Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

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[I]Happy Birthday, Jason Peter Todd! ♥ [/I]

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[I]Happy birthday to the best boy in the world[/I]

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[I]Let’s pretend for the day, that when Bruce carried Jason home that night, he was sleeping.
Happy Birthday Jason[/I]

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Today I have received my copy of the [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] (which isn't very "ultimate" at all)
Here are the entries for our three Outlaws. (Sorry for the bad quality. But everything should be readable at least.)
[B]
Jason Todd/Red Hood[/B]

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[B]Artemis[/B]

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[B]
Bizarro[/B]

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You know what would have been fun?

10 year old Jon Kent meeting Biz and technically being the older brother. Would have been a fun interaction.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4517538]Today I have received my copy of the [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] (which isn't very "ultimate" at all)
Here are the entries for our three Outlaws. (Sorry for the bad quality. But everything should be readable at least.)
[B]
Jason Todd/Red Hood[/B]
[/QUOTE]

Seems like they wrote the entry with Camuncolli's costume in mind and swapped it with Woods' at the last second. Those descriptions about the hood and the symbol make no sense with Woods' costume. Does Roy have an entry?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. That definitely wasn’t written with the Woods suit in mind.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4517538]Today I have received my copy of the [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] (which isn't very "ultimate" at all)
Here are the entries for our three Outlaws. (Sorry for the bad quality. But everything should be readable at least.)
[B]
Jason Todd/Red Hood[/B]

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[B]Artemis[/B]

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[B]
Bizarro[/B]

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Did they update this every story arc or is this the first Rebirth version?
Oh, and could you please look Dick up for me? Looking at Jason, I'm wondering if he's portrayed as Nightwing or Ric because if it's the latter I'm ready to throw hands

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4518039]Did they update this every story arc or is this the first Rebirth version?
Oh, and could you please look Dick up for me? Looking at Jason, I'm wondering if he's portrayed as Nightwing or Ric because if it's the latter I'm ready to throw hands[/QUOTE]

Seems to me that they just mix the most widespread info about the characters at the moment and go with it. Jason wasn't resurrected by the pit, and his all-blades were neither (for me, at least) a gift nor from the League. It's not really too accurate, I think.

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[I]#jasontodd #redhood birthday wip[/I]

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[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4517820]Seems like they wrote the entry with Camuncolli's costume in mind and swapped it with Woods' at the last second. Those descriptions about the hood and the symbol make no sense with Woods' costume. [B]Does Roy have an entry[/B]?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but it doesn't mention the Outlaws at all. (Same for Starfire)

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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4518039]Did they update this every story arc or is this the first Rebirth version?
Oh, and could you please look Dick up for me? Looking at Jason, I'm wondering if he's portrayed as Nightwing or Ric because if it's the latter I'm ready to throw hands[/QUOTE]

The [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] was released in March 2019. It's the first Character Guide since Rebirth started and the entries - as short as they are - mostly only mention current stuff/the bare minimum you need to know for the Rebirth depiction of the character.

Dick is portrayed as Nightwing (Name: Richard "Dick" Grayson). Ric isn't even mentioned. But I also don't think that Ric was a thing when the Character Guide was created. At least the Red Hood text indicates that Jason was still wearing his first Rebirth outfit back then and that his current outfit was a last minute change without checking if the text boxes are still consistent with the artwork.

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Here's the finalized cover of Red Hood: Outlaw #37.

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Summary:

[QUOTE]Leave it to Red Hood to get Lex Luthor’s strangest offer of all: to train the next generation of super-villains! Hand-picked for their incredible talents, not to mention their potential to spread villainy and doom across the globe. As the only super-villain in the world to have trained under Batman himself, Red Hood is the ideal instructor. But has Jason Todd fallen so far that he’d take on the task of forging tomorrow’s Legion of Doom or Crime Syndicate—or is he trying to work from within to undermine Lex’s villainous machinations? Even if Red Hood’s heart is in the right place, he still has to butt heads with his powerful and dangerous new pupils. Grab some ammo and settle in for the beginning of the next generation of Outlaws![/QUOTE]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/shikabe37/status/1030378002679398401"]KABE[/URL] [I]One late Happy Birthday to my dear Jay. [/I](from 2018)

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I think Christopher Priest should take a crack at Red Hood next after his Deathstroke run. I think Preist's style could compliment the character and play with Jason's moral ambiguity in interesting ways we haven't seen before.

I would try Warren Ellis, but that's probably me just being me, as always. Yeah, I'm a fan.
Priest wouldn't be a bad choice, I think.

But after Lobdell is done with the story he's working on. I hate when writers cannot finish their stories.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4518834]I would try Warren Ellis, but that's probably me just being me, as always. Yeah, I'm a fan.
Priest wouldn't be a bad choice, I think.

[B]But after Lobdell is done with the story he's working on. I hate when writers cannot finish their stories.[/B][/QUOTE]

I second that.
Although I'd prefer Priest to write a Wallace West solo next. In his last interview Priest seemed really excited about the character.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4518834]I would try Warren Ellis, but that's probably me just being me, as always. Yeah, I'm a fan.
Priest wouldn't be a bad choice, I think.

[B]But after Lobdell is done with the story he's working on. I hate when writers cannot finish their stories.[/B][/QUOTE]

I agree as well. And from what Lobdell has said he has planned, barring anymore editorial interference, sounds pretty good.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4518466]Yes, but it doesn't mention the Outlaws at all. (Same for Starfire)

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The [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] was released in March 2019. It's the first Character Guide since Rebirth started and the entries - as short as they are - mostly only mention current stuff/the bare minimum you need to know for the Rebirth depiction of the character.

Dick is portrayed as Nightwing (Name: Richard "Dick" Grayson). Ric isn't even mentioned. But I also don't think that Ric was a thing when the Character Guide was created. At least the Red Hood text indicates that Jason was still wearing his first Rebirth outfit back then and that his current outfit was a last minute change without checking if the text boxes are still consistent with the artwork.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Ric started in October.

About Roy and Starfire... I guess similar with their Rebirth appearances, DC want to disassociate them with Outlaws. At first, even Jason started with "I never had friends before Bizarro" or something like that. It wasn't until after the first arc, I think, did the book mention any relation to Roy and Kori, and other books haven't mentioned them.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4519586]Yeah, Ric started in October.

About Roy and Starfire... I guess similar with their Rebirth appearances, DC want to disassociate them with Outlaws. At first, even Jason started with "I never had friends before Bizarro" or something like that. It wasn't until after the first arc, I think, did the book mention any relation to Roy and Kori, and other books haven't mentioned them.[/QUOTE]

Jason was mentined as Roy's trusted contact in Heroes in Crisis, and Roy mentioned his association with Jason in Green Arrow just before HiC started. And again, their relationship has been a point in Event Leviathan. So at least, as far as Roy and Jason goes, DC doesn't seem to want to erase their envolvement. I would say they want even the contrary, actually: to reinforce their link. Also, Jason did mentioned Kori and Roy in his own book, as friends. He just added that things ended in not-entirely good terms, which is true for Roy, and Kori may as well.

Kori seems to be the one DC doesn't akcnowledge as a team mate. But if they do it for Roy...

Yeah, the little fallout there's been for Roy's death has been about how Jason was devastated by it. Even the promotional stuff leading to HiC (and Roy's demise) made a point of highlight the fact Roy and Jason were each other's best friends.

I guess they were going with titans over Outlaws in the Guide, because he was a member of that team when the Guide was written, and he has after all a much longer history (all the way back to the 60s) as Titan than as Outlaw.

Making two of Dicks closest friend Jason's team mates was allways a liitle bit problematic because of that.

Some more entries from the [I]DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide New Edition[/I] that mention Jason Todd/Red Hood/Outlaws:

[B]Solomon Grundy[/B]

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[B]Talia Al Ghul[/B]

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[B]Circe
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I hate the way they treat the League and the All-Caste as the same organization.

[B]Joker[/B]

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[B]Ra's Al Ghul[/B]

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The Red Robin ("Batman's Detective Heir") entry also mentions Jason but only indirectly: "[I]Tim Drake is a young man with an incredible investigative mind. He impresses Batman by deducing not only his secret identity but also those of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd.[/I]"

And in case someone wonders: There is no entry for Black Mask.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4520398][B]Joker[/B]

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[B]Ra's Al Ghul[/B]

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The Red Robin ("Batman's Detective Heir") entry also mentions Jason but only indirectly: "[I]Tim Drake is a young man with an incredible investigative mind. He impresses Batman by deducing not only his secret identity but also those of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd.[/I]"

And in case someone wonders: There is no entry for Black Mask.[/QUOTE]

Well duh! You don't make a profile for Hood's warm-up villain.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4520429]Well duh! You don't make a profile for Hood's warm-up villain.[/QUOTE]

Black Mask is a known villain of Batman and Robin. A second rate villain, but known enough nonetheless, I think. Well, maybe. I don't really know, maybe I'm under the wrong impression \o/.

[QUOTE=Zaresh;4520549]Black Mask is a known villain of Batman and Robin. A second rate villain, but known enough nonetheless, I think. Well, maybe. I don't really know, maybe I'm under the wrong impression \o/.[/QUOTE]

Pre-Flashpoint, he nearly killed Steph. Shortly after, Jason came in and basically destroyed his empire from the ground up, either by taking those that worked for him or killing those that wouldn't defect in UTRH. Basically unintentionally avenging Steph (and I believe Selina delivered the killing blow to Black Mask later).

In Rebirth, Mask had some device in the Mayor that Jason neutralized under the guise of shooting him. Then Mask tried to use Biz for a puppet, which then backfired, and last we saw, Black Mask was in Ma Gunn's care. Alive, but essentially a vegetable. Due to his own actions.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4520561]Pre-Flashpoint, he nearly killed Steph. Shortly after, Jason came in and basically destroyed his empire from the ground up, either by taking those that worked for him or killing those that wouldn't defect in UTRH. Basically unintentionally avenging Steph (and I believe Selina delivered the killing blow to Black Mask later).

In Rebirth, Mask had some device in the Mayor that Jason neutralized under the guise of shooting him. Then Mask tried to use Biz for a puppet, which then backfired, and last we saw, Black Mask was in Ma Gunn's care. Alive, but essentially a vegetable. Due to his own actions.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Black Mask tortured Selina's sister if I'm not mistaken by murdering her husband(?) in front of her and forced her to eat his eyeball. Drove her insane and she became a villain herself after that. Selina shot him, but he came back during Blackest Night as a zombie. After that Jeremiah Arkham became Black Mask II. Since the New 52 though a lot of his most heinous crime were erased so he doesn't stand out as before.

Last I saw Black Mask is in Damian's secret prison.

He showed up in Batman recently, I think, like three issues ago or so. I remember people pointing out about noone caring for continuity between books because of that, and that it was just to be expected after what happened with Penguin. But maybe I'm remembering wrong.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4520954]Yeah, Black Mask tortured Selina's sister if I'm not mistaken by murdering her husband(?) in front of her and forced her to eat his eyeball. Drove her insane and she became a villain herself after that. Selina shot him, but he came back during Blackest Night as a zombie. After that Jeremiah Arkham became Black Mask II. Since the New 52 though a lot of his most heinous crime were erased so he doesn't stand out as before.

Last I saw Black Mask is in Damian's secret prison.[/QUOTE]

Isn't the eyeball thing still canon? It was mentioned in the current Catwoman run if I recall correctly when Selina visited her sister.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4521098]Isn't the eyeball thing still canon? It was mentioned in the current Catwoman run if I recall correctly when Selina visited her sister.[/QUOTE]

*Tired "Ugh"*. Was it? They kinda just bring back things here and there with no fanfare it's impossible to keep track. I know they bring back her sister but I don't know in what context.

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[I]A nice birthday surprise for #JasonTodd! This team reunion is gonna happen soon in the #RHatO comic, I can taste it![/I]

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