers list and am going to edit that post to add them.

So he's Babs age?

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4124351]So he's Babs age?[/QUOTE]

In old cont, to my knowledge and understanding, he was around the 28-30yo mark (while Dick was around 27, iirc).

Edit: adding now Aahz's rec writer to the authors list as well. A category for "not capes" fics (or almost not capes, or Bruce being a dad and Jason a son) will definitely come. I need to find a proper name for that one.

@fanfic recomandations

Some I think were fun, and were not mentioned sofar:

[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/41432/Silver-Spider"]Silver Spider[/URL] had a few good ones (basically an AU were Talia acts more like her classic version)

[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/series/6909"]No Bats In The Belfry[/URL] (a no capes AU) and [URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/553170/chapters/985775"]Little Wing and Big Bird[/URL] (a Dick and Jason team up during his time as Robin) by Airawyn are

Not really a Jason story but [URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/3433535/Glimare"]Glimare's[/URL] "Daddy not Bats" (an AU were Bruce retires as Batman to raise his Kids) is also really cute

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I have more fics with Jason being something else, but apparently I didn't bookmark them and cannot remember enough information for finding them without investing hours in my inquiry. More recommendations are welcome.[/QUOTE]

I feel you. I often forget to bookmark fics too because I think "I'll never forget that great fic." - and then I forget it. And months later the fic is hard to find.

Which information do you remember? Maybe I or someone else can help.

So, with the return of Young Justice (animated series), browsing Young Justice Fanfics, and in general, thinking about the whole setup, Jason from Earth 16 would have had a closer/better relationship with Bruce, Dick, and Babs than the main continuity version. Along with that, it stands to reason he would have at least had better chances to form bonds with the other teen heroes.

Which means, if Jason does return, it would be most likely quite a bit different than the revenge driven Under the Red Hood of mainline continuity. I've come across a few such fanfics, but I would still love to see what Greg Weisman and crew could do with such a development.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4124398]I feel you. I often forget to bookmark fics too because I think "I'll never forget that great fic." - and then I forget it. And months later the fic is hard to find.

Which information do you remember? Maybe I or someone else can help.[/QUOTE]

I probably didn't bookmark them because I though they were so-so or weren't finished yet (but forgot to subscribe to). Or I directly forgot to bookmark after kudoing, which is something that keeps happening even with works I like a lot and are finished.

Memories are fuzzy. I remember a few about Jason being Catwoman's or Ivy's sidekick, another one with him being a cop in Blûdhaven, I remember reading a few in which he works for Talia after coming back from death (one was quite good and I think it was a three parter), another two about him taking into the mantle of Lady Shiva (one of which I liked a lot too, but was short lived, iirc). And at this moment those are the ones that I can remember.

[URL="https://www.cbr.com/red-hood-jason-todd-robin-chronology-books/"]How to Read Jason Todd's Journey From Robin to Red Hood[/URL]

The article isn't that bad. Although I would have added Batman: The Caped Crusader Vol. 1 between Second Chances and Death in the family.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4123885]No one is ever expecting Jason/Kyle. My first reaction, when I encountered that pairing in a fanfic for the first time, was "Why?". It's crack and the fan-base is small - but most fanfics about the pairing are surprisingly nice and more on the T-rated side instead of E or M. If I have to make a guess, the fascination for that pairing started with "Countdown" in which Kyle and Jason are on the same team and fight like cat and dog from the get-go. (And two male characters with a tense/conflicted relationship look in general very attractive to slash-writers.) Here's a page from Countdown #33:

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rEcu51d.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if that was intentional on your part, but good Monty Python reference. ;)
Oh, I have not read Countdown, though, I have heard of it (and now thinking about it I've seen fanart)--mostly to not read it. Does their animosity turn into a fight(s) over Donna? And also, what even prompted Jason to saying that line in context?
[QUOTE=Sergard;4123885]But if you don't mind the pairing, here's another fanfic in which Jason joins different lantern corps (short stories).
[URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/14381127"]i deserve that, don't i, some sort of blazing love that i can live with[/URL] by evanescent

Some fans of the pairing even make jokes about Jason's quote "I've got no problem with Kyle. He's great. He's dreamy." because out of context it could (obviously) be interpreted differently.[/QUOTE]
I have no problem with the pairing, just kinda surprised. Nice to hear there are some nice stories. I'll check out this rec for sure!

Also, what is the actual context of that panel of pre-crisis Jaspon?

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4124331]I honestly think the JayKyle shipping is especially hilarious when you realize that Kyle is even older than Dick. IIRC, he always has been between the Dick and Bruce generation, even if he is a 90's character. There are not many characters in that range of age, so I guess you have to pair him with someone outside big teams like the Justice League and the Green Lanterns. But even with that in mind, I too think they make fore some interesting dynamic (and it's true that Kyle is dreamy, not so much great: you can bet he will screw up badly something, at some point. He will get very mad too. And even if he's not dumb, he is incredible, unbelievable naive at times—and at other, very distrustful). Lots of potential for good stories there.[/QUOTE]
Kyle's older than Dick? I always got the impression he was younger because Wally and Dick seemed to be around the same age to me and I could've sworn it has been said Kyle is (or was at the time) younger than Wally. It has been a while, so I might be remembering wrong.
I think his dumb/naive moments make him endearing (though he has done some cool stuff). lol Oh man, not the first panel I saw of Kyle, but I always think of the one in GL #94 with Suberboy.
Not really sure on the potential for good stories between Jason and Kyle, but I'd be interested, especially when I read more on Jason!

Love those other recs you listed too! They all sound good. I think I need a word document to keep track of all of this. :p

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Kyle's older than Dick? I always got the impression he was younger because Wally and Dick seemed to be around the same age to me and I could've sworn it has been said Kyle is (or was at the time) younger than Wally. It has been a while, so I might be remembering wrong.
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Mmm... Maybe the dynamics where like that because Kyle was newer in the job. I recall reading somewhere that he was in that range of age (the reason why I said he was); and I think Dick never got to reach 30 before FP. I may be wrong, I'm unsure now. It's not like I've read a lot of cosmic DC (even if I've been trying to catch, because I like it), and the JL books interest me just middly. I think I'll trust you, if you say that you read in some comic that he was actually younger.

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[B]I think his dumb/naive moments make him endearing[/B] (though he has done some cool stuff). lol Oh man, not the first panel I saw of Kyle, but I always think of the one in GL #94 with Suberboy.
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Oh, they do. But they're so palm in the face triggering that one has to point then. He also has cool moments, for sure. I think he has a quite good range of traits that make for an enjoyable character. I'm not a fan, but I like what I've read.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4124424][URL="https://www.cbr.com/red-hood-jason-todd-robin-chronology-books/"]How to Read Jason Todd's Journey From Robin to Red Hood[/URL]

The article isn't that bad. Although I would have added Batman: The Caped Crusader Vol. 1 between Second Chances and Death in the family.[/QUOTE]

I disagree in that Jason's really not an important part in The Cult, and lists Brothers in Blood without saying how skippable that book is. It does mention that Countdown is so-so (says you can skip it), but then it doesn't say anything against Battle for the Cowl (which, really, is very, very skippable). And then it mentions that you can probably be safe skipping all Morrison's run in Batman and Robin and Batman Inc. if you're only interested in Jason. I have opinions \o/.

But overall, I think it could be a very good linkable replacement for the reading guide / recom. reads in the OP.

[QUOTE=RedBird;4124309][URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/dextersoy/status/1082731607255965696?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet"]Red Artemonica[/URL]

[Img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwaioKTU0AAx9nR?format=jpg&name=large [/img][/QUOTE]

Hooo. Makes me want to see Biz and Jason in this style.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4124424][URL="https://www.cbr.com/red-hood-jason-todd-robin-chronology-books/"]How to Read Jason Todd's Journey From Robin to Red Hood[/URL]

The article isn't that bad. Although I would have added Batman: The Caped Crusader Vol. 1 between Second Chances and Death in the family.[/QUOTE]

This makes me think... Can we also add links to good articles about Jason on first page? Can help clear up a lot of misinformation for people who don't read material related to him.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4125085]This makes me think... Can we also add links to good articles about Jason on first page?[/QUOTE]

I guess? It's not against this board rules, right? We're linking outside websites half the time.

Unless, it is against the board rules.