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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4229276]That was just 3 dudes hanging out, they weren’t the "Teen Titans" till Donna showed up :p[/QUOTE]
Then why is it considered the original origin of the team? :p
Otherwise we can go by Teen Titans YO which has Roy with them at the start.
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I really miss Tim Seeley's run. It was actually a good time for Dick and Nightwing, even if management (and fans too) at the end ruined a lot of stuff about that run.
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I dont think it’s fair to say Winick Pulled Dick and Roy’s friendship out of his ass and being with Jason was better for Roy. No matter how you think whether their dynamic was buddy close or not, the titans are very important to both, just like as casual as Roy and Donna is, their connection was always as titans first and foremost. Roy was devastated when the SA TT disbanded, and even then he always respected Dick despite his issues and Dick him despite disagreeing with Roy’s choice.Old Friends New Enemy was the first time they bonded as something more personal, Dick with Batman and Roy with his child, but it was stronger than anything Roy could have had with Jason. Dick trusted him with leading the titans in his stead. And just like in YJ, Roy was there to help when Dick lost his BFF in outsiders. Funny I think the way Dick yelled at him then an irresponsible Addict sometimes is just like the way us fans yelled at Hobo Ric now. They are there to trust and pull each other out from the ass.
I seem to be the minority because I see not as strong a connection between comic Dick and Wally as between Dick and Roy. In communication, in trust and in how they can relate to each other. While Dick and Donnas bond only got stronger when grown, Dick and Wally I feel like, still loves each other but they have become so different in worldwiew.
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When Wally got bumped up to the JL he and Dick didn't interact as much anymore. So that is why there aren't a ton of more recent stories with the two of them, but the two of them are still considered best friends I would say even though I would agree that Donna the person Dick is closest to, even if the New 52 and Abnett destroyed that.
I just think Roy is a piece of shit and he can go off with Jason for all I care to be honest. Just keep him away from Dick. I'm just sick of the two of them basically bickering or fighting whenever they interact in comics now, usually to Dick's detriment too given Winick's Outsiders, Abnett's Titans, briefly in Lobdell's Outlaws, and other series. It is just over and over again. Sure, I don't think Roy is written well with Jason as his character horribly devolves when he is with Jason despite Lobdell insisting that Jason is Roy's best friend, but I don't care about comic Roy enough to care really. Even in the Heroes in Crisis profile pages it listed Jason as Roy's best friend, and Dick probably won't ever acknowledge Roy dying or anything by the time Ric ends. Although odds are Dick won't acknowledge what happened to Wally either, lol.
Honestly, as it stands Dick no longer really feels that close to anyone other than Barbara these days. Maybe Bruce too on occasion but I don't think Dick has been shown to be that close with any of the Titans or even characters like Damian since Flashpoint. All those relationships feels very weak or watered down compared to what they used to be before the reboot.
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To be fair, Roy has spent a lot more time with Jason (on panel) than he has with Dick since Flashpoint so it is easier to call the former his best friend. I’m not saying you have to agree with it, just that it makes sense given the current state of DC’s universe.
The whole getting thier memories thing back does make it complicated but that consisted more of them telling than showing the titan’s new relationships.
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On one hand, I haven't read anything of his that I've liked in over half a decade. On the other hand, his Dick in Black Mirror was really, really good. It couldn't be worse than anything we've had over the past year and a half.
Not that it would ever actually happen.
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[QUOTE=Badou;4231130]When Wally got bumped up to the JL he and Dick didn't interact as much anymore. So that is why there aren't a ton of more recent stories with the two of them, but the two of them are still considered best friends I would say even though I would agree that Donna the person Dick is closest to, even if the New 52 and Abnett destroyed that.
I just think Roy is a piece of shit and he can go off with Jason for all I care to be honest. Just keep him away from Dick. I'm just sick of the two of them basically bickering or fighting whenever they interact in comics now, usually to Dick's detriment too given Winick's Outsiders, Abnett's Titans, briefly in Lobdell's Outlaws, and other series. It is just over and over again. Sure, I don't think Roy is written well with Jason as his character horribly devolves when he is with Jason despite Lobdell insisting that Jason is Roy's best friend, but I don't care about comic Roy enough to care really. Even in the Heroes in Crisis profile pages it listed Jason as Roy's best friend, and Dick probably won't ever acknowledge Roy dying or anything by the time Ric ends. Although odds are Dick won't acknowledge what happened to Wally either, lol.
Honestly, as it stands Dick no longer really feels that close to anyone other than Barbara these days. Maybe Bruce too on occasion but I don't think Dick has been shown to be that close with any of the Titans or even characters like Damian since Flashpoint. All those relationships feels very weak or watered down compared to what they used to be before the reboot.[/QUOTE]
He didn’t get shot in the head that long ago dick and Damian are still close
He just can’t rmemeber him right now. Stop writing off theirnrelatiosnhip
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[QUOTE=Pohzee;4231334][URL]https://twitter.com/ssnyder1835/status/1101625341574086657?s=21[/URL]
On one hand, I haven't read anything of his that I've liked in over half a decade. On the other hand, his Dick in Black Mirror was really, really good. It couldn't be worse than anything we've had over the past year and a half.
Not that it would ever actually happen.[/QUOTE]
Snyder on Nightwing would be a dream. His stories tend more towards horror than Dick is really built for, which would be the one downside. However, he is a big name creator. Big enough to have the clout that editorial would let him do what he wants. He also pulls great artists. Nightwing's appearances in his Batman run were normally well done. Everyone seems to remember Bruce punching him, but no one recalls the conversation at the end of the arc: "I didn't save you from some dark fate. You saved me from *my* dark fate."
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[QUOTE=Pohzee;4231334][URL]https://twitter.com/ssnyder1835/status/1101625341574086657?s=21[/URL][/QUOTE]
Snyder is hit or miss for me but I'd happily take him on Nightwing, especially if he leans into some of the bigger concepts and sci-fi he's using in JL and doesn't just re-tread the tired ground of Nightwing doing street level stuff (though I'd settle for street level if it was quality!). He's done well with Dick in the past, he's got the clout to do what he wants without DC screwing with his plans.
Even at his worst, Snyder is a million times better than what we've been getting and I think Nightwing is a character that Snyder actually, genuinely likes, which goes a long way a lot of the time, especially for IP's that DC itself doesn't care about (or in Dick's case, wants to actively sabotage).
Yeah, screw it, sign me up!
I'm also pleased to see how much support Nightwing got on that feed; lots of wingnuts out there desperate for a good series.
Pull your collective heads out of your asses DC, and make it happen!
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[QUOTE=Pohzee;4231334][URL]https://twitter.com/ssnyder1835/status/1101625341574086657?s=21[/URL]
On one hand, I haven't read anything of his that I've liked in over half a decade. On the other hand, his Dick in Black Mirror was really, really good. It couldn't be worse than anything we've had over the past year and a half.
Not that it would ever actually happen.[/QUOTE]
Would be shocked if that ever happened. Him writing Nightwing would feel like him going backwards now, but who knows.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4231359]He didn’t get shot in the head that long ago dick and Damian are still close
He just can’t rmemeber him right now. Stop writing off theirnrelatiosnhip[/QUOTE]
I don't think Damian and Dick's relationship is what it was before the reboot. I guess on occasion it feels like that like when Seeley writes it, but I think they now just boil down their relationship to Dick being "the older brother" when before it was a lot deeper under Morrison. He was a mentor, father figure, and older brother all mixed together. It was very layered. Now he is just an older brother that plays video games with Damian or something. Like when Damian died Dick was sad and reflected on not being able to play a video game with Damian as his big emotional connection to the character at his death despite having so many more things to reflect on.
But I get that their dynamic can't be what they were before as Bruce had to overwrite a lot of the dynamics Dick and Damian had when he returned and became Batman. So it is impossible to have Dick and Damian's relationship reach the levels or layers it had before.
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[QUOTE=Badou;4231543]
I don't think Damian and Dick's relationship is what it was before the reboot. I guess on occasion it feels like that like when Seeley writes it, but I think they now just boil down their relationship to Dick being "the older brother" when before it was a lot deeper under Morrison. He was a mentor, father figure, and older brother all mixed together. It was very layered. Now he is just an older brother that plays video games with Damian or something. [/QUOTE]
I have been thinking in a very similar manner, I think the reboot was very detrimental for Dick and ruined a lot of his interactions with other characters who were crucial in his life, but one of the things that I will miss more will be his relation with Damian. It was special, more than a "cool older brother" he was like a father, he was actually IMO a better father than Batman because he show Damian something that Bruce never would be able to.
He teach him to slow down, be calmer, more compassionate, enjoy life and laugh. Before Dick I was unable to stand Damian but Dick make him more human and less and angry little killer with superiority complex and he did it with patient and understanding.
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I miss Dick Grayson a lot--for decades, I'd been coming to the comics shop when Dick's books came out, but the cupboard is bare now.