Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=RedBird;4275462]I think it may be Jason Bard they are referring to.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think that is who they are referring to...

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4276340]Doubt it, is Johns writing it and it would be very unusual to have a non Batfamily member in an issue that it's all about bats.[/QUOTE]

It was a passing reference during a conversation with Jim Gordon to a Jason who is Barbara's husband. Could be anyone. Makes more sense for it to be Jason Bard, someone Barbara already had a serious relationship with [spoil] Jason, Tim, Dick weren't part of the story, actually.... [/spoil]


As for a possible Jason/Barbara ship. Just no. I am not a Dick/Babs shipper but I think Jason should be getting his own, original relationship with someone not associated with Dick or Bat-family, maybe even a brand new person. Them all dating the same people would be very much like a page out of those teenage dramas with angsty triangles. Not to mention, icky. And would also make one wonder if Jason has a subconcious obsession with Dick and replacing him... Don't need or want any of that. It is a big universe. Surely they can all find other people to interact with and fall in love with...

[QUOTE=Schumiac;4277008]Yeah, I think that is who they are referring to...



It was a passing reference during a conversation with Jim Gordon to a Jason who is Barbara's husband. Could be anyone. Makes more sense for it to be Jason Bard, someone Barbara already had a serious relationship with [spoil] Jason, Tim, Dick weren't part of the story, actually.... [/spoil]


As for a possible Jason/Barbara ship. Just no. I am not a Dick/Babs shipper but [B]I think Jason should be getting his own, original relationship with someone not associated with Dick or Bat-family, maybe even a brand new person. [/B]Them all dating the same people would be very much like a page out of those teenage dramas with angsty triangles. Not to mention, icky. And would also make one wonder if Jason has a subconcious obsession with Dick and replacing him... Don't need or want any of that. It is a big universe. Surely they can all find other people to interact with and fall in love with...[/QUOTE]

Oh, I fully agree. And what's more, Jason getting his Rebirth Outlaws in Bizz and Artemis, 2 otherwise minor characters that rarely see much use in the Super and Wonder books, really works. And whether people ship Jason and Artemis or not, the three do make quite the little family either way. Not only giving Jason his own, original group, but also expanding upon Bizz and Artemis as characters too.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4276356]Also, Hush is the next animated film

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I wonder if they'll keep Jason role.[/QUOTE]Based on the cast it will be part of their animated universe, and iirc it was said that Tim and Jason were never Robin in that universe.
I also wonder how they will deal with Harold, who was also not introduced in that Universe (or any other media outside of comics) sofar.

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4276680]"Legally" for Jason? Eh, I don't know. Legally, until this latest arc, Jason was legally dead. Heavily implying he used faked IDs to go into said bars. Not to mention, trying to get Tim into them.[/QUOTE]Yeah but neither Tim in BRE nor Damian in the last Teen Titans Annual made any remarks about Jason not being old enough,and now he owns the iceberg launch.

[QUOTE=Arctic Cyclist;4276878]Go by this: Zero Year has Jason trying to tell Talia he's 15, and she pegs him at 12, which was the age he was when his mom died (you'll recall she was alive in that issue). In universe, five (10?) years passed between zero year and the start of Red Hood and the Outlaws in the new 52. [/QUOTE]I think he new 52 starting ages are pretty much out of the window at this point. Based on that Dick was iirc also 16 wgen he became Robin, but post Rebith it seem they have pretty much gone back to the original starting age.

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[QUOTE=Aahz;4277463]Yeah but neither Tim in BRE nor Damian in the last Teen Titans Annual made any remarks about Jason not being old enough,and now he owns the iceberg launch.

I think he new 52 starting ages are pretty much out of the window at this point. Based on that Dick was iirc also 16 wgen he became Robin, but post Rebith it seem they have pretty much gone back to the original starting age.[/QUOTE]

Rebirth has taken all sense of continuity and just basically all sense of character development for everyone but Jason and discarded it. That said, I believe the missing ten years are Dick's time as Robin which means Jason was still about 18/19 when the new 52 started. As far as I can tell, except for things pertaining to Kingverse and Tim's age, everything else introduced in Batman and Company comics sans Catwoman and Damian's search for Martha's pearl has managed to stay canon. So Jason was about 18 five years ago in universe. From there, we can tell that he's 23/24 and has figured a work around the being legally dead to legally owning a night club.

If it helps, remember that Future's End was set five years from Damian's death at age 10, and Tim was officially 21 and a bartender at the start of it. Since we're approaching five years from Damian's major death, we know that Tim is....16....and Jason is about 23/24ish and ready to put his MBA from Al Ghul U to use, maybe even his BA in comparative lit.

[QUOTE=Arctic Cyclist;4278370]That said, I believe the missing ten years are Dick's time as Robin which means Jason was still about 18/19 when the new 52 started. [/QUOTE]Dick wasn't Robin that long, some of the years have to go to the other Robins.


Btw. I finally read the last Batman Beyond Arc, it's kind of disappointing that while they reference Death in the Family, and even have flashback with him as Red Hood, we don't learn anything about whats going on with him in the Beyond Era. Interestingly they also established that Gotham did become better after the "Death" of the Joker.

[QUOTE=Aahz;4278554]Dick wasn't Robin that long, some of the years have to go to the other Robins.


Btw. I finally read the last Batman Beyond Arc, it's kind of disappointing that while they reference Death in the Family, and even have flashback with him as Red Hood, we don't learn anything about whats going on with him in the Beyond Era. Interestingly they also established that Gotham did become better after the "Death" of the Joker.[/QUOTE]

Of course! Dick was Robin between ages 12 and 18. That leaves 5, maybe more for the other two.

Maybe in thirty five years Jason has finally killed the Joker, attended some excellent therapy, and has finally achieved the wholesome future he had in Flashpoint.

I read Beyond sparsely. Who gets to kill the Joker in this version?

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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4279059]I read Beyond sparsely. Who gets to kill the Joker in this version?[/QUOTE][SPOIL]He was thought to have died years ago in a crash during a fight with Bruce, and died because of a hear attack in the final issue of the arc.[/SPOIL]

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The feels!! And I love how the room had more stuff after each panel.

[QUOTE=Aahz;4279207][SPOIL]He was thought to have died years ago in a crash during a fight with Bruce, and died because of a hear attack in the final issue of the arc.[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]

Oh, ok. That was unexpected. Thanks, @Aahz.

[QUOTE=Aahz;4278554]Btw. I finally read the last Batman Beyond Arc, it's kind of disappointing that while they reference Death in the Family, and even have flashback with him as Red Hood, we don't learn anything about whats going on with him in the Beyond Era. Interestingly they also established that Gotham did become better after the "Death" of the Joker.[/QUOTE]

At least we can still pretend that Jason is fine and alive in the Batman Beyond universe. Maybe he quit vigilantism after Gotham had finally become a better place and left to start a new life somewhere else - with Artemis and Bizarro as his little family.

Some interesting info from the Deathstroke #42 [URL="https://www.newsarama.com/44508-slade-wilson-is-the-teen-titans-only-hope-in-deathstroke-42.html#s7"]preview[/URL] about Black Mask in Teen Titans:

[Spoil]Black Mask is indeed Roman Sionis. So there is a big plot hole between RHatO and TT. And apparently Roman has a kid although he stated in RHatO that he doesn't.[/Spoil]

[QUOTE=Sergard;4280067][Spoil]Black Mask is indeed Roman Sionis. So there is a big plot hole between RHatO and TT. And apparently Roman has a kid although he stated in RHatO that he doesn't.[/Spoil][/QUOTE][Spoil]They are also referencing something that happened in Under the Red Hood, which makes also contradicts the interaction between Jason and Black Mask in Rebirth.

Btw. I'm wondering if Black Mask original Origin (the one were he drops on his head as a newborn and is bitten by a rabid Racoon) is still canon :p[/Spoil]

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When something happens in a book that contradicts RHATO, is safe to assume that RHATO is being ignored and that chances are, it will ignored in return when/if Lobdell visits that plot point.


Anyone following Wondercon? I'm wondering if Jason will be mentioned somewhere.

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Ooh this is a spectacular piece.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4280769]Ooh this is a spectacular piece.[/QUOTE]

Agreed very, very, very much. It's superb.

[QUOTE=Dark_Tzitzimine;4280222]When something happens in a book that contradicts RHATO, is safe to assume that RHATO is being ignored and that chances are, it will ignored in return when/if Lobdell visits that plot point.


Anyone following Wondercon? I'm wondering if Jason will be mentioned somewhere.[/QUOTE]

I'm a little disappointed. TT did so good in referencing current events from RHatO. TT showed Jason in his new costume, shortly after it was officially introduced in RHatO. And the TT Annual looked like it took place shortly before or after the finale of the last RH:O arc. Wasn't it also mentioned, that TT and RHatO (at least for the Black Mask arc) shared the same editor?


What is Wondercon?

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Who likes the feedbag and who likes the full facial mask? I like the full mask, myself.

[QUOTE=oasis1313;4282166]Who likes the feedbag and who likes the full facial mask? I like the full mask, myself.[/QUOTE]

I like both.
The "feedbag" can be very aesthetically pleasing when combined with a nice suit, like on the cover of RH:O #33.

[QUOTE=oasis1313;4282166]Who likes the feedbag and who likes the full facial mask? I like the full mask, myself.[/QUOTE]
I prefer the full mask but I’ve come to like both.

I found a cute and short fanfic: [URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/18284216"]Another Sick Day[/URL] by brunchywrites. Jason gets sick and calls for help.

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He already has a dog but now I want a cat also.

[QUOTE=G-Potion;4282421]He already has a dog but now I want a cat also.[/QUOTE]

He would name it "Cat".

[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4282428]He would name it "Cat".[/QUOTE]

That made me laugh harder than expected. Sounds like Jason. On the other hand, Batman calls Catwoman "Cat" when he's in a romantic mood. So please no "Cat" for Jason.
I want Jason to get a second dog, because I'm curious what he'll name her/him.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4282444]That made me laugh harder than expected. Sounds like Jason. On the other hand, Batman calls Catwoman "Cat" when he's in a romantic mood. So please no "Cat" for Jason.
I want Jason to get a second dog, because I'm curious what he'll name her/him.[/QUOTE]

Or Jason would do it partly just to irk Bruce....

Selina: Bat.
Bruce: Cat.
Cat: Meow?

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Another sweet fanfiction by brunchywrites: Chapter One of [URL="https://archiveofourown.org/works/18302153"]I Once Read...[/URL], a slice-of-life story with young Jason and Bruce. The first chapter takes place before Jason becomes Robin.

What I want to see eventually, is all the Bat Kids grown up, and with kids of their own that followed in the family footsteps, and Bruce as a tsundere sort of grandpa.

And yes, I want to see a world with Jason having kids. With who, a matter for debate. Still want to see it though.

[QUOTE=Sergard;4282444]That made me laugh harder than expected. Sounds like Jason. On the other hand, Batman calls Catwoman "Cat" when he's in a romantic mood. So please no "Cat" for Jason.
I want Jason to get a second dog, because I'm curious what he'll name her/him.[/QUOTE]

Oh, but that's perfect. Not only would he get to troll Bruce and Selina, who he's historically [B]not[/B] a shipper of and was extremely bothered by as Robin, but it would also be a [U]Breakfast at Tiffany's[/U] reference. Jason and Holly are similar enough characters (more so book than movie) that he could give the speech about settling down and naming the cat perfectly. He's also a big enough nerd to get into the raging debates about whether Audrey Hepburn was perfect or if Capote was right and Marilyn Monroe was the correct Holly Golightly.

Jason is the sort to have feelings about [U]Breakfast at Tiffany's[/U] and write ten page papers with forty peer review and orginal source references contrasting the book and movie, and examining the erasure of the many gender ambiguous and homosexual characters.

[QUOTE=Arctic Cyclist;4282766]Oh, but that's perfect. Not only would he get to troll Bruce and Selina, who he's historically [B]not[/B] a shipper of and was extremely bothered by as Robin, but it would also be a [U]Breakfast at Tiffany's[/U] reference. Jason and Holly are similar enough characters (more so book than movie) that he could give the speech about settling down and naming the cat perfectly. He's also a big enough nerd to get into the raging debates about whether Audrey Hepburn was perfect or if Capote was right and Marilyn Monroe was the correct Holly Golightly.

Jason is the sort to have feelings about [U]Breakfast at Tiffany's[/U] and write ten page papers with forty peer review and orginal source references contrasting the book and movie, and examining the erasure of the many gender ambiguous and homosexual characters.[/QUOTE]

I know Jason is a big book nerd. Particularly for classics. But I never pegged him for much of a movie guy. Even for adaptations of books he enjoys.