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Honestly if I can't get a Namor solo then another team up between these two would be so wonderful!
And Reviresco, I saw you had started a quotes post at the beginning, that is awesome, Namor has so many great lines![/QUOTE]
He does! I may not have enough room. But it will be a work in progress.
I was looking for that first panel! May have to steal it. ;p
That middle panel is so rich. Doom = MELODRAMA!!!
Why choose? Be greedy and ask, excuse me, demand BOTH! A solo AND Super Villain Team Up.
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But people who call Namor a homewrecker don't know anything about Namor ... or Sue. First off, Namor met Sue BEFORE she married. In fact, he actually proposed to Sue as soon as he met her, long before Reed did. And Namor has actually done more than anyone else I can think of to SAVE Reed and Sue's marriage. Twice, he went through elaborate ruses to get Reed and Sue back together again. For several decades, it was pretty much a past relationship and both characters had moved on, though they were friends. But some writers just can't let it go, and use Namor to ... enliven Reed and Sue's relationship.[/QUOTE]
Oooh... okay. I saw the F4 cover with Namor carrying Sue into the sea chased by the others... this one.
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Was it that one? I didn't know they weren't married at that time, but now that you mention it, in the movie they also haven't married.
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114770]That comic you are talking about (doom tooting the horn) happened in SPIDEY SUPER STORIES (1974) #53 which is such a gem. I love it. (I am so sorry for rambling on like that, lol, I really can talk forever about this character cause he is my number one fave)[/QUOTE]
No, no, I enjoy reading it. Thank you. ^^
Yeah, I can see how the whole Sue thing can be really annoying if they refuse to let die because the images are very memorable for someone who doesn't know. That Greg Land cover and the old cover of Namor carrying Sue to the sea is what I remember when someone mention Namor and Sue.
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I get the land you get the sea, but isn't he already king of the sea? Is that the joke? XD
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114803]And the infamous Doctor Doom paints Namor fan edit parody:
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The original is actually Layla Miller in the comics but the edit was so well done and honestly, I love it.
Doom really does have an obsession with Namor and it's no wonder why. :p LOL[/QUOTE]
Aw, it's a fan edit. I should've known because the painting doesn't match the rest of the panel. XD
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4114820]He does! I may not have enough room. But it will be a work in progress.
I was looking for that first panel! May have to steal it. ;p
That middle panel is so rich. Doom = MELODRAMA!!!
Why choose? Be greedy and ask, excuse me, demand BOTH! A solo AND Super Villain Team Up.[/QUOTE]
Yes, he has a lot of good quotes so narrowing them down will be a chore, thank you for doing this! Be my guest to steal whatever panels I post! :D
Doom is the definition of melodrama XD haha! I shall demand both! I'll write in multiple times and hope for the best!
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4114837]Oooh... okay. I saw the F4 cover with Namor carrying Sue into the sea chased by the others... this one.
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Was it that one? I didn't know they weren't married at that time, but now that you mention it, in the movie they also haven't married.
No, no, I enjoy reading it. Thank you. ^^
Yeah, I can see how the whole Sue thing can be really annoying if they refuse to let die because the images are very memorable for someone who doesn't know. That Greg Land cover and the old cover of Namor carrying Sue to the sea is what I remember when someone mention Namor and Sue.
I get the land you get the sea, but isn't he already king of the sea? Is that the joke? XD
Aw, it's a fan edit. I should've known because the painting doesn't match the rest of the panel. XD[/QUOTE]
Namor and Sue is very memorable, I think that its one of the most memorable cover for the Fantastic Four on par with the introduction of Doctor Doom cover. This was the FF fourth issue and Stan Lee loved the character of Namor so much that instead of remaking him like he did with Johnny and the original human torch Jim Hammond, he just had Namor show up without his memories. Namor makes his appearance just one issue before Doom who comes in #5 and then in #6 they team up for the first time and its the first super villain team up in Marvel. IIRC
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LOL also the Land and Sea thing is a very old agreement they have each time they team up, Victor would rule all the land and not interfere/pollute the sea and leave Namor and his people to live in peace. In turn Namor would not interfere with the land. However they never seem to make it to that point mostly because Doom betrays Namor or they fight/don't trust each other. haha! But they do have this old friendship and in a room full of enemies they always team up and actually do respect each other even if they don't agree with the others methods.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114217]I personally think the problem with Twitter and asking creators there directly is they have to be very noncommittal and vague in their replies until its been confirmed and ok to talk about. Other wise I could totally reply to one of there tweets or @ them in a message which would show up in their notes, however I'm sure that since they have so many hundreds of followers then their notes might be so full and Twitter is very fast moving, they could miss it, or ignore it and never reply. Also I would feel a bit awkward in messaging them directly since I don't want to seem to be harassing the creators.
I think its great that creators are more readily available to speak to these days, (I've asked Leah Williams questions she writes some of the x-men for marvel and she is a Namor fan too) and ask them questions, but also across the fandoms not just in comics I've seen creators get very harassed by fans and I would hate to do that to anyone/put them in an awkward position about their reply.
If you do find a letter page address or even e-mail I will totally write in and express my fangirling desire to have a Namor solo![/QUOTE]
There's a lot of problems with Twitter, which is why I've avoided it as far as using it -- though I do lurk a bit. But I'm planning to jump in this year, mostly for Namor related stuff. We all have our boundaries, though some don't appear to, when it comes to social media. I also prefer not to DM creators, but I definitely am going to be tagging a few. ;)
Not familiar with Leah Williams, but I'll check her stuff out.
I'll see if I can find any info about the letters page e-mail this weekend.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114803]Doom tooting the Horn:
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And the infamous Doctor Doom paints Namor fan edit parody:
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The original is actually Layla Miller in the comics but the edit was so well done and honestly I love it.
Doom really does have an obsession with Namor and it's no wonder why. :p LOL[/QUOTE]
Wow...missed a lot of activity.
I really hope that with Doom's new status post-Secret Wars that we do see a reunion. One is never sure what the characters remember from the time on Battleworld but I know Namor got blasted by God Emperor Doom in one of the last issues. I wasn't sure if it was fatal or not. In any case, it hasn't effected his current status.
I think my favorite Doom/Namor story is the multi-part issue written by Gerry Conway and drawn by Gene Colan in the Sub-Mariner series. I always theorized that this might have been their next chapter in Astonishing Tales. It ended rather abruptly in AT #8, with a tease for the next issue's story titled "Doomsmasque". IIRC it was used in the Sub-Mariner stories for the issue title. Maybe Conway just liked the title and wanted to use it again since his AT story never came to be.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114770]LOL, Honestly I still have issues every time Sue/Namor comes up because its all people really know him for, but his time with the Fantastic Four (if we include all their comics of which there are A LOT) Namor doesn't show up every two issues to try and seduce Sue. He comes and goes and is mostly used in my opinion as a contrast to Reed.
Here we have Reed: A smart scientist more interested in his work than human connection (though i do know he has a good relationship with his family) focusing more on the brainy aspects, a nice guy compared to Namor and one of the heroes of the Fantastic Four. He is the guy Marvel wants you to root for, the underdog compared to Namor.
Then we have Namor: A handsome, arrogant, brash, prince from the far off magical underwater city of Atlantis strutting around showing off his riches and muscles and saying he wants a queen, the dream fantasy for most girls, and the bad boy compared to Reed.
I once read something, where their relationship was compared to Namor being Catwoman to Susan's Batman, he would swoop in to distract and seduce the main hero in a tight fitting garment and then be on his merry way to do whatever he wants. Which made me laugh honestly.
Namor was never going to end up with Sue, it was just a love triangle that Marvel dragged on for years and teased fans with. If it was going to happen then it would have happened way back in the early fantastic four comics but now its far too late and really I am pretty tired of him only being remembered for susan storm and black panther. I really really hope that Marvel doesn't bring it up again. If you see the times when Namor and Sue were just friends and where writers were not trying to force them together they have this great friendship. [B]The thing that bothers people most is that Namor always gets along better with female characters than he does males[/B], and he is really only Susan's friend, not Reed or Ben or Johnny. IMO he tolerates them because Susan is a good person and he values her and her friendship.[/QUOTE]
That's not entirely my reason for not caring as much for the Namor / Sue relationship, but yes, that does seem to be what a lot of people know him for. Of course, it's usually how he is introduced in cartoons, also. The double edged sword of popular exposure.
Sadly, it is always going to be brought up, because some writers want to use him to liven up Reed and Sue's relationship. Sue also isn't above using Namor to do so. Also, it is a way to bring Namor into whatever is going on with the FF. I don't know if they have a _great_ friendship, but Namor will always having feelings for her, just as he has feeling for his two deceased wives, and Betty Dean, and Tamara, and Diane Arliss, and all the ladies in his life. And of course, to be fair, Namor WOULD start a more than platonic relationship with Sue, IF Sue wanted to.
I agree with the bolded, but I don't think that is what bothers people about Namor and Sue's relationship. No one wants to be 'left' in a relationship, and few blame themselves when it happens. So, they blame the guy their SO left with, instead looking at what went wrong with the relationship. There may be a bit of projecting going on. ;) And Reed is almost always cast as the absent minded husband, who sometimes forgets his family while working. Oddly, Bendis, or maybe it was Reed, on their Illuminati mini-series.
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What if #27: Namor Joined the Fantastic Four?:
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Thanks for posting those scans from that What If? LordUltimus! I don't think things would have turned out quite so rosy -- yes, I know they take a turn for the worse later -- but IF a writer was going to put Namor and Sue together, it would have happened early on like this, before she gave her heart to Reed.
It does make me smile to see Namor in his unstable molecules speedo. :)
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[QUOTE=Iron Maiden;4115422]Wow...missed a lot of activity.
I really hope that with Doom's new status post-Secret Wars that we do see a reunion. One is never sure what the characters remember from the time on Battleworld but I know Namor got blasted by God Emperor Doom in one of the last issues. I wasn't sure if it was fatal or not. In any case, it hasn't effected his current status.
I think my favorite Doom/Namor story is the multi-part issue written by Gerry Conway and drawn by Gene Colan in the Sub-Mariner series. I always theorized that this might have been their next chapter in Astonishing Tales. It ended rather abruptly in AT #8, with a tease for the next issue's story titled "Doomsmasque". IIRC it was used in the Sub-Mariner stories for the issue title. Maybe Conway just liked the title and wanted to use it again since his AT story never came to be.[/QUOTE]
My favorite has to be Emperor Doom where he and Namor plot to use the purple man to gain control of the world, and honestly I have a hard time narrowing it down but that is one of my favorites, I love anything they are in together and really wish that after the Sub-Mariner (2007) series when he ended it with going to Latveria, that we had gotten another team up mini or something, it would have been really great.
[QUOTE=Reviresco;4115311]There's a lot of problems with Twitter, which is why I've avoided it as far as using it -- though I do lurk a bit. But I'm planning to jump in this year, mostly for Namor related stuff. We all have our boundaries, though some don't appear to, when it comes to social media. I also prefer not to DM creators, but I definitely am going to be tagging a few. ;)
Not familiar with Leah Williams, but I'll check her stuff out.
I'll see if I can find any info about the letters page e-mail this weekend.[/QUOTE]
Awesome! I will wait to see what you can find, and for Leah check out her What if? Magik oneshot (2018), people have been raving over it and it shows what if Doctor Strange had found Magik in Limbo. [url]https://comicstore.marvel.com/What-If-Magik-2018-1/digital-comic/49447[/url]
[QUOTE=Reviresco;4115490]That's not entirely my reason for not caring as much for the Namor / Sue relationship, but yes, that does seem to be what a lot of people know him for. Of course, it's usually how he is introduced in cartoons, also. The double edged sword of popular exposure.
Sadly, it is always going to be brought up, because some writers want to use him to liven up Reed and Sue's relationship. Sue also isn't above using Namor to do so. Also, it is a way to bring Namor into whatever is going on with the FF. I don't know if they have a _great_ friendship, but Namor will always having feelings for her, just as he has feeling for his two deceased wives, and Betty Dean, and Tamara, and Diane Arliss, and all the ladies in his life. And of course, to be fair, Namor WOULD start a more than platonic relationship with Sue, IF Sue wanted to.
I agree with the bolded, but I don't think that is what bothers people about Namor and Sue's relationship. No one wants to be 'left' in a relationship, and few blame themselves when it happens. So, they blame the guy their SO left with, instead looking at what went wrong with the relationship. There may be a bit of projecting going on. ;) And Reed is almost always cast as the absent minded husband, who sometimes forgets his family while working. Oddly, Bendis, or maybe it was Reed, on their Illuminati mini-series.
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I remember those panels, good stuff, because it shows that Namor isn't doing things for the sake of wanting to be 'homewrecker' but that he genuinely cares for and thinks that Sue needs saving. Namor and Sue could have worked in the beginning before Susan and Reed got together but now they will always have those, what if moments between them. I think Namor is better friends with Susan than he is with the others but not that they are very close friends of course and I agree that Namor never really gets over his old loves. Part of what I think drew Namor to Susan was how much she could have reminded him of Betty Dean. Also yeah Susan does use Namor's attentions to get Reed's attention. There was this one comic page I saw but I don't know the comic for where she dresses their son in a swimsuit that looks like Namor's and also is cleaning a statue of Namor and tells Reed the statue is paying attention to her.
I think its past time Namor got a new relationship or if Dorma could come back that would be really great. (Or Abira? She just disappeared after the last solo, and Marrina is back but there seems to be no hint of putting them back together)
Thanks for the what if panels LordUltimus!
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I found Namor while reading back issues of the x-men and avengers, specifically the Maximoff thanksgiving in the scarlet witch and vision mini, then I went on to read his stories first, Namor the first mutant, etc. so when I came to the FF comics I was less than pleased to see Namor, Reed, and Sue since in other comics Namor is really good, in my opinion he works better when he is away from the avengers and the fantastic four. Teams he works best on are defenders, invaders, and the x-men, [B]but he really works best alone in a solo[/B].[/QUOTE]
I agree. I usually enjoy Namor in whatever he is in, but I LOVE Namor in his own solos. There you really get to see him shine and the stories are about him. They are far more consistent with the character. On team books we tend to see only certain aspects that further the team dynamic, or worse, another character, instead of seeing all of Namor's aspects and motivations.
I remember you saying that was your first Namor issue ... and understanding exactly why. Who is this guy who comes to Thanksgiving in a speedo? LOL! I'll have to think on what was my first appearance of Namor. I'm pretty sure it was one of the John Buscema issues.
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114770][B]I love Namor and Doctor Doom so much.[/B] I actually got into Doctor Doom because of Namor. If you want a rec list of all the times they were together in 616 comics here is a link another fan made and gave me permission to put on my fan blog:
[url]https://namorthesubmariner.tumblr.com/post/181438980992/namor-doctor-doom-rec-list[/url]
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That comic you are talking about (doom tooting the horn) happened in SPIDEY SUPER STORIES (1974) #53 which is such a gem. I love it. (I am so sorry for rambling on like that, lol, I really can talk forever about this character cause he is my number one fave)[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you there also. There's something so wonderful about the two rulers together. They aren't friends. They tend to manipulate or see each other for their own uses -- or more precisely for their countries. But they are honest with each other ... generally. And yet, in some moments, you can see there's also an undercurrent of something there. Almost like they understand they share certain elements. I'm not sure that makes either of them entirely happy. Sometimes, especially in the Conway arc in Sub-Mariner, where you can see Doom is actually thinking of someone else's opinion, rather than just his own goals.
I put that Spidey Super Stories issue with the Golden Age stuff. Pure fun comic crack. LOL!
Hmmm. That recomendation list is shorter than I thought it was. But definitely they are all fun to read. Thanks for sharing it!
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4116584]I agree. I usually enjoy Namor in whatever he is in, but I LOVE Namor in his own solos. There you really get to see him shine and the stories are about him. They are far more consistent with the character. On team books we tend to see only certain aspects that further the team dynamic, or worse, another character, instead of seeing all of Namor's aspects and motivations.
I remember you saying that was your first Namor issue ... and understanding exactly why. Who is this guy who comes to Thanksgiving in a speedo? LOL! I'll have to think on what was my first appearance of Namor. I'm pretty sure it was one of the John Buscema issues. [/QUOTE]
I was very into the X-Men as growing up (still am, lol) and Nightcrawler and Quicksilver are my all time favorites. Going back to read older stories as I was getting back into comics in 2014 and that handsome sea prince caught my eye, but it was also more than the speedo [B](though that didn't hurt)[/B] ;) it was 'why the hell was he so mad at Magneto' and 'look how sweet he is with Wanda', and so I went and found the x-men issue when Magneto tries to convince Namor to join him (uncanny x-men #6). I was head over (winged) heels for him at that point. He was so great! Also I would love to hear your first Namor comic!
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4116584]I have to agree with you there also. There's something so wonderful about the two rulers together. They aren't friends. They tend to manipulate or see each other for their own uses -- or more precisely for their countries. But they are honest with each other ... generally. And yet, in some moments, you can see there's also an undercurrent of something there. Almost like they understand they share certain elements. I'm not sure that makes either of them entirely happy. Sometimes, especially in the Conway arc in Sub-Mariner, where you can see Doom is actually thinking of someone else's opinion, rather than just his own goals.
I put that Spidey Super Stories issue with the Golden Age stuff. Pure fun comic crack. LOL!
Hmmm. That recomendation list is shorter than I thought it was. But definitely they are all fun to read. Thanks for sharing it![/QUOTE]
I think the fan who made it only included 616 interactions but I know they have some that are au. Someday I will organize my files/comics and try to make up really good and solid in depth Sub-Mariner recs and Doom and Sib-Mariner recs. *shakes fist at sky* SOMEDAY I SWEAR.
And yeah! I could talk about how both men are outcasts from surface human society and each one tries (in their own way) to do what they think is necessary and right to achieve their goals and plans, Namor has always seen himself as more of a protector and so he doesn't agree with everything Doom does but also he can understand why Doom does it. I think their frank honesty with calling each other out and just the sheer about of ego and melodrama that happens when they are in a room are so entertaining. They can trust each other by knowing they can't trust each other. lol, also I think Namor is the closest to a friend Doom has because he can trust Namor enough to try and work with him. I think Victor hates that because he tries to put himself above needing human connections and so he is unsettled by it.
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I got distracted by the first pages, and added a few LINKS. I'm looking for Namor specific / related fansites. Or his cast and rogues. I found these and added them. A few haven't been updated recently, but they still have cool info. Let me know if there's something else I should add.
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/search?limit=20&content_type=articles&offset=0&query=namor"]Namor Tag Articles @Marvel.com[/URL]
[URL="https://namorthesubmariner.tumblr.com/"]namorthesubmariner @tumblr[/URL] run by our own ImperiusWrecked
[URL="http://the-namor-blog.tumblr.com/"]the-namor-blog @tumblr[/URL]
[URL="http://fuckyeahnamor.tumblr.com/"]f+++yeahnamor @tumblr[/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/ImperiusRexdom?lang=en"]ImperiusRexdom @twitter[/URL] -- run by our own OfAtlantis
[URL="https://www.thenamorpodcast.com/"]The Namor Podcast[/URL]
[URL="http://www.chivian.com/chivian/SubMariner.shtml"]Chivian's Sub-Mariner Page[/URL]
[URL="https://www.facebook.com/groups/814543215237355/"]Wild Bill Everett FB Fan Page[/URL]
[URL="https://www.facebook.com/Bill-Everett-266398518700/"]Bill Everett FB - Blake Bell[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4116763]I got distracted by the first pages, and added a few LINKS. I'm looking for Namor specific / related fansites. Or his cast and rogues. I found these and added them. A few haven't been updated recently, but they still have cool info. Let me know if there's something else I should add.
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/search?limit=20&content_type=articles&offset=0&query=namor"]Namor Tag Articles @Marvel.com[/URL]
[URL="https://namorthesubmariner.tumblr.com/"]namorthesubmariner @tumblr[/URL] run by our own ImperiusWrecked
[URL="http://the-namor-blog.tumblr.com/"]the-namor-blog @tumblr[/URL]
[URL="http://fuckyeahnamor.tumblr.com/"]f+++yeahnamor @tumblr[/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/ImperiusRexdom?lang=en"]ImperiusRexdom @twitter[/URL] -- run by our own OfAtlantis
[URL="https://www.thenamorpodcast.com/"]The Namor Podcast[/URL]
[URL="http://www.chivian.com/chivian/SubMariner.shtml"]Chivian's Sub-Mariner Page[/URL]
[URL="https://www.facebook.com/groups/814543215237355/"]Wild Bill Everett FB Fan Page[/URL]
[URL="https://www.facebook.com/Bill-Everett-266398518700/"]Bill Everett FB - Blake Bell[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oooh thanks! I'm always looking for more namor fan sites!
f***yeahnamor was one I followed on tumblr but they stopped posting a little over a year or two ago? So that was when I started my fan blog.
Also I do have a twitter: subby@imperiuswrecked [URL="https://twitter.com/ImperiusWrecked"]https://twitter.com/ImperiusWrecked[/URL] that is just for Namor stuff, to be honest the only reason i got twitter was to look for Sub-Mariner stuff and keep up with the artists and writers who work on stuff.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4116647]I was very into the X-Men as growing up (still am, lol) and Nightcrawler and Quicksilver are my all time favorites. Going back to read older stories as I was getting back into comics in 2014 and that handsome sea prince caught my eye, but it was also more than the speedo [B](though that didn't hurt)[/B] ;) it was 'why the hell was he so mad at Magneto' and 'look how sweet he is with Wanda', and so I went and found the x-men issue when Magneto tries to convince Namor to join him (uncanny x-men #6). I was head over (winged) heels for him at that point. He was so great! Also I would love to hear your first Namor comic!
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Like many, I'm sure, I got into the X-Men with Uncanny 94 and the new team with Claremont, Cockrum and then Byrne. Not sure I had a favorite, but I was already a Namor fan. I always found Quicksilver and Wanda an interesting read, but then again, I was reading them during the late Silver Age and the Bronze Age. Some great stories then.
That X-Men issue with Magneto trying to recruit Namor was great fun. And Namor definitely was swayed by Wanda and playing the knight errant. Of course, that was a different Magneto then, a before Claremont Magneto. There's something else I wished they addressed in Namor's previous stint as an X-Man. He didn't mention anything about pre-Claremont Magneto kidnapping both Sue AND Lady Dorma and using them to control Namor and the FF and the Atlantean invasion.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4116844]Oooh thanks! I'm always looking for more namor fan sites!
f***yeahnamor was one I followed on tumblr but they stopped posting a little over a year or two ago? So that was when I started my fan blog.
Also I do have a twitter: subby@imperiuswrecked [URL="https://twitter.com/ImperiusWrecked"]https://twitter.com/ImperiusWrecked[/URL] that is just for Namor stuff, to be honest the only reason i got twitter was to look for Sub-Mariner stuff and keep up with the artists and writers who work on stuff.[/QUOTE]
So am I!
Yes, I was sad to see f***yeahnamor had stopped. But I hope they will return. OfAtlantis and ImperiusRexdom seems to have taken a hiatus also.
Great! I'll add your twitter to the list. Thanks!
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4116649]I think the fan who made it only included 616 interactions but I know they have some that are au. Someday I will organize my files/comics and try to make up really good and solid in depth Sub-Mariner recs and Doom and Sib-Mariner recs. *shakes fist at sky* SOMEDAY I SWEAR.
And yeah! I could talk about how both men are outcasts from surface human society and each one tries (in their own way) to do what they think is necessary and right to achieve their goals and plans, Namor has always seen himself as more of a protector and so he doesn't agree with everything Doom does but also he can understand why Doom does it. I think their frank honesty with calling each other out and just the sheer about of ego and melodrama that happens when they are in a room are so entertaining. [B]They can trust each other by knowing they can't trust each other.[/B] lol, also I think Namor is the closest to a friend Doom has because he can trust Namor enough to try and work with him. I think Victor hates that because he tries to put himself above needing human connections and so he is unsettled by it.
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I'll have to think on it. I don't recall many AU interactions -- though they both have many AU characters.
LOL! Good luck with that. The organizing, that it is. I've been trying for years and years! But the recs come from what you read the most ... or like the most.
Good point. They are both outsiders. I think, at least until Hickman, that Namor was portrayed as a ruler with more ... boundaries than Doom. There were lines that he wouldn't cross. And the bolded is exactly right! It's very amusing to watch them navigate that dynamic. That and all the DRAMA!!!
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4117008]I'll have to think on it. I don't recall many AU interactions -- though they both have many AU characters.
LOL! Good luck with that. The organizing, that it is. I've been trying for years and years! But the recs come from what you read the most ... or like the most.
Good point. They are both outsiders. I think, at least until Hickman, that Namor was portrayed as a ruler with more ... boundaries than Doom. There were lines that he wouldn't cross. And the bolded is exactly right! It's very amusing to watch them navigate that dynamic. That and all the DRAMA!!![/QUOTE]
Haha, I'll take all the luck I can get!
Yes, Namor used to have lines that he wouldn't (and still) doesn't cross, but Hickman's Namor... I both like and dislike it. It was to me largely based on what happened with AVX and his personality seemed more like Phoenix Namor's than Classic Namor. He had some good lines and the dynamics were interesting to read but really that old classic Namor that I love isn't there. He was more of an edgelord gloomy Namor. Namor is really noble and Hickman didn't show that nobility there, but I do hope that Chip writes him better in Invaders.
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4114731]Well, I don't think anyone will deny that Namor has a certain arrogance. ;)
In fact, he actually proposed to Sue as soon as he met her, long before Reed did.
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This is such an awesome and rarely mentioned point! Myself being a child in the '60s and young adult in the '70s, I always saw this romantic side of Namor. Of course as 'norms' go, in that time, Namor could be seen as a rogue of some sort. He could be the smoldering guy-candy on the cover of that era of romance novels.
.... but certainly norms, standards etc will change and it is all to easy to see it through a different lens.
While it would be nice if Marvel could do more for just platonic relationships between men and women, Namor and Sue would not be the place to start with.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4114770]The thing that bothers people most is that Namor always gets along better with female characters than he does males, and he is really only Susan's friend, not Reed or Ben or Johnny. IMO he tolerates them because Susan is a good person and he values her and her friendship.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm talking about, though I may see this differently; Namor is always this way, charming and sexy. Comforting and also, unsubtle. Not only do I recall all this with Sue, but to some degree, most of the other women he is associated with - and yeah, also a very salient point, he is Marvel's best example of a man treating a woman this way, getting "along better". Namor is the guy who understands women's emotions, better than most of the men they may "be with".
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[QUOTE=Oberon;4118173]That's what I'm talking about, though I may see this differently; Namor is always this way, charming and sexy. Comforting and also, unsubtle. Not only do I recall all this with Sue, but to some degree, most of the other women he is associated with - and yeah, also a very salient point, he is Marvel's best example of a man treating a woman this way, getting "along better". Namor is the guy who understands women's emotions, better than most of the men they may "be with".[/QUOTE]
Namor is one of the few characters who gets along better than women, respects them more than men, even refusing to work with others who would speak badly to a woman and the main reason why Aaron's Namor sits so ill with me because he writes Namor being disrespectful to she-hulk and carol by dismissing them, and saying things about himself and their features. Namor treats women right (if sometimes he is a bit too forward with his affections) and so Aaron doesn't get that above all he is "no mere gentleman" and I would say being raised by Fen as a single mother helped too. Also I think it has to do with the writer Everett who was from what I could tell from the book fire & water, close to his own mother. SO he may have added those qualities early on in his character?
A fan on tumblr once summed up Namor in a nutshell and it never fails to make me laugh:
[B]namor with women: [/B]my beautiful lady the pleasure is all mine to bask in your beauty that rivals the moonlit sea on a starry night please excuse me if i cant take my eyes off you you are simply the most stunning creature in existence did i mention im a king i could make you my queen ill take you to my underwater palace perhaps we should go there now if you would permit the honor
[B]namor with men:[/B] yO WHAT THE FUCK YOU LOOKIN AT YOU WNAA FUCKING FIGHT M E OR SOMETHING LETS GO?!!?
A fandom friend and I have dubbed him the Undersea Romeo. Remember that time he once scaled a cliff to bring his current lady love a fish and the whole time I was thinking: NAMOR YOU CAN FLY. USE YOUR WINGS. YOU DRAMATIC - (just kidding lol)
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[QUOTE=Oberon;4118152]This is such an awesome and rarely mentioned point! Myself being a child in the '60s and young adult in the '70s, I always saw this romantic side of Namor. Of course as 'norms' go, in that time, Namor could be seen as a rogue of some sort. He could be the smoldering guy-candy on the cover of that era of romance novels.
.... but certainly norms, standards etc will change and it is all to easy to see it through a different lens.
While it would be nice if Marvel could do more for just platonic relationships between men and women, Namor and Sue would not be the place to start with.[/QUOTE]
Yes, well, that point gets in the way of some people's negative perception of Namor. ;)
Romantic, both large and small R, is a large aspect of the character since the beginning. Of course, we don't get to see that in all his guest starring / support showings, which annoys me. Of course, the "norms" of the time should be considered, as I'm discovering in my other Namor project. And yes. LOL! I think there's definitely a perception now of Namor being smoldering eye candy.
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[QUOTE=Oberon;4118173]That's what I'm talking about, though I may see this differently; Namor is always this way, charming and sexy. Comforting and also, unsubtle. Not only do I recall all this with Sue, but to some degree, most of the other women he is associated with - and yeah, also a very salient point, he is Marvel's best example of a man treating a woman this way, getting "along better". Namor is the guy who understands women's emotions, better than most of the men they may "be with".[/QUOTE]
I would say, generally, yes, though some have written him as a clueless also. The other two factors critics usually ignore is that clearly, there's a cultural difference between Atlanteans and the surface world about sex. And, there may be a certain Tudor / Sun King attitude about the Atlantean court, with favorites and such that may effect his perceptions / actions.
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4118374]Namor is one of the few characters who gets along better than women, respects them more than men, even refusing to work with others who would speak badly to a woman and the main reason why Aaron's Namor sits so ill with me because he writes Namor being disrespectful to she-hulk and carol by dismissing them, and saying things about himself and their features. Namor treats women right (if sometimes he is a bit too forward with his affections) and so Aaron doesn't get that above all he is "no mere gentleman" and I would say being raised by Fen as a single mother helped too. Also I think it has to do with the writer Everett who was from what I could tell from the book fire & water, close to his own mother. SO he may have added those qualities early on in his character?
A fan on tumblr once summed up Namor in a nutshell and it never fails to make me laugh:
[B]namor with women: [/B]my beautiful lady the pleasure is all mine to bask in your beauty that rivals the moonlit sea on a starry night please excuse me if i cant take my eyes off you you are simply the most stunning creature in existence did i mention im a king i could make you my queen ill take you to my underwater palace perhaps we should go there now if you would permit the honor
[B]namor with men:[/B] yO WHAT THE FUCK YOU LOOKIN AT YOU WNAA FUCKING FIGHT M E OR SOMETHING LETS GO?!!?[/QUOTE]
LOL! There's no doubt Namor has a different attitude toward men than he does women. And I agree, I think part of it comes from Everett himself, who was basically raised by his mother and sister, IIRC. His dad had job that involved a lot of travel, I think.
The way the character was developed, it makes sense. The male characters in his early life were always treating him badly -- his grandfather, Byrrah, Krang, etc. The female characters were supportive or his friends -- Fen, Dorma, Namora. It was sort of a negative vs positive reinforcement thing. That's one reason why I like Vashti so much. He was like the first male character I recall that seemed to care about Namor. He was like a foster father, or maybe like Namor's Alfred.
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4118374]A fandom friend and I have dubbed him the Undersea Romeo. Remember that time he once scaled a cliff to bring his current lady love a fish and the whole time I was thinking: NAMOR YOU CAN FLY. USE YOUR WINGS. YOU DRAMATIC - (just kidding lol)
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Poor Namor.
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Until a superior relationship can be found for Namor I would rather he play the part of a unrequited suitor of some sort; to Sue, perhaps, or the doomed romance of Dorma or Marrina. Not to say he has this on his non-sleeve, but that these things and this part of him are his basic past, that affects his actions today.
He should never forget his feelings for Betty, Susan, Dorma or any of them. He was maybe kind of sort of on the verge of deeper feelings with Diane, and this would have been classic to his character and the Shakespearian quality of his stories back them Yes, more better Atlantis, please.
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Weren't Namor and Storm in a relationship in that Age of X fake reality? That might be interesting to explore in canon.
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[QUOTE=Oberon;4119689]Until a superior relationship can be found for Namor I would rather he play the part of a unrequited suitor of some sort; to Sue, perhaps, or the doomed romance of Dorma or Marrina. Not to say he has this on his non-sleeve, but that these things and this part of him are his basic past, that affects his actions today.
He should never forget his feelings for Betty, Susan, Dorma or any of them. He was maybe kind of sort of on the verge of deeper feelings with Diane, and this would have been classic to his character and the Shakespearian quality of his stories back them Yes, more better Atlantis, please.[/QUOTE]
Definitely, more Atlantis! And that's one thing I love about Namor, is that he does NOT forget his relationships, even if they've ended.
I don't think Namor will actually find a relationship, until he gets a solo. Though, if we look at his last one, that relationship with Abira didn't last either. :( When he gets used in teams or other books, however, he's being used as third point of a triangle, where he has zero chance at a real relationship, like with Emma or Sue.
I did like Diane Arliss, but she never stood a chance against Lady Dorma. I'm glad she married Walter Newell.
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[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4119703]Weren't Namor and Storm in a relationship in that Age of X fake reality? That might be interesting to explore in canon.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they were married. And then one of the writers had them have the memories erased. I thought that was completely OOC for Namor, a man who has had problems with amnesia, and values his previous relationships, and who likes Storm. There's no way he'd have Emma, of all people, messing around with his memories.
All that said, I'd have to vote a resounding NO, to having that explored. It would just lead to more, Namor is a Black Panther villain stuff. No thanks!
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4119712]Yes, they were married. And then one of the writers had them have the memories erased. I thought that was completely OOC for Namor, a man who has had problems with amnesia, and values his previous relationships, and who likes Storm. There's no way he'd have Emma, of all people, messing around with his memories.
All that said, I'd have to vote a resounding NO, to having that explored. It would just lead to more, [B]Namor is a Black Panther villain stuff. No thanks![/B][/QUOTE]
Which is a shame since Storm and Namor would actually work in story and to move both of them further up the Marvel later.
That BP & Storm marriage screwed up a lot of things.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4119752]Which is a shame since Storm and Namor would actually work in story and to move both of them further up the Marvel later.
That BP & Storm marriage screwed up a lot of things.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think the reaction, both by fans and editorial, screwed up things. Even Black Panther fans eventually ended up unhappy.
I don't know. It's tough for a character outside the X-universe, and there are plenty who considered Namor a non-X-character, even when he was on the team, to deal with a popular X-character like Storm. Heck, even Taylor avoided Namor and Storm interaction in his X-Men Red -- despite Storm using Namor's elements in her attacks.
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4119763]Well, I think the reaction, both by fans and editorial, screwed up things. Even Black Panther fans eventually ended up unhappy.
I don't know. It's tough for a character outside the X-universe, and there are plenty who considered Namor a non-X-character, even when he was on the team, to deal with a popular X-character like Storm. Heck, even Taylor avoided Namor and Storm interaction in his X-Men Red -- despite Storm using Namor's elements in her attacks.[/QUOTE]
Best thing about Namor is that he can move in and out of anywhere in the Marvel universe. He isn't a X-Character, he isn't a Defender, he isn't a Avenger, he isn't a member of the FF, he isn't a hero, and he isn't a villain. Namor is a noble king of 70% of the Earth. Within that he is all those things when he needs to be and none of those things the rest of the time except for a king. That is how Marvel should run him. What everyone else says or does doesn't matter because that fit's the nature of his character.
But yeah Taylor pretty much left Namor out of the book. Not sure why he even asked for him outside of giving Jean a base. However, I'm pretty confident that X-Men Red will be forgotten by the end of the year. That book was pretty bad all things considered.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4119788]Best thing about Namor is that he can move in and out of anywhere in the Marvel universe. He isn't a X-Character, he isn't a Defender, he isn't a Avenger, he isn't a member of the FF, he isn't a hero, and he isn't a villain. Namor is a noble king of 70% of the Earth. Within that he is all those things when he needs to be and none of those things the rest of the time except for a king. That is how Marvel should run him what everyone else says or does doesn't matter because that fit's the nature of his character.
But yeah Taylor pretty much left Namor out of the book. Not sure why he even asked for him outside of giving Jean a base. However, I'm pretty confident that X-Men Red will be forgotten by the end of the year. That book was pretty bad all things considered.[/QUOTE]
I was super excited for X-Men Red and so very disappointed. This was a chance to have Namor interact with a whole group of people some of whom he hadn't ever done more than share panel time with. I was hoping Kurt and Namor would at least speak to each other in German since they both know that language but Taylor really only used Namor because he wanted Atlantis and then when it was the one issue that featured Namor nearly had it destroyed AGAIN. This book was totally Jean's book and everyone else was just her support which is why I prefer Namor not to be on a team book. Also though I do enjoy him for X-Books and being on the X-Men, there just isn't enough time to get to all of the characters and he doesn't really get much out of them.
What Taylor could have done was play on how the Phoenix still affected Namor. It would have given us something and since Jean was the Phoenix too she and him could have made a friendship. I totally agree that even though Namor and Storm could have made a good couple it would only feed into more Namor vs Black Panther stuff, so no thanks for that.
Sadly I think Abira isn't coming back, and the only Atlantean from his old crew (that is still alive and remembered cause Marrina isn't coming back into Namor's story unless a writer remembers they were married once) is Lady Andromeda, who I think they are just friends. I would love it if in a Namor book we could get more Andromeda, she has a good base to work off of, daughter of Attuma, turning her back on her father to be a warrior and serve Atlantis and its ruler. We could use that to have more Namor vs Attuma interactions and do more of the Atlantean court and introduce a new character (or bring back dorma) to serve as a love interest for Namor.
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Hey everyone! I've been out of the loop on CBR for a while now and just catching up. Hope everyone had a spectacular New Year!
I'm glad to see Namor being used by Marvel more often these days. I know it's something we've all be waiting for. Good to see a new thread pop up and an amazing job by Rev (good to see you active again) for their work summarizing some Namor points of interest in the first few pages. Hopefully, we'll be seeing an influx of fans flood in soon!
It seems lately with his appearance in Avengers that Marvel's definitely going the sympathetic villain route with Namor going forward. I've come to terms with it, as I feel the influx of drama regarding climate change in today's society would definitely warrant more action being taken by a Sea King such as Namor. I liked how powerful he seems to be in Avengers, though one thing I did object was how violent he was against Stringray. Luckily, it was revealed he didn't outright kill him. Though it was nice seeing him take on the entire Avengers squad on his own. That's the powerful version of Namor I missed seeing.
As for Defenders, I loved Zdarsky's take on him and every interview I've read where he talks about Namor has him saying all the right things. Looking forward to Invaders! The Defenders series as a whole was a great, underrated mini-series. I haven't been keeping up with comics like I used to, but I can thoroughly say i enjoyed that.
As for X-Men: Red... I found it super disappointing. Found his role terribly minor and honestly, he could've been excluded from the book and it really wouldn't have missed much of a beat at all. I could live with the fact if Namor wasn't involved in the X-verse moving forward. I feel like his time prior to AvX with them was a pinnacle that won't be topped any time soon.
[QUOTE=Reviresco;4116947]So am I!
Yes, I was sad to see f***yeahnamor had stopped. But I hope they will return. OfAtlantis and ImperiusRexdom seems to have taken a hiatus also.
Great! I'll add your twitter to the list. Thanks![/QUOTE]
I can explain that lol. What happened was my new job allowed me less access in front of a desktop computer. I was actually thinking I could hijack a Reddit thread for us at some point so we could freely discuss Namor through mobile quickly an easily. CBR has terrible mobile capabilities, and Twitter is honestly just has a toxic community.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4119788]Best thing about Namor is that he can move in and out of anywhere in the Marvel universe. He isn't a X-Character, he isn't a Defender, he isn't a Avenger, he isn't a member of the FF, he isn't a hero, and he isn't a villain. [B]Namor is a noble king of 70% of the Earth.[/B] Within that he is all those things when he needs to be and none of those things the rest of the time except for a king. That is how Marvel should run him what everyone else says or does doesn't matter because that fit's the nature of his character.[/QUOTE]
I agree, especially with the bolded. However, somehow, editorial has got it into their head that isn't interesting enough to support a solo. Hence all all the teams and above the waves, cannon fodder Atlantean stories. It's ridiculous. Like one of the most popular shows on TV isn't all about an epic fight over the throne of their known world. Like Aquaman isn't making a billion dollars on that premise. And heck, how much is Marvel spending on Conan? Who isn't really connected to any MU team or character -- except maybe Namor! LOL!
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[QUOTE=Of Atlantis;4119865]Hey everyone! I've been out of the loop on CBR for a while now and just catching up. Hope everyone had a spectacular New Year![/QUOTE]
OMG!!! Of Atlantis!!! It's so good to see you! I was just bemoaning your absence a few posts back! Hope everything is going well for you.
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[QUOTE=Of Atlantis;4119865]I'm glad to see Namor being used by Marvel more often these days. I know it's something we've all be waiting for. Good to see a new thread pop up and an amazing job by Rev (good to see you active again) for their work summarizing some Namor points of interest in the first few pages. Hopefully, we'll be seeing an influx of fans flood in soon![/QUOTE]
Yes, the new thread/s were sprung on us without notice on New Years. I basically copied and pasted like heck for a few threads I was interested in, and am trying to update little by little.
Thanks! It was a rough 2018 outside of fandom, and with some of the trolling that was going on at the time, I just had to take a break. Fortunately, Marvel decided to do some stuff with Namor, and it inspired me to return to the FUN side of fandom. :)
[QUOTE=Of Atlantis;4119865]As for X-Men: Red... I found it super disappointing. Found his role terribly minor and honestly, he could've been excluded from the book and it really wouldn't have missed much of a beat at all. I could live with the fact if Namor wasn't involved in the X-verse moving forward. I feel like his time prior to AvX with them was a pinnacle that won't be topped any time soon.[/QUOTE]
I too was disappointed by Namor in X-Men Red. I thought we'd get more sea stuff, because Taylor likes that sort of stuff. I've got his animated series THE DEEP on my DVR, but haven't watched it yet. Instead, we get a very ... neutered Namor, who appears to only be there to support Jean, for Reasons. Oh, and Seabro pun. ouch I get the feeling that Taylor hasn't actually read many Namor stories. But it does appear Namor is being moved away from the X-Office with the Invaders and Aaron's use in Avengers. So, we'll see if he gets any more respect there.
[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4119788]But yeah Taylor pretty much left Namor out of the book. Not sure why he even asked for him outside of giving Jean a base. However, I'm pretty confident that X-Men Red will be forgotten by the end of the year. That book was pretty bad all things considered.[/QUOTE]
X-Men Red did get love -- from Jean fans. LOL! But it's to be expected, I guess. I just thought it was a wasted opportunity.
[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4119855]I was super excited for X-Men Red and so very disappointed. This was a chance to have Namor interact with a whole group of people some of whom he hadn't ever done more than share panel time with. I was hoping Kurt and Namor would at least speak to each other in German since they both know that language but Taylor really only used Namor because he wanted Atlantis and then when it was the one issue that featured Namor nearly had it destroyed AGAIN. This book was totally Jean's book and everyone else was just her support which is why I prefer Namor not to be on a team book. Also though I do enjoy him for X-Books and being on the X-Men, [B]there just isn't enough time to get to all of the characters and he doesn't really get much out of them.
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What Taylor could have done was play on how the Phoenix still affected Namor. It would have given us something and since Jean was the Phoenix too she and him could have made a friendship. I totally agree that even though Namor and Storm could have made a good couple it would only feed into more Namor vs Black Panther stuff, so no thanks for that.[/QUOTE]
That was another complaint about X-Men Red. Sure, the focus is going move from team member to team member -- but WHY the heck would add MORE background team members, when you aren't giving the ones you got any attention? I mean, Gambit?? Storm??? Why are they suddenly appearing. Taylor could have cut that team in half, and done a much better job on the characters, and still made it a Jean book.
And yes, that was again, a total waste of opportunity, between Jean and Namor on the Phoenix possession. I'd have LOVED to see Jean help Namor reconcile and get past the possession, so that we would NEVER MENTION IT AGAIN. That would have been such a great thing to help 'fix' what AvX did to the character. It would have also helped explain why Namor was helping the X-men again, considering what their alliance cost them the last time as far as Atlantis.
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[QUOTE=Of Atlantis;4119865]I can explain that lol. What happened was my new job allowed me less access in front of a desktop computer. I was actually thinking I could hijack a Reddit thread for us at some point so we could freely discuss Namor through mobile quickly an easily. CBR has terrible mobile capabilities, and Twitter is honestly just has a toxic community.[/QUOTE]
A new job sounds good! Congrats! I understand about the computer access at work, though. I also changed positions at work, and my computer time went away back in May.
Don't say that. I've been contemplating getting on Twitter. haha. Haven't tried Reddit or done much with my phone. You'll have to let me know how that works.
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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4119877]OMG!!! Of Atlantis!!! It's so good to see you! I was just bemoaning your absence a few posts back! Hope everything is going well for you.[/QUOTE]
Can't complain! 2018 was rough, but 2019 is looking very bright!
[QUOTE=Reviresco;4119912]A new job sounds good! Congrats! I understand about the computer access at work, though. I also changed positions at work, and my computer time went away back in May.
Don't say that. I've been contemplating getting on Twitter. haha. Haven't tried Reddit or done much with my phone. You'll have to let me know how that works.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! And don't get me wrong, if you follow the right people, Twitter can be extremely enjoyable, but the comic fandom of Twitter in general can be obnoxious. Things become very politicized fast. Tread carefully!
It's so great to see users new and old in this thread! Missed you guys.
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[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4119855]Sadly I think Abira isn't coming back, and the only Atlantean from his old crew (that is still alive and remembered cause Marrina isn't coming back into Namor's story unless a writer remembers they were married once) is Lady Andromeda, who I think they are just friends. I would love it if in a Namor book we could get more Andromeda, she has a good base to work off of, daughter of Attuma, turning her back on her father to be a warrior and serve Atlantis and its ruler. We could use that to have more Namor vs Attuma interactions and do more of the Atlantean court and introduce a new character (or bring back dorma) to serve as a love interest for Namor.[/QUOTE]
I'm holding out for Abira! Not as a love interest, but she really should be on the Defenders of the Deep -- they need a magic user. I don't get the Andromeda love, though Aaron and Hickman obviously like her, but I'll take it. At least she's part of Namor's history, as you said. The Attuma connection could definitely be explored.
You know, if they bring back Lady Dorma, I'd like her to make Namor really work for her affections. She deserves that. ;)