Namor the Sub-Mariner Appreciation 2019

[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;4146147]What is really interesting to me about this War Ghosts storyline is that it's been seeded very devout Namor fans. If you've been gobbling up all his appearances you are getting a complex story about him that's lost on people only checking out Avengers.[/QUOTE]

I don't care for Aaron's characterization or story at all. I follow along just when Namor pops up though.

I feel like I have been waiting years for this, getting into Namor back in 2014, and back into comics after a long absence I started tracking down everything about the Sub-Mariner I could, and I missed out on the last Invaders and thankfully I wasn't following squadron supreme having not known what happened until later or I would have been very cross (I still am! Sentry shouldn't have been able to do that to Namor his skin is super strong and withstood lasers!)

So seeing this unfold is a real treat because its NOT just a what happens next story but Chip is digging back into the past and playing up the relationships between them. It is a very good time to be Namor fan (I hope) cause he is FINALLY getting some well needed solid writing.

Thor-El What an Icon! I love that it moves. I haven't seen that panel around before, do you happen to know which issue it was from?

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4146319]Thor-El What an Icon! I love that it moves. I haven't seen that panel around before, do you happen to know which issue it was from?[/QUOTE]

Sure thing IW. That's from Hulk 10, 11 and 12 from 2009. A story by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness that makes the Defenders pawns in a game between the Grandmaster and the Collector. one of my favorite comics stories ever, mostly for the art since I love McGuinness. The cool thing is the pawns were taken from crucial moments in time, Namor had just witnessed the death of Dorma and was being promised her resurrection if he win the fights. The Collector had Tiger Shark teeth laced with adamantium.

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4146384]Sure thing IW. That's from Hulk 10, 11 and 12 from 2009. A story by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness that makes the Defenders pawns in a game between the Grandmaster and the Collector. one of my favorite comics stories ever, mostly for the art since I love McGuinness. The cool thing is the pawns were taken from crucial moments in time, Namor had just witnessed the death of Dorma and was being promised her resurrection if he win the fights. The Collector had Tiger Shark teeth laced with adamantium.[/QUOTE]

omg thank you! I have to go get this comic!!!

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4146399]omg thank you! I have to go get this comic!!![/QUOTE]

After reading this story I've always wished Ed McGuinness would do a Namor ongoing, or a Defenders revival, to me he does the perfect Namor and Defenders plus I love the way McGuinness orchestrates fights and action. Here's some links to comixology and the three covers.

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[url]https://www.comixology.com/Hulk-2008-2012-10/digital-comic/3240?ref=Y29taWMvdmlldy9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3Qvc2VyaWVz[/url]

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[url]https://www.comixology.com/Hulk-2008-2012-11/digital-comic/3241?ref=Y29taWMvdmlldy9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3Qvc2VyaWVz[/url]

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[url]https://www.comixology.com/Hulk-2008-2012-12/digital-comic/3242?ref=Y29taWMvdmlldy9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3Qvc2VyaWVz[/url]

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4146384]Sure thing IW. That's from Hulk 10, 11 and 12 from 2009. A story by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness that makes the Defenders pawns in a game between the Grandmaster and the Collector. one of my favorite comics stories ever, mostly for the art since I love McGuinness. The cool thing is the pawns were taken from crucial moments in time, Namor had just witnessed the death of Dorma and was being promised her resurrection if he win the fights. The Collector had Tiger Shark teeth laced with adamantium.[/QUOTE]

I love your gif avatar!


[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4146399]omg thank you! I have to go get this comic!!![/QUOTE]

I'm not a huge Jeph Loeb fan, but I will say that he is one of the few writers who remembers Lady Dorma. :)

And yes, McGuiness obviously loves John Buscema Namor.

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4146442]After reading this story I've always wished Ed McGuinness would do a Namor ongoing, or a Defenders revival, to me he does the perfect Namor and Defenders plus I love the way McGuinness orchestrates fights and action. Here's some links to comixology and the three covers.[/QUOTE]

Didn't McGuiness say he's loved to do a Namor ongoing?


Great covers! And the cool thing was McGuiness did opposite teams for those covers as variants.

[img]http://www.marvelnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/hulk_10_coverb.jpg[/img]


[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/6c/Hulk_Vol_2_11_Offenders_Variant_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160129032113[/img]


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[QUOTE=Reviresco;4146482]Didn't McGuiness say he's loved to do a Namor ongoing?


Great covers! And the cool thing was McGuiness did opposite teams for those covers as variants.

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You could tell McGuinness was having fun! Isn't it funny how those two Elders of the Universe in this story ended up in the MCU!

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And McGuinness & Zdarsky on a Namor ongoing would be a dream come true!!!

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4146498]You could tell McGuinness was having fun! Isn't it funny how those two Elders of the Universe in this story ended up in the MCU!

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And McGuinness & Zdarsky on a Namor ongoing would be a dream come true!!![/QUOTE]

:)

I'm definitely keeping my fingers crossed for a Namor ongoing and that is definitely a team I could get behind.

Cool painting! I love the Kirby art / machine in the background.

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4146498]You could tell McGuinness was having fun! Isn't it funny how those two Elders of the Universe in this story ended up in the MCU!


And McGuinness & Zdarsky on a Namor ongoing would be a dream come true!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reviresco;4146510]:)

I'm definitely keeping my fingers crossed for a Namor ongoing and that is definitely a team I could get behind.

Cool painting! I love the Kirby art / machine in the background.[/QUOTE]

I can get behind that team too, the art looks great and so far Chip is doing great with Namor. :D

I'd like to see a Namor book that alternates between Tomm Coker and Dustin Weaver.

Weaver could do epic stories that focus more on Atlantis and showing off larger scale "widescreen" style battles and Coker could do more Namor centric stories that are more gritty or explore Namor psychologically.

[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;4146656]I'd like to see a Namor book that alternates between Tomm Coker and Dustin Weaver.

Weaver could do epic stories that focus more on Atlantis and showing off larger scale "widescreen" style battles and Coker could do more Namor centric stories that are more gritty or explore Namor psychologically.[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to think if we've seen a Dustin Weaver Namor. I do like Weaver's art. And I thought Coker was perfect for a period piece with Namor. Now, I'm wondering about what those gritty stories would be like.

Anyone familiar with this comic? Its now in my Want List but Comixology doesn't has it. this is the second What If volume from 1989. Art is by Ron Wilson who I always liked. You know it has to be good if Hobo Namor was part of that original avengers lineup.

[IMG]https://files1.comics.org//img/gcd/covers_by_id/30/w400/30652.jpg?2331347063161525466[/IMG]

Well, found it online and I'd give it a "C" grade, for those wanting to check it out it is on Issuu which is a reliable safe website that samples magazines.

[url]https://issuu.com/planetejoabn/docs/what_if_v2_029_..captain_america_ha[/url]

Dunno if anyone here cares, but the next Death Battle is going to be Namor vs Aquaman.
[video=youtube_share;ZxNxh0viV9s]https://youtu.be/ZxNxh0viV9s[/video]

[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4147356]Dunno if anyone here cares, but the next Death Battle is going to be Namor vs Aquaman.[/QUOTE]

Sigh. Again? Hasn't this been done to death yet? I already know that somehow they will favor aquaman or make it so aquaman wins cause it's what happens in most of these things.

I’d really love to see a Namor ongoing from Robert Venditti and Lee Garbett or Doug Braithwaite as the creative team. Their Valiant work is beyond phenomenal.

[B]Reviresco[/B]'s post today about Namor ripping off his clothes reminded me of this edit I made, lol:

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/7da355333dd4639e2bfbd58a88444916/tumblr_inline_pe53gvhWGd1ugaw5b_1280.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Shadowcat;4148223]I’d really love to see a Namor ongoing from Robert Venditti and Lee Garbett or Doug Braithwaite as the creative team. Their Valiant work is beyond phenomenal.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the thread, Shadowcat!

I don't think I've seen Doug Braithwaite do a Namor ... but I do like his art -- his Loki stuff was so good! Lee Garbett did Namor, and an amazing double headed Tiger Shark, in Fear Itself the Deep. In fact, Garbett gave great advice about doing an underwater book. Something like, "Be very careful about placement of air bubbles near character's butts." LOL!

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4148249][B]Reviresco[/B]'s post today about Namor ripping off his clothes reminded me of this edit I made, lol:

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/7da355333dd4639e2bfbd58a88444916/tumblr_inline_pe53gvhWGd1ugaw5b_1280.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


LOL! I love it! Like I said, the best thing about Namor wearing clothes, is the ripping off of the clothes. ;p

[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4147356]Dunno if anyone here cares, but the next Death Battle is going to be Namor vs Aquaman.
[video=youtube_share;ZxNxh0viV9s]https://youtu.be/ZxNxh0viV9s[/video][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4148051]Sigh. Again? Hasn't this been done to death yet? I already know that somehow they will favor aquaman or make it so aquaman wins cause it's what happens in most of these things.[/QUOTE]

I don't usually follow the rumbles, but I'll try to check that out. Though, like ImperiusWrecked, I can predict who will probably win. ;p The exposure could be a good thing. Maybe. I'm always amazed at how little people know about Namor.

Thanks for posting the link!

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4147203]Anyone familiar with this comic? Its now in my Want List but Comixology doesn't has it. this is the second What If volume from 1989. Art is by Ron Wilson who I always liked. You know it has to be good if Hobo Namor was part of that original avengers lineup.

[IMG]http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/607/45984_20140117180245_large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4147221]Well, found it online and I'd give it a "C" grade, for those wanting to check it out it is on Issuu which is a reliable safe website that samples magazines.

[url]https://issuu.com/planetejoabn/docs/what_if_v2_029_..captain_america_ha[/url][/QUOTE]

I always liked What If? I don't think I read that one, though. I'm not really feeling that unkempt look for Namor. Thanks for the link!

Just read it ... what happened to Namor? He was there on the next to the last page, and then in the final fight he's not there! And worse, he's gets excluded from the statue! :mad:

Also, Iron Man / Punisher. Heh

[QUOTE=Reviresco;4148280]Welcome to the thread, Shadowcat!

I don't think I've seen Doug Braithwaite do a Namor ... but I do like his art -- his Loki stuff was so good! Lee Garbett did Namor, and an amazing double headed Tiger Shark, in Fear Itself the Deep. In fact, Garbett gave great advice about doing an underwater book. Something like, "Be very careful about placement of air bubbles near character's butts." LOL![/QUOTE]
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Lol! Braithwaite’s Namor is majestic.

That is a gorgeous piece!

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Lol! Braithwaite’s Namor is majestic.[/QUOTE]

Oh that's gorgeous. The detail is amazing.

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Lol! Braithwaite’s Namor is majestic.[/QUOTE]

This is so beautiful! I hope if Namor does get a series then we have someone this talented on art.

I would love a Namor ongoing. One in which Atlantis doesn't get destroyed for a change. Also: Attuma. I know he's redundant as a Namor foe, but, there's just something about seeing these two battle one another that always excites me. Kinda like a Hulk vs. Thing deal, for those that know what I mean.

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[QUOTE=nj06;4149563]I would love a Namor ongoing. One in which Atlantis doesn't get destroyed for a change. Also: Attuma. I know he's redundant as a Namor foe, but, there's just something about seeing these two battle one another that always excites me. Kinda like a Hulk vs. Thing deal, for those that know what I mean.

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Oh, agree 100%. I like Tiger shark too but Attuma is Namor's definite main villain. Just like Loki is Thor's.

For those fans of the 60's cartoon like me, this is an interesting article about the creator of the theme songs for those shows, very interesting history.
[IMG]http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/images/marvelsuperheroes.jpg[/IMG]

[url]http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2015/071415.html?isArchive=071415[/url]

And the video where he discusses the creation of each song and sings them himself. [url]https://youtu.be/iJcJbLE6gks[/url]

It was a real threat for me listening at this guy and getting background information about these shows.

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4150009]For those fans of the 60's cartoon like me, this is an interesting article about the creator of the theme songs for those shows, very interesting history.
[IMG]http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/images/marvelsuperheroes.jpg[/IMG]

[url]http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2015/071415.html?isArchive=071415[/url]

And the video where he discusses the creation of each song and sings them himself. [url]https://youtu.be/iJcJbLE6gks[/url]

It was a real threat for me listening at this guy and getting background information about these shows.[/QUOTE]

Oh my goodness! This is an absolute TREAT! I LOVE the old Sub-Mariner cartoon and all the others but really I had no clue that this was the man who made them, I always assumed it was a studio thing. Thank you!

lol, he had a chance to be dramatic with Namor and that is so true XD

I will never forget the time Steve made a suit for Namor and thus Captain Atlantis was born! From marvel team up 1997 #9:

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/b3f08f326bacdbb14acd1f22d4869c84/tumblr_pf52mhcqTt1ugaw5b_1280.jpg[/img]

I have seen all the suits Namor has worn over the years and I always say you can't improve on the classic green speedo. lol

Namor actually made a brief (and I mean brief) appearance in Thor (2018) #1

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[QUOTE=Johnny Peril;4152008]Namor actually made a brief (and I mean brief) appearance in Thor (2018) #1

[IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/9k8kmt.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

So Thor never studied Latin?

[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4152050]So Thor never studied Latin?[/QUOTE]


don't he have allspeak?

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4151983]I will never forget the time Steve made a suit for Namor and thus Captain Atlantis was born! From marvel team up 1997 #9:

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/b3f08f326bacdbb14acd1f22d4869c84/tumblr_pf52mhcqTt1ugaw5b_1280.jpg[/img]

I have seen all the suits Namor has worn over the years and I always say you can't improve on the classic green speedo. lol[/QUOTE]

LOL, Steve is such a little sh*t. I love it when writers remember that side of him *side-eye-ing you, Rick Remember*.

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I have to say it....I hate everything about this costume.Lol

It's soooo bad lol

[QUOTE=ImperiusWrecked;4151983]I will never forget the time Steve made a suit for Namor and thus Captain Atlantis was born! From marvel team up 1997 #9:

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/b3f08f326bacdbb14acd1f22d4869c84/tumblr_pf52mhcqTt1ugaw5b_1280.jpg[/img]

I have seen all the suits Namor has worn over the years and I always say you can't improve on the classic green speedo. lol[/QUOTE]

Well trying to find something good to say about it, I like that the pants have the color and texture of the iconic trunks and how the shirt cuts at the forearms, but the honest truth is that it sucks! :)

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4153352]Well trying to find something good to say about it, I like that the pants have the color and texture of the iconic trunks and how the shirt cuts at the forearms, but the honest truth is that it sucks! :)[/QUOTE]

I absolutely need to read this issue. Just gotta. I can't for the life of me figure out why Namor would even [I]trust[/I] Steve to dress him when he knew full well that Steve's other attempt at fashion design was the Nomad costume, lol.

[QUOTE=capandkirby;4153365]I absolutely need to read this issue. Just gotta. I can't for the life of me figure out why Namor would even [I]trust[/I] Steve to dress him when he knew full well that Steve's other attempt at fashion design was the Nomad costume, lol.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor-El;4153352]Well trying to find something good to say about it, I like that the pants have the color and texture of the iconic trunks and how the shirt cuts at the forearms, but the honest truth is that it sucks! :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4153232]I have to say it....I hate everything about this costume.Lol

It's soooo bad lol[/QUOTE]

It's so bad that I would prefer the armpit wings over this any day! XD Sorry Steve, you may be a good artist but your taste in fashion is very questionable. lol

Talking about Namor costumes and the Invaders cover for issue #4 drops with an image like this:
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INVADERS #4
CHIP ZDARSKY (W) • CARLOS MAGNO with BUTCH GUICE (A)
Cover by BUTCH GUICE
• Everything you know about the KING OF ATLANTIS is WRONG!
• This issue: THE SECRET HISTORY OF NAMOR!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99